• (Tears) Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 24 12:46:45 2024
    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged
    to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references
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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sun Mar 24 09:53:38 2024
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged
    to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you
    have read?

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. �-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward [email protected]

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 24 17:08:14 2024
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged
    to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you
    have read?

    Probably a Brian Herbert novel.
    --
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Sun Mar 24 17:40:45 2024
    In article <utpnk5$ftng$[email protected]>,
    Michael F. Stemper <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 24/03/2024 12.08, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged >>>> to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references >>>
    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>> have read?

    Probably a Brian Herbert novel.

    That's who immediately came to my mind. It's not really fair in my case, >since, as far as I know, he's the only son of a famous author that I've
    read.

    <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27552>

    There's Joe Hill but I've not read him. Heard good things about his
    books, though.

    I like Rothman's The World is Round.
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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 24 17:41:56 2024
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you
    have read?

    Alexey Tolstoy doesn't count since even though he claimed to be the son of
    the Count, he probably wasn't. And Pliny the Younger turns out only to be
    the nephew of Pliny the Elder, not the son.

    Dorothy Parker writes:
    "Oh, I have worked and seldom cease
    At Dumas pere and Dumas fils
    Alas, I cannot make me care
    For Dumas fils and Dumas pere."

    which my father would recite when I was a kid using "Pernod fils and Pernod pere." But personally I liked the son's work.

    I never read anything by Charles Dickens Jr. and Victor Appleton Jr. was
    likely the same team of ghostwriters as his father.

    What about Martin Amis's work?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 24 17:28:12 2024
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you
    have read?

    Are Dune novels off the table for this one?
    --scott

    --
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Mar 24 17:41:41 2024
    In article <utpnrc$3ah$[email protected]>,
    Scott Dorsey <[email protected]> wrote:
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>have read?

    Are Dune novels off the table for this one?

    My 10th anniversary of the last fuck awful Dune book I'd ever have to read
    went by in March, I think.
    --
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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Mar 24 15:56:24 2024
    On 3/24/2024 1:41 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you
    have read?

    Alexey Tolstoy doesn't count since even though he claimed to be the son of the Count, he probably wasn't. [snip]

    I don't think it matters whether Alexey Tolstoy was Count Nikolai
    Tolstoy's biological father. Nikolai didn't write fiction.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 25 00:21:22 2024
    In article <utq0h8$i17q$[email protected]>,
    Ahasuerus <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 1:41 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>> have read?

    Alexey Tolstoy doesn't count since even though he claimed to be the son of >> the Count, he probably wasn't. [snip]

    I don't think it matters whether Alexey Tolstoy was Count Nikolai
    Tolstoy's biological father. Nikolai didn't write fiction.

    So many counts, so little time!
    --scott
    --
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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 25 06:59:13 2024
    The LORD is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
    He makes me to lie down in green pastures: He leads me beside the
    still waters.
    He restores my soul: He leads me in the paths of righteousness for His
    Name's sake.
    Yes, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death

    I will fear no evil,

    for You are with me.
    Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
    You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies:
    You anoint my head with oil; my cup runs over.
    Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
    And I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

    Few novels have sources of inspiration that are quite so obvious.

    The character walks though the valley of the shadow of death, and yet
    comes out of it alive, but in a body with the wrong sex.

    Ah, well; Heinlein is a good place to take inspiration from.

    John Savard

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to Nicoll on Mon Mar 25 08:00:34 2024
    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:46:45 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged
    to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar >adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references

    Also, Amazon.ca did indeed try to spell check Justin Lieber to Justin
    Bieber. But it's easy to get past that.

    However, the results for the right name didn't include this book, even
    though the entry for it

    https://www.amazon.ca/Beyond-Rejection-Justin-Leiber/dp/B000FMIA7S/

    did have the right author's name.

    John Savard

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Mar 25 10:18:38 2024
    In article <utpmlu$t1p$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged
    to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >have read?

    Probably a Brian Herbert novel.

    I haven't read any of the Pern continuations written by McCaffery's son
    Todd. I have wondered how good/bad they are.

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. �-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward [email protected]

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 25 17:24:24 2024
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <utpmlu$t1p$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged
    to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references >> >
    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you
    have read?

    Probably a Brian Herbert novel.

    I haven't read any of the Pern continuations written by McCaffery's son
    Todd. I have wondered how good/bad they are.

    No more unreadable than any late McCaffrey but also not any more readable.

    --
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 25 20:15:22 2024
    In article <utsll6$19kqc$[email protected]>,
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 1:41 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <utpnrc$3ah$[email protected]>,
    Scott Dorsey <[email protected]> wrote:
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>>> have read?

    Are Dune novels off the table for this one?

    My 10th anniversary of the last fuck awful Dune book I'd ever have to read >> went by in March, I think.

    You're the skipping 'Heroes of Dune' tetrology, by Brian Herbert and
    Kevin J. Anderson? Book 3, "Princess of Dune", came out last October,
    and you have at least one more dose of duney Duness on the way.

    Nobody is paying me to read them so I won't. I might turn down the
    money if offered.

    --
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 26 01:54:15 2024
    In article <utsuim$1bofd$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 11:53 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged
    to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references

    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you
    have read?

    I enjoyed the Heinlein book that Spider Robinson finished, "Variable Star".
    https://www.amazon.com/Variable-Star-Tor-Science-Fiction/dp/0765351684/


    Interesting! Somehow I never heard of that. I'll put it on the wish list.
    --
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    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 26 05:22:26 2024
    In article <uttkh9$1k8de$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/25/2024 8:54 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <utsuim$1bofd$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 11:53 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged >>>>> to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references >>>>
    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>>> have read?

    I enjoyed the Heinlein book that Spider Robinson finished, "Variable Star". >>> https://www.amazon.com/Variable-Star-Tor-Science-Fiction/dp/0765351684/


    Interesting! Somehow I never heard of that. I'll put it on the wish list.

    There were two books found after Heinlein's death. The first was
    "Variable Star" which was unfinished, an early work, and Spider Robinson >finished it. It was published in 2006 I think.

    The other book is "The Pursuit of the Pankera: A Parallel Novel About >Parallel Universes" which was completed before "The Number Of The Beast"
    and put into Heinlein's things for some reason. It was found and
    published in 2019. I have bought it but not read it yet as I am
    thinking about how reread the books starting with "I Will Fear No Evil".
    I read "The Number Of The Beast" back in 1983 or 1985.

    https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Pankera-Parallel-Novel-Universes/dp/1647100291/ >and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Number_of_the_Beast_(novel)

    Lynn

    *That* one I read:

    ====
    The Pursuit of the Pankera: A Parallel Novel About Parallel Universes
    by Robert A. Heinlein
    https://amzn.to/2WCNafL

    I read _The Number of the Beast_ back in the day. Honestly I don't
    recall it all that well, but I know I found it underwhelming, with
    some good parts, and then a lot of bickering about "lifeboat rules"
    and "white mutinies" followed by an ending that didn't really address
    the threat that was the impetus to the plot.

    For some reason, while he was writing TNOTB, Heinlein was also
    writing _The Pursuit of the Pankera_, using the same characters and
    starting point while taking the story in a different direction.
    Perhaps he was making a point about the Many Worlds theory, alternate
    history and characters who more than half suspect they are fictional.
    Again, for some reason, he decided not to publish _The Pursuit of
    the Pankera_ after TNOTB. In general I would say he should have
    done the opposite and kept TNOTB in the trunk. TPOTP is a much
    more fun book, not as bogged down in blind alleys as Beast, and
    spends more time in interesting places.

    I am struck, as well, by something I totally missed when reading
    The Number Of The Beast back in the day. Despite all the invocations
    of Doc Smith, I somehow did not see that at least the first third
    of the book is a recapitulation of Smith's _The Skylark of Space_
    (the first space opera): Two bantering couples, a brilliant scientist
    and man of action, a deadly menace and a wonderful new conveyance
    to unimagined worlds. To take it even a bit further, Smith was to
    some extent lampooning Burroughs, with his naked, martial Martians,
    so that the Skylark's first destination "Osnome" is modeled on (and
    sounds like) "Barsoom". In Pankera Heinlein goes to the original
    but even has the Earth party do the doubletalk grandiose introductions
    to the natives that Smith pioneered.

    The book opens at a campus party where Zebadiah John Carter, a man
    with many escapades in his past who nonetheless enjoys playing the
    campus dilettante, quickly meets Deja Thoris Burroughs, the young
    woman who will be his bride, her brilliant mathematician father
    Jake, who has been desperately trying to get in touch with him, and
    somebody who is trying to kill them all, including the party's
    hostess, Hilda Corners, who unknown to Carter (or to her) is his
    imminent mother-in-law.

    Making a quick escape in Zeb's flying car (we are at some indefinite
    point in the future), the foursome quickly tie the knots in whirlwind courtships and go to ground to try and figure out what is going on.

    What that is, is that apparently some nonhuman species has infested
    the Earth and has it violently in for anybody with enough mathematical
    talent to figure out where they came from, or how to escape. Jake
    had, in fact, been seeking out Zeb under the assumption (for
    complicated reasons) that he was also a brilliant mathematician.
    He's not. But he *does* have the practical engineering skill to
    adapt Seaton's (ah, I mean Burroughs's) discoveries into a
    multiuniversal drive which will fit in _Gay Deceiver_, the
    aforementioned flying car.

    With that barely done, the foursome bugs out just in advance of a
    nuclear strike on their bolt-hole and decides that Earth is no
    longer safe. A few adjustments and misadventures behind them, they
    find themselves at Mars in a parallel universe and decide to take
    a rest stop.. To find themselves on Barsoom, hosted by Carthoris,
    Thuvia and the original Dejah Thoris (the warlord, whom Zeb has put
    out is his cousin is off on adventures). Of course trouble has a
    way of following one (or four)...

    Although Zeb is essentially the main character, the story is told
    in alternating first person sections, narrated by each of Zeb,
    Hilda, Deety & Jake. This works pretty well, though Deety has an
    "I'm X, I am" tic that can be annoying, and each of the characters
    is distinct.

    This was a fun book, better, as I said, than "the original". My
    main criticism would be that he still doesn't totally "stick" the
    ending, though it is better than TNOTB. After a whole book of
    pretty much "real time" adventures, we suddenly go into fast forward
    mode where there are a bunch of kids we never get to know, and the
    foursome go off on a genocidal tear (that is not a good look for
    them), before getting it under control and deciding to actually
    address the threat seriously. And we are just about to see that
    happen (with a whole bunch of cast additions that we have our
    suspicions about, but which said are never wholly addressed) when
    the book ends. Granted we know that they are going to carry the
    day, and all live through the battle, but it's a bit of an anti-climax,
    and still never really addresses the underpinnings of the threat.

    Also, be aware this is late period Heinlein, so you have ideas on
    sexual liberation from a man born in 1907, and who has very firm
    ideas on sex roles. Of course, I think he turned it up to 11 to
    make some heads explode on purpose, but yeah, those heads are going
    to explode. (Mine just hurt a bit).

    As for the trunk-novel status of the book.. There were a few places
    where there were some obvious needs for edits (one chapter was
    almost 100% dialogue for instance, so that apparently Heinlein
    forgot whose chapter it was and dropped into third person at one
    point), and a few spots that could have used another draft (Carthoris
    came across looking too naive at one point, for instance), but in
    general this is well flowing, sure-footed Heinlein prose.

    If you are asking yourself: Did Lazarus Long show up like he did
    in TNOTB? The answer is.. maybe.

    On the Late Heinlein scale, this is closer to _Friday_ than anything
    else, so if you detest LH, you may still like this one. I did.

    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Jerry Brown@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 26 17:51:45 2024
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 23:56:07 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    <snip>

    There were two books found after Heinlein's death. The first was
    "Variable Star" which was unfinished, an early work, and Spider Robinson >finished it. It was published in 2006 I think.

    There's also the non-fiction "Tramp Royale" in which RAH pioneers the
    slightly snarky travel book decades before the likes of Bill Bryson
    and his successors.

    I enjoyed it to a point, and kept forgetting when it was written, so
    was initally surprised that he didn't mention Sydney Opera House, then
    realised it was then a couple of decades in the future.

    I could have done without the final chapter in which he advises the
    reader that they might as well travel the USA as its sights are better
    than anything the rest of the world could offer.

    There was at least one (for me) laugh out loud moment, when he
    mentions that "Ticky" (Virginia H) was terrified of insects - with the exception of butterflies which she regarded as "self-propelling
    flowers",

    --
    Jerry Brown

    A cat may look at a king
    (but probably won't bother)

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Jerry Brown on Tue Mar 26 17:58:24 2024
    Jerry Brown <[email protected]d> writes:

    There's also the non-fiction "Tramp Royale" in which RAH pioneers the slightly snarky travel book decades before the likes of Bill Bryson
    and his successors.

    I guess you could say he pioneered the slightly snarky travel book, but
    only because Mark Twain pioneered the *extremely* snarky travel book in
    the previous century.

    The title "Tramp Royale" may even be a wink to "A Tramp Abroad"

    I could have done without the final chapter in which he advises the
    reader that they might as well travel the USA as its sights are better
    than anything the rest of the world could offer.

    A deeply Heinlein attitude, although I agree that some Americans have a
    weird tendency to not view it as a "real" vacation unless an ocean was
    crossed.


    john

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 27 13:16:30 2024
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <utsuim$1bofd$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 11:53 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged >>>> to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references >>>
    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>> have read?

    I enjoyed the Heinlein book that Spider Robinson finished, "Variable Star". >> https://www.amazon.com/Variable-Star-Tor-Science-Fiction/dp/0765351684/ >>

    Interesting! Somehow I never heard of that. I'll put it on the wish list.

    I wasn't impressed by it at all, but I think it's worth reading just for completeness.
    --scott

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Mar 27 13:28:32 2024
    In article <uu167e$rr1$[email protected]>,
    Scott Dorsey <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <utsuim$1bofd$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/24/2024 11:53 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged >>>>> to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references >>>>
    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>>> have read?

    I enjoyed the Heinlein book that Spider Robinson finished, "Variable Star". >>> https://www.amazon.com/Variable-Star-Tor-Science-Fiction/dp/0765351684/ >>>

    Interesting! Somehow I never heard of that. I'll put it on the wish list.

    I wasn't impressed by it at all, but I think it's worth reading just for >completeness.

    Unsurprisingly, I've read it. Readers are probably best advised to
    go into it expecting a Spider Robinson book, not a Heinlein.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Mar 27 13:21:13 2024
    John <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jerry Brown <[email protected]d> writes:

    There's also the non-fiction "Tramp Royale" in which RAH pioneers the
    slightly snarky travel book decades before the likes of Bill Bryson
    and his successors.

    I guess you could say he pioneered the slightly snarky travel book, but
    only because Mark Twain pioneered the *extremely* snarky travel book in
    the previous century.

    Boswell and Johnson deserve credit for prior art in the snarky travel book field.
    --scott
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Mar 27 09:15:12 2024
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 17:58:24 +0000, John <[email protected]> wrote:

    Jerry Brown <[email protected]d> writes:

    There's also the non-fiction "Tramp Royale" in which RAH pioneers the
    slightly snarky travel book decades before the likes of Bill Bryson
    and his successors.

    I guess you could say he pioneered the slightly snarky travel book, but
    only because Mark Twain pioneered the *extremely* snarky travel book in
    the previous century.

    The title "Tramp Royale" may even be a wink to "A Tramp Abroad"

    I could have done without the final chapter in which he advises the
    reader that they might as well travel the USA as its sights are better
    than anything the rest of the world could offer.

    A deeply Heinlein attitude, although I agree that some Americans have a
    weird tendency to not view it as a "real" vacation unless an ocean was >crossed.

    I came to the conclusion that "visiting the relatives" and "real
    vacation" were not the same thing (except, of course, in my family) --
    but I didn't think you had to cross an ocean to have a real vacation.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 28 01:44:56 2024
    In article <uu2bji$34s12$[email protected]>,
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/27/2024 12:15 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 17:58:24 +0000, John
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Jerry Brown <[email protected]d> writes:

    There's also the non-fiction "Tramp Royale" in which RAH pioneers the
    slightly snarky travel book decades before the likes of Bill Bryson
    and his successors.

    I guess you could say he pioneered the slightly snarky travel book, but
    only because Mark Twain pioneered the *extremely* snarky travel book in
    the previous century.

    The title "Tramp Royale" may even be a wink to "A Tramp Abroad"

    I could have done without the final chapter in which he advises the
    reader that they might as well travel the USA as its sights are better >>>> than anything the rest of the world could offer.

    A deeply Heinlein attitude, although I agree that some Americans have a
    weird tendency to not view it as a "real" vacation unless an ocean was
    crossed.

    I came to the conclusion that "visiting the relatives" and "real
    vacation" were not the same thing (except, of course, in my family) --
    but I didn't think you had to cross an ocean to have a real vacation.

    I've long used the term 'oblication' to describe the trips you Must Take
    even if you'd rather go somewhere new.


    http://columbiaclosings.com/pix/24/03/boffo_graduation.jpg
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    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Thu Mar 28 14:07:13 2024
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> writes:
    On 3/27/2024 12:15 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 17:58:24 +0000, John
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Jerry Brown <[email protected]d> writes:

    There's also the non-fiction "Tramp Royale" in which RAH pioneers the
    slightly snarky travel book decades before the likes of Bill Bryson
    and his successors.

    I guess you could say he pioneered the slightly snarky travel book, but
    only because Mark Twain pioneered the *extremely* snarky travel book in
    the previous century.

    The title "Tramp Royale" may even be a wink to "A Tramp Abroad"

    I could have done without the final chapter in which he advises the
    reader that they might as well travel the USA as its sights are better >>>> than anything the rest of the world could offer.

    A deeply Heinlein attitude, although I agree that some Americans have a
    weird tendency to not view it as a "real" vacation unless an ocean was
    crossed.

    I came to the conclusion that "visiting the relatives" and "real
    vacation" were not the same thing (except, of course, in my family) --
    but I didn't think you had to cross an ocean to have a real vacation.

    I've long used the term 'oblication' to describe the trips you Must Take
    even if you'd rather go somewhere new.

    I've been to Silicon Valley to visit my mother more times than I can >remember, and my wife and I have pretty well run out of sites to visit.

    I've lived there for three decades and still haven't visited
    every site of interest within a 180 minute drive.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Thu Mar 28 16:18:03 2024
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> writes:
    On 3/28/2024 10:07 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> writes:
    On 3/27/2024 12:15 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 17:58:24 +0000, John
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Jerry Brown <[email protected]d> writes:

    There's also the non-fiction "Tramp Royale" in which RAH pioneers the >>>>>> slightly snarky travel book decades before the likes of Bill Bryson >>>>>> and his successors.

    I guess you could say he pioneered the slightly snarky travel book, but >>>>> only because Mark Twain pioneered the *extremely* snarky travel book in >>>>> the previous century.

    The title "Tramp Royale" may even be a wink to "A Tramp Abroad"

    I could have done without the final chapter in which he advises the >>>>>> reader that they might as well travel the USA as its sights are better >>>>>> than anything the rest of the world could offer.

    A deeply Heinlein attitude, although I agree that some Americans have a >>>>> weird tendency to not view it as a "real" vacation unless an ocean was >>>>> crossed.

    I came to the conclusion that "visiting the relatives" and "real
    vacation" were not the same thing (except, of course, in my family) -- >>>> but I didn't think you had to cross an ocean to have a real vacation.

    I've long used the term 'oblication' to describe the trips you Must Take >>> even if you'd rather go somewhere new.

    I've been to Silicon Valley to visit my mother more times than I can
    remember, and my wife and I have pretty well run out of sites to visit.

    I've lived there for three decades and still haven't visited
    every site of interest within a 180 minute drive.

    Different interests, probably. I have to limit myself to things that
    my wife will like too.

    Next trip, I'm going to try to squeeze in a visit to the Stanford
    Linear Accelerator. Tours are on a pretty limited schedule.

    Best excursions have been overnights to Yosemite and Mt Shasta.

    Yes, those are nice. I assume you've been to Carmel and Monterey,
    but how about Fort Bragg or Avila Beach? Or Pinnacles?
    Filoli? Villa Montalvo?

    Castle airpark museum (SR-71 and a RAF Vulcan are highlights)?

    Northeastern California (Alturas, in the great basin high desert)?

    Eureka and Ferndale (there's a redwood tree you can drive through).

    You've probably visited the Livermore Labs professionally?

    Highway 49 through gold country?

    Tahoe.

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Fri Mar 29 18:08:52 2024
    On 25/03/24 06:40, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <utpnk5$ftng$[email protected]>,
    Michael F. Stemper <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 24/03/2024 12.08, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <utp7bl$d3l$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Beyond Rejection (Beyond, volume 1) by Justin Leiber

    Revived in the body of a mind-wiped woman, Ishmael Forth is challenged >>>>> to adapt to new circumstances. But first, a two-fisted interstellar
    adventure!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/also-there-are-moby-dick-references >>>>
    So what was the worst novel written by a son of a famous author that you >>>> have read?

    Probably a Brian Herbert novel.

    That's who immediately came to my mind. It's not really fair in my case,
    since, as far as I know, he's the only son of a famous author that I've
    read.

    <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27552>

    There's Joe Hill but I've not read him. Heard good things about his
    books, though.


    I read his NOS4A2 A Novel, which I classified as more of a Horror story
    than Fantasy and although I finished it with a rating of 3 stars, I have
    not sought more because Horror doesn't appeal. I remember reading
    father's "It" decades ago but wouldn't enjoy that genre today though Joe
    does have his own style.


    I like Rothman's The World is Round.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Fri Mar 29 14:54:24 2024
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> writes:
    On 3/28/2024 12:18 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I've lived there for three decades and still haven't visited
    every site of interest within a 180 minute drive.

    Different interests, probably. I have to limit myself to things that
    my wife will like too.

    Next trip, I'm going to try to squeeze in a visit to the Stanford
    Linear Accelerator. Tours are on a pretty limited schedule.

    Best excursions have been overnights to Yosemite and Mt Shasta.


    but how about Fort Bragg or Avila Beach? Or Pinnacles?

    Nope.

    Fort Bragg is worth an overnight. Pinnacles in the
    late summer can be a bit warm.


    Filoli? Villa Montalvo?

    My mom used to be a docent at Filoli, so yes, but not Montalvo

    Some nice hiking at Montalvo. They used to have a summer concert
    series - seeing Etta James on the lawn was one of the best shows
    I've ever seen.


    Castle airpark museum (SR-71 and a RAF Vulcan are highlights)?

    No, but I've been up close with SF-71s in NYC and DC. I've also
    been to the Hiller Air Museum and Moffet Field.

    The most notable aircraft at Castle is the B-36, there are only
    two in existance (the other is in Dayton).


    Northeastern California (Alturas, in the great basin high desert)?

    I'll look into it. Overnights are a lot rarer than day trips.

    When I did that trip a few years ago, I spent the first night
    in Oroville and explored the reservoir area (more nice hiking);
    this was just after they had repaired the emergency spillway.

    From there, take highway 70 across the sierra (a few tunnels
    from the 1930s) - this again was just after the Camp fire
    which affected the northern side of CA70. Beautiful drive,
    nonetheless. US395 to Alturas - a flat high plain surrounded
    by mountains. Spent another night there. Then CA299 west
    through the scenic territory to Redding (If you haven't taken
    the Shasta Dam tour, it's an interesting tour through the
    center of the dam). Fall River Mills is a pretty town.



    Tahoe.

    Probably too far.

    Nevada City/Grass valley is a bit closer and a pretty area.

    Rent a ski chalet in Bear Valley in the summertime - some
    nice alpine lakes in the area.


    Others we liked: Pt Reyes, Bolinas, Muir Woods, Big Basin

    I hiked Big Basin regularly before the fire. A beautiful
    place, indeed (just watch for the banana slugs).

    (worth seeing the near-alien regrowth since the fire),
    Santa Cruz (scraping the bottom of the barrel, we even
    went to The Mystery Spot, which was surprisingly fun).

    Haven't done that yet.

    Alice's Restaurant and the Skyline Drive,

    Yup. Not the one in the song, however.

    Castle Rock.

    Buck's in
    Woodside, the coastal highway up to Half Moon Bay, the
    beaches on that stretch,

    Elephant Seals.

    Sunset State beach is 30 minutes from where I live, and
    I visit at least once a week. Capitola is a pretty
    town on the bay, Nicene Marks state park in the redwoods.

    Boulder Creek.

    Have you explored Bonny Doon to find the home that RAH built?

    Botanical
    Gardens in Santa Cruz and Stanford. Santa Barbara,

    Big Sur, Hearst Mansion, Morro Bay, Solvang, Vandenburg.

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