My search turned up a
Google Books resullt for a book about Nostradamus and Branham, God's >something-or-other.
On Quora, sometimes people ask really stupid questions.
One person asked: What would you like to hear about Germany's
invasioin of China in the future?
Initially, I responded with the snarky comment... a sequel to the
Perry Rhodan novel in which it happened.
But then I searched, and found that in 1898, Germany did, like many
other nations, invade China and get a concession from it. Around
Qingdao IIRC.
But then, I thought, maybe Nostradamus predicted that Germany would
invade China, and that's what thuis was about. My search turned up a
Google Books resullt for a book about Nostradamus and Branham, God's >something-or-other.
I did further searching. William Branham was a preacher. Did he have >propecies? Yes he did; he had a series of seven visions.
I don't know quite how popular they are among Fundamentalists today.
The first couple were about World War II, and they were fulfilled.
Presumably it was _after_ that when he revealed his visions publicly,
the cynic in me says.
Vision 3: Communism is more important than those little guys Fascism
and Nazism.
Vision 4: Bubble-dome cars that drive themselves.
Vision 5: Women will not wear enough clothes, and not stay where they
belong under the authority of men.
Vision 6: A cruel woman will rule the United States.
Vision 7: The U.S. will be devastated from one end to the other.
So there you have it: thanks to Donald Trump defeating Hillary
Clinton, the end of the world, or even just World War III, can't
happen yet!
At least, that's what those who believe these visions may think.
Another source for extreme right-wing thinking.
On Quora, sometimes people ask really stupid questions.
One person asked: What would you like to hear about Germany's invasioin
of China in the future?
Initially, I responded with the snarky comment... a sequel to the Perry Rhodan novel in which it happened.
But then I searched, and found that in 1898, Germany did, like many
other nations, invade China and get a concession from it. Around Qingdao IIRC.
But then, I thought, maybe Nostradamus predicted that Germany would
invade China, and that's what thuis was about. My search turned up a
Google Books resullt for a book about Nostradamus and Branham, God's something-or-other.
I did further searching. William Branham was a preacher. Did he have propecies? Yes he did; he had a series of seven visions.
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:37:03 -0600, John Savard ><[email protected]d> wrote:
At least, that's what those who believe these visions may think.
Another source for extreme right-wing thinking.
Well, maybe, if this guy actually /has/ any followers nowadays.
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:37:03 -0600, John Savard wrote:
I did further searching. William Branham was a preacher. Did he have
propecies? Yes he did; he had a series of seven visions.
Searching the extremely long Wikipedia article on Branham doesn't
turn up any reference to these prophecies.
Although I am inclined to be skeptical of the claims even on that page
that actual supernatural events took place in the Hebrides.
Oh, and I just found this...
https://www.godreports.com/2020/05/trump-revival-bible-is-fake-news-but-hebrides-revival-was-real/
after seeing on YouTube the video to which it referred.
Pity, it would have been nice if one of Donald Trump's many Bibles had
some connection to some real history.
Although I am inclined to be skeptical of the claims even on that page
that actual supernatural events took place in the Hebrides.
Also, I was able to see - by looking at a video on the site for Lee >Greenwood's God Bless the USA Bible - which Donald Trump has merely
endorsed - that the Bible is a plain KJV Bible, without notes or >cross-references.
They don't mention this in the FAQ for the Bible. They do link to a
video, with which they have no connection, which demonstrates what to
do with a Bible with gilt edges so that the pages can be easily opened
(the demonstration is even done on a *Roman Catholic* Bible!).
Stephen Colbert had some fun with the title of _that_ entry in the FAQ
for that Bible, but no, the pages weren't going to be sticky for
_that_ reason.
There are Bibles with cross-references and notes that have fallen into
the public domain, but I suppose for any particular one of those, it
would take some checking to find one that was widely acceptable as
opposed to being of interest only to those in a limited set of
denominations.
Having been given, by the Gideons, while in Junior High, a little red
New Testament which had the national anthem - and even The Maple Leaf
Forever (!) - in the back, I'm not sure if having the Constitution
and the Declaration of Independence in the back of the volume is
really all _that_ controversial.
However, they did say that it contained "the Constitution and the Bill
of Rights". The Bill of Rights happens to be the first ten amendments
to the Constitution. I *hope* this doesn't mean that they omitted all
_later_ amendments to the Constitution, finding, say, the 13th and
14th amendments too controversial or something.
Incidentally, I found the country singer's name to be slightly--
confusing. But I'm pretty sure that Lee Hazlewood never arranged for
the publication of a Bible of his own.
John Savard <[email protected]d> wrote:
Although I am inclined to be skeptical of the claims even on that page
that actual supernatural events took place in the Hebrides.
It has been known to happen. I even heard a rumor once that a Scotsman >offered to pick up the check.
I did further searching. William Branham was a preacher. Did he have >propecies? Yes he did; he had a series of seven visions.
I don't know quite how popular they are among Fundamentalists today.
The first couple were about World War II, and they were fulfilled.
Presumably it was _after_ that when he revealed his visions publicly,
the cynic in me says.
Vision 3: Communism is more important than those little guys Fascism
and Nazism.
Vision 4: Bubble-dome cars that drive themselves.
Vision 5: Women will not wear enough clothes, and not stay where they
belong under the authority of men.
Vision 6: A cruel woman will rule the United States.
Vision 7: The U.S. will be devastated from one end to the other.
So there you have it: thanks to Donald Trump defeating Hillary
Clinton, the end of the world, or even just World War III, can't
happen yet!
Thus illustrating that some people who are "non-creedal" have no
problem making up creeds of their own. With a very dubious theology.
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:37:03 -0600, John Savard ><[email protected]d> wrote:
I did further searching. William Branham was a preacher. Did he have >>propecies? Yes he did; he had a series of seven visions.
I don't know quite how popular they are among Fundamentalists today.
The first couple were about World War II, and they were fulfilled. >>Presumably it was _after_ that when he revealed his visions publicly,
the cynic in me says.
Vision 3: Communism is more important than those little guys Fascism
and Nazism.
Certainly would have been obvious after 1945!
Vision 4: Bubble-dome cars that drive themselves.
Vision 5: Women will not wear enough clothes, and not stay where they >>belong under the authority of men.
Certainly by the mid-1960s though to be sure many men would have
considered that a good thing!
Vision 6: A cruel woman will rule the United States.
Inevitable eventually and not necessarily a bad thing.
As for 'cruelty' many would argue several male presidents were cruel
yet served their terms honorably. For me Coolidge and Truman come to
mind here - but that's opinion and certainly not something a 100%
objective view is possible on.
Vision 7: The U.S. will be devastated from one end to the other.
In what respect? Physically as in the classic "let's push all those
buttons then see what we have to go home to?" or "economically
clobbered" as was the US banking system in 2008 (which has led to
Canada's two largest banks - the Royal and Toronto-Dominion - now both
having more US branches than Canadian since they had several billion
in cash reserves in 2008 when quite a few US banks were "distressed"
and used those reserves to expand to the US)
So there you have it: thanks to Donald Trump defeating Hillary
Clinton, the end of the world, or even just World War III, can't
happen yet!
I grew up in the sort of religious background where while we
definitely believed in prophesies the only ones we took seriously were
those in the Bible though we were aware of several "prophets" (which
were regarded as fakery and on the side of "Our Father Below" as CS
Lewis put it in his great parody / religious text The Screwtape
Letters). As such Branham (along with Jeane Dixon) was one of those I
knew about.
(Though we definitely were taught that a very few children alive at
the time of the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 would still
be alive at the second coming of Jesus Christ - meaning i was a few
years too young to be part of that...)
Somehow the mind strains thinking of Donald Trump as the "agent of
God"! (perhaps an agent for the other side but God's side?!?)
On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 11:04:26 -0700, The Horny Goat <[email protected]>
wrote:
That's the problem with monotheism: there is no "other side", at
least, no "other side" equal to the one deity[1].
[1] Anyone nattering on about the Trinity will be reminded that it is
One God in Three Persons. Tritheism is one of the historical heresies.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 11:04:26 -0700, The Horny Goat <[email protected]>
wrote:
That's the problem with monotheism: there is no "other side", at
least, no "other side" equal to the one deity[1].
[1] Anyone nattering on about the Trinity will be reminded that it is
One God in Three Persons. Tritheism is one of the historical heresies.
Which is a heresy depends completely upon which side one is on.
OBSF: Merlin comments on this during his travels while
Arthur being raised by his childhood nurse in
_The Hollow Hills_.
Dualism exists in most religions - in christianity, it
is god vs. the devil.
Even christianity accepts the existence of other gods, they're
just lesser gods (see first commandment).
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 17:01:13 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 11:04:26 -0700, The Horny Goat <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
That's the problem with monotheism: there is no "other side", at
least, no "other side" equal to the one deity[1].
[1] Anyone nattering on about the Trinity will be reminded that it is
One God in Three Persons. Tritheism is one of the historical heresies.
Which is a heresy depends completely upon which side one is on.
Not in the context of Christianity.
Any definition of "heresy" in the
context of Christianity must include the heresies condemned by the
early Church councils.
A
better approach is that in the song "A Hundred Million Miracles" from
/Flower Drum Song/.
Was the theory /really/ that those born after 1948 would all die
first? Leaving only those born before 1948 alive at the second coming?
Or did something get muddled somewhere?
(Though we definitely were taught that a very few children alive at
the time of the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 would still
be alive at the second coming of Jesus Christ - meaning i was a few
years too young to be part of that...)
Is Scofield in public domain? That was widely accepted in the relevant >quarters. It was also a KJV.
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 08:54:35 -0700, Paul S Person ><[email protected]d> wrote:
Was the theory /really/ that those born after 1948 would all die
first? Leaving only those born before 1948 alive at the second coming?
Or did something get muddled somewhere?
It was only about who wouldn't die, not about who would die.
Verily, I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass away until
all be fulfilled.
On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 08:53:39 -0700, Paul S Person ><[email protected]d> wrote:
A
better approach is that in the song "A Hundred Million Miracles" from >>/Flower Drum Song/.
Without looking up the song, I am going to assume from context that
you mean: instead of only thinking of miracles as things that aren't
supposed to happen, according to science, the things that do happen
every day around us are often so wonderful that they deserve to be
thought of as miracles - and, hence, evidence for God - even though we
just take them for granted.
On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 11:04:26 -0700, The Horny Goat <[email protected]>
wrote:
(Though we definitely were taught that a very few children alive at
the time of the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 would still
be alive at the second coming of Jesus Christ - meaning i was a few
years too young to be part of that...)
This is definitely heretical!
Any unbiased reading of God's Holy Word, the Bible, will make it clear
and plain that what it says is that some children alive *at the time
of the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD* will still be alive at the
second coming of Jesus Christ!
This is absolutely obvious, it is completely beyond any denial... and,
of course, what it proves about the Bible creates a problem for
Christianity.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 17:01:13 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 11:04:26 -0700, The Horny Goat <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
That's the problem with monotheism: there is no "other side", at
least, no "other side" equal to the one deity[1].
[1] Anyone nattering on about the Trinity will be reminded that it is >>>>One God in Three Persons. Tritheism is one of the historical heresies.
Which is a heresy depends completely upon which side one is on.
Not in the context of Christianity.
Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic? Protestant?
IIRC, Eastern orthodox and Roman Catholic disagree on this
point specifically.
Any definition of "heresy" in the
context of Christianity must include the heresies condemned by the
early Church councils.
In other words, the Roman Catholic interpretation of
christianity.
On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 08:47:20 -0700, Paul S Person ><[email protected]d> wrote:
Is Scofield in public domain? That was widely accepted in the relevant >>quarters. It was also a KJV.
It was originally published in 1917, so, yes, it's in the public
domain at least in the United States. Despite that, at first when I
went looking for a copy online, I could only find the original 1901
editioin, but a while later the 1917 editioin also appeared.
While the Scofield Reference Bible _is_ very popular among
Fundamentalists these days, though, it's a controversial versioin, as
it's based on the viewpoint of "dispensationalism". This view of the
Bible takes the common idea that there are some things in the Old
Testament that seem to contradict the New Testament, but these are
laws God gave to different people in different circumstances, and
extends the principle to eliminate all the contradictions in the Bible
by dividing it up ito seven (or is it eight?) dispensations.
So, for example, in addition to Old Testament times and New Testament
times, there's God's Law as it was iln the Garden of Eden, and God's
Law after the end of the world.
On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 12:46:13 -0600, John Savard ><[email protected]d> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 08:54:35 -0700, Paul S Person >><[email protected]d> wrote:
Was the theory /really/ that those born after 1948 would all die
first? Leaving only those born before 1948 alive at the second coming?
Or did something get muddled somewhere?
It was only about who wouldn't die, not about who would die.
Verily, I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass away until
all be fulfilled.
That's not what was being discussed.
It was specific to the founding of the State of Israel.
Thus, while I'd reject a Scofield Reference Bible as something to
recommend, considering it to be excessively sectarian, what I was
thinking was something like, say, John Canne's marginal references.
It has been known to happen. I even heard a rumor once that a Scotsman >>offered to pick up the check.
Clearly not a true Scotsman.
On Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:52:52 -0700, Paul S Person ><[email protected]d> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 12:46:13 -0600, John Savard >><[email protected]d> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 08:54:35 -0700, Paul S Person >>><[email protected]d> wrote:
Was the theory /really/ that those born after 1948 would all die
first? Leaving only those born before 1948 alive at the second coming? >>>>Or did something get muddled somewhere?
It was only about who wouldn't die, not about who would die.
Verily, I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass away until >>>all be fulfilled.
That's not what was being discussed.
It was specific to the founding of the State of Israel.
I was taught that as a child. Obviously there are a few such people
left.
(Though we definitely were taught that a very few children alive at
the time of the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 would still
be alive at the second coming of Jesus Christ - meaning i was a few
years too young to be part of that...)
My question was why you would not still be alive at the second coming
because you were born after the foundation of the state of Israel? Of
course, you might or might not, depending on how things go, but what
made it certain that someone older than you would be alive then but
you would not (well, until you were resurrected, of course)?
On Quora, sometimes people ask really stupid questions.
One person asked: What would you like to hear about Germany's
invasioin of China in the future?
Initially, I responded with the snarky comment... a sequel to the
Perry Rhodan novel in which it happened.
But then I searched, and found that in 1898, Germany did, like many
other nations, invade China and get a concession from it. Around
Qingdao IIRC.
But then, I thought, maybe Nostradamus predicted that Germany would
invade China, and that's what thuis was about. My search turned up a
Google Books resullt for a book about Nostradamus and Branham, God's something-or-other.
I did further searching. William Branham was a preacher. Did he have propecies? Yes he did; he had a series of seven visions.
I have the ability to determine the special abilities of others
(email me a picture of yourself if you want me to determine
yours, and/or do a matchmaking reading).
Among abilities I have considered are:
1. waking precog, up to 1 year in the future,
2. waking backcog, up to 1 year in the past,
3. prophetic dreams ability, from 1 year in the future onward,
4. backward dreams ability, from 1 year in the past backward.
David Dalton wrote:
[...]
Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
killfiled.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:33:04 -0400, JTEM<[email protected]> wrote:
David Dalton wrote:
[...]
Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
killfiled.
But ... but ... but ...
his blatherings are so /entertaining/!
Each post a new amusement!
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:33:04 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]> wrote:
David Dalton wrote:
[...]
Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
killfiled.
But ... but ... but ...
his blatherings are so /entertaining/!
On 4/9/2024 8:30 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:33:04 -0400, JTEM<[email protected]> wrote:
David Dalton wrote:
[...]
Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
killfiled.
But ... but ... but ...
his blatherings are so /entertaining/!
No, they aren’t.
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