• Re: YASID "Sci-fi Books, Humans with Animal genes/modifications?"

    From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Mar 14 12:14:06 2024
    On 3/14/2024 11:52 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    YASID "Sci-fi Books, Humans with Animal genes/modifications?"

    https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1bcw0l7/scifi_books_humans_with_animal_genesmodifications/

    "I read a book maybe 10 years or more ago, set in a future where
    humanity had played with gene splicing/gene therapy to the point where
    it was entirely common to see people with animal attributes. There was a whole community of peoples who had Cat/Lion genes who had some feline features and some of their agility, people with snake genes that had
    some scaled patterns on their skin and had sensuous, smooth movements,
    and so on. I’ve been trying to find this book for YEARS, but I have no
    idea what it was called and can’t really remember the plot except that there was a conflict between “normal” humans and those who had their genes modified. Any help, suggestions, or even recommendations about
    similar books?"

    Is this to specifically exclude uplifted animals to human level sentience?

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Mar 14 17:25:29 2024
    On 3/14/2024 12:27 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/14/2024 2:14 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 3/14/2024 11:52 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    YASID "Sci-fi Books, Humans with Animal genes/modifications?"

    https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1bcw0l7/scifi_books_humans_with_animal_genesmodifications/

    "I read a book maybe 10 years or more ago, set in a future where
    humanity had played with gene splicing/gene therapy to the point
    where it was entirely common to see people with animal attributes.
    There was a whole community of peoples who had Cat/Lion genes who had
    some feline features and some of their agility, people with snake
    genes that had some scaled patterns on their skin and had sensuous,
    smooth movements, and so on. I’ve been trying to find this book for
    YEARS, but I have no idea what it was called and can’t really
    remember the plot except that there was a conflict between “normal”
    humans and those who had their genes modified. Any help, suggestions,
    or even recommendations about similar books?"

    Is this to specifically exclude uplifted animals to human level
    sentience?

    The reddit thread covers this.

    I don't read Reddit.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Mar 15 21:38:01 2024
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> writes:
    On 3/15/2024 12:38 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On 14/03/2024 18:52, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    YASID "Sci-fi Books, Humans with Animal genes/modifications?"

    https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1bcw0l7/scifi_books_humans_with_animal_genesmodifications/

    "I read a book maybe 10 years or more ago, set in a future where
    humanity had played with gene splicing/gene therapy to the point where
    it was entirely common to see people with animal attributes. There was
    a whole community of peoples who had Cat/Lion genes who had some
    feline features and some of their agility, people with snake genes
    that had some scaled patterns on their skin and had sensuous, smooth
    movements, and so on. I’ve been trying to find this book for YEARS,
    but I have no idea what it was called and can’t really remember the
    plot except that there was a conflict between “normal” humans and
    those who had their genes modified. Any help, suggestions, or even
    recommendations about similar books?"

    I don't have an answer and I'm hesitating
    to create a reddit account, I see it as
    something that happens to other people.
    But I'd ask whether this is a "young adult"
    reader book (and we could debate which
    stories since Dr. Moreau quality), and
    also whether this is about being born
    with animal traits, or about getting a
    treatment as a teenager or an adult.

    It's extremely unlikely to be
    Ben Aaronovitch's _Moon Over Soho_ (2011),
    in which, happily as a minor theme,
    animal-hybrid people have been devised
    by an evil sex magician.  One appears
    as the magician's henchman.

    Can you not see Reddit posts without creating an account ?

    You must be signed in to 'answer', which is what Robert said above.

    Personally, I have no interest in reddit, with or without an account.

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Fri Mar 15 21:57:51 2024
    On 3/15/2024 7:49 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 5:38 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    [snip-snip]
    Personally, I have no interest in reddit, with or without an account.

    I honestly find the reddit-hate on usenet a bit dissapointing. Perhaps because its the closest thing to usenet, but is not usenet. [snip]

    It's true that Reddit is a collection of "subreddits" the way Usenet is
    a collection of "newsgroups". However, there are certain differences:

    1. All subreddits are moderated, which, as anyone who has had to deal
    with moderated newsgroups knows, is a double-edged sword. Reddit admins
    also function as site-wide super-moderators and can ban Reddit account.

    2. Subreddit moderators have to follow site-wide Reddit content
    policies, which have been known to change. To quote https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-code-of-conduct , "your
    subreddit and moderator team can be held accountable for individual
    moderator actions".

    3. Reddit has a "karma" system, which is based on other users upvoting
    or downvoting your posts and comments. Some subreddits require a certain
    amount of positive Reddit-wide karma to post and/or to comment. Reddit
    also requires a certain amount of karma to create new subreddits.

    4. Usenet clients are generally more robust than the default Reddit user interface. However, certain add-ons like "Reddit Enhancement Suite"
    (RES) provide additional functionality which is comparable to and
    sometimes even superior to what you will find in a typical Usenet
    client. I find the Reddit Enhancement Suite indispensable -- reading
    Reddit without it is painful.

    5. Usenet newsgroups are hierarchical -- "rec.arts.sf.written" -- which facilitates discovery. Subreddits are less structured.

    6. Curiously, Reddit spam is becoming more of an issue now that Large
    Language Models are better at impersonating humans.

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  • From Garrett Wollman@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 16 01:44:40 2024
    In article <ut2mqq$2hcnb$[email protected]>,
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> wrote:
    But its still not bad. You don't need an account to read [reddit].

    Actually, you do, if you happen to be on an IP address that the
    management have arbitrarily decided to ban.

    -GAWollman

    --
    Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can, [email protected]| act to remove constraint from the future. This is Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
    my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Ahasuerus on Fri Mar 15 21:11:18 2024
    On 3/15/2024 6:57 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 7:49 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 5:38 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    [snip-snip]
    Personally, I have no interest in reddit, with or without an account.

    I honestly find the reddit-hate on usenet a bit dissapointing. Perhaps
    because its the closest thing to usenet, but is not usenet. [snip]

    It's true that Reddit is a collection of "subreddits" the way Usenet is
    a collection of "newsgroups". However, there are certain differences:

    1. All subreddits are moderated, which, as anyone who has had to deal
    with moderated newsgroups knows, is a double-edged sword. Reddit admins
    also function as site-wide super-moderators and can ban Reddit account.

    2. Subreddit moderators have to follow site-wide Reddit content
    policies, which have been known to change. To quote https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-code-of-conduct , "your subreddit and moderator team can be held accountable for individual
    moderator actions".

    3. Reddit has a "karma" system, which is based on other users upvoting
    or downvoting your posts and comments. Some subreddits require a certain amount of positive Reddit-wide karma to post and/or to comment. Reddit
    also requires a certain amount of karma to create new subreddits.

    4. Usenet clients are generally more robust than the default Reddit user interface. However, certain add-ons like "Reddit Enhancement Suite"
    (RES) provide additional functionality which is comparable to and
    sometimes even superior to what you will find in a typical Usenet
    client. I find the Reddit Enhancement Suite indispensable -- reading
    Reddit without it is painful.

    5. Usenet newsgroups are hierarchical -- "rec.arts.sf.written" -- which facilitates discovery. Subreddits are less structured.

    6. Curiously, Reddit spam is becoming more of an issue now that Large Language Models are better at impersonating humans.

    Sounds like "someone" tried to copy or update Usenet to the web. And
    failed badly.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Mar 16 12:16:41 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Dimensional Traveler <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 6:57 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 7:49 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 5:38 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    [snip-snip]
    Personally, I have no interest in reddit, with or without an account.

    I honestly find the reddit-hate on usenet a bit dissapointing. Perhaps
    because its the closest thing to usenet, but is not usenet. [snip]

    It's true that Reddit is a collection of "subreddits" the way Usenet is
    a collection of "newsgroups". However, there are certain differences:

    1. All subreddits are moderated, which, as anyone who has had to deal
    with moderated newsgroups knows, is a double-edged sword. Reddit admins
    also function as site-wide super-moderators and can ban Reddit account.

    2. Subreddit moderators have to follow site-wide Reddit content
    policies, which have been known to change. To quote
    https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-code-of-conduct , "your
    subreddit and moderator team can be held accountable for individual
    moderator actions".

    3. Reddit has a "karma" system, which is based on other users upvoting
    or downvoting your posts and comments. Some subreddits require a certain
    amount of positive Reddit-wide karma to post and/or to comment. Reddit
    also requires a certain amount of karma to create new subreddits.

    4. Usenet clients are generally more robust than the default Reddit user
    interface. However, certain add-ons like "Reddit Enhancement Suite"
    (RES) provide additional functionality which is comparable to and
    sometimes even superior to what you will find in a typical Usenet
    client. I find the Reddit Enhancement Suite indispensable -- reading
    Reddit without it is painful.

    5. Usenet newsgroups are hierarchical -- "rec.arts.sf.written" -- which
    facilitates discovery. Subreddits are less structured.

    6. Curiously, Reddit spam is becoming more of an issue now that Large
    Language Models are better at impersonating humans.

    Sounds like "someone" tried to copy or update Usenet to the web. And
    failed badly.

    How has Reddit failed?

    Usenet has failed, as is only proper. It was meant primarily as an
    information dissemination mechanism and content control was a much
    later secondary consideration. It worked very well as long as it
    wasn't popular enough or lucrative enough to attract people wanting to
    exploit it. The only reason good corners like this still exist is
    that they are unpopular! (We just saw what a single nefarious
    individual can do to Usenet.)

    I don't participate in any Reddit communities, but I lurk in a couple
    and I search it all the time. If I want honest opinions on products
    or services or practices, I simply add "reddit" to my search. Much higher quality than elsewhere. The communities are real.

    Chris

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Sat Mar 16 19:02:24 2024
    On 3/16/2024 3:31 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 9:57 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 7:49 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 3/15/2024 5:38 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    [snip-snip]
    Personally, I have no interest in reddit, with or without an account.

    I honestly find the reddit-hate on usenet a bit dissapointing. Perhaps
    because its the closest thing to usenet, but is not usenet. [snip]

    It's true that Reddit is a collection of "subreddits" the way Usenet
    is a collection of "newsgroups". However, there are certain differences:

    1. All subreddits are moderated, which, as anyone who has had to deal
    with moderated newsgroups knows, is a double-edged sword. Reddit
    admins also function as site-wide super-moderators and can ban Reddit
    account.

    2. Subreddit moderators have to follow site-wide Reddit content
    policies, which have been known to change. To quote
    https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-code-of-conduct , "your
    subreddit and moderator team can be held accountable for individual
    moderator actions".

    3. Reddit has a "karma" system, which is based on other users upvoting
    or downvoting your posts and comments. Some subreddits require a
    certain amount of positive Reddit-wide karma to post and/or to
    comment. Reddit also requires a certain amount of karma to create new
    subreddits.

    4. Usenet clients are generally more robust than the default Reddit
    user interface. However, certain add-ons like "Reddit Enhancement
    Suite" (RES) provide additional functionality which is comparable to
    and sometimes even superior to what you will find in a typical Usenet
    client. I find the Reddit Enhancement Suite indispensable -- reading
    Reddit without it is painful.

    5. Usenet newsgroups are hierarchical -- "rec.arts.sf.written" --
    which facilitates discovery. Subreddits are less structured.

    6. Curiously, Reddit spam is becoming more of an issue now that Large
    Language Models are better at impersonating humans.

    Need I point out that you are posting from eternal-september.org,
    which exercises moderation of this newsgroup.

    In fact, most of us use ES specifically *because* rasfw here is
    moderated, to filter out spam posts.

    Not all moderation is bad.

    Oh, I didn't say that moderation was bad. I said that it was a
    double-edged sword. We have seen it on Usenet as well as on Web-based SF-related forums like Space Battles, Sufficient Velocity, Questionable Questing, etc. Different forums have different policies and different moderators apply them differently, which leads to various controversies.

    Re: spam filtering, it's something that Usenet has been dealing with for
    a very long time. One of the first things that I saw when I subscribed
    to rec.arts.sf.written in April 1994 was an ongoing controversy over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdar_Argic 's spam.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 21:51:09 2024
    In article <usvh14$1pioj$[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...

    YASID "Sci-fi Books, Humans with Animal genes/modifications?"

    https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1bcw0l7/scifi_books_humans_with_animal_genesmodifications/

    "I read a book maybe 10 years or more ago, set in a future where
    humanity had played with gene splicing/gene therapy to the point where
    it was entirely common to see people with animal attributes. There was a whole community of peoples who had Cat/Lion genes who had some feline features and some of their agility, people with snake genes that had
    some scaled patterns on their skin and had sensuous, smooth movements,
    and so on. I?ve been trying to find this book for YEARS, but I have no
    idea what it was called and can?t really remember the plot except that
    there was a conflict between ?normal? humans and those who had their
    genes modified. Any help, suggestions, or even recommendations about
    similar books?"


    Reminded of _Beasts_ by John Crowley

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Sun Mar 17 16:02:28 2024
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> writes:
    On 3/15/2024 9:57 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:

    5. Usenet newsgroups are hierarchical -- "rec.arts.sf.written" -- which
    facilitates discovery. Subreddits are less structured.

    6. Curiously, Reddit spam is becoming more of an issue now that Large
    Language Models are better at impersonating humans.

    Need I point out that you are posting from eternal-september.org,
    which exercises moderation of this newsgroup.

    In fact, most of us use ES specifically *because* rasfw here is
    moderated, to filter out spam posts.

    I would point out that since google shut down, there hasn't been
    any spam to filter. Nor was there any before the recent
    google thai spam storm.

    My usenet provider refused to filter that Thai spam because
    they don't filter or moderate at all.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Sun Mar 17 10:27:43 2024
    On 3/17/2024 9:02 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> writes:
    On 3/15/2024 9:57 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:

    5. Usenet newsgroups are hierarchical -- "rec.arts.sf.written" -- which
    facilitates discovery. Subreddits are less structured.

    6. Curiously, Reddit spam is becoming more of an issue now that Large
    Language Models are better at impersonating humans.

    Need I point out that you are posting from eternal-september.org,
    which exercises moderation of this newsgroup.

    In fact, most of us use ES specifically *because* rasfw here is
    moderated, to filter out spam posts.

    I would point out that since google shut down, there hasn't been
    any spam to filter. Nor was there any before the recent
    google thai spam storm.

    My usenet provider refused to filter that Thai spam because
    they don't filter or moderate at all.

    I've seen a few bits of spam since The Great Google Shutdown ( :P ) but
    very little. I also have my own reader's filters still in place so it
    is possible that there is some more that I don't see but I agree it is
    better now.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Sun Mar 17 19:02:35 2024
    Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:

    I would point out that since google shut down, there hasn't been
    any spam to filter. Nor was there any before the recent
    google thai spam storm.

    Oh, there certainly has been. It's been pretty effectively dealt with
    however, but you can look at the control messages and see what is going
    on under the hood if you want to see them kicking along. The volume has
    not been huge and the filtering system has been very effective.

    The google spam storm (and it wasn't just Thai, it was in a dozen languages including English) was an outlier because the volume was so huge that it completely broke down the filtering system which has worked so well for
    so long.

    My usenet provider refused to filter that Thai spam because
    they don't filter or moderate at all.

    That's good, but someone upstream of them likely does. Which is the real beauty of usenet.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 18 19:37:30 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:27:43 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I've seen a few bits of spam since The Great Google Shutdown ( :P ) but
    very little. I also have my own reader's filters still in place so it
    is possible that there is some more that I don't see but I agree it is
    better now.

    I'm still getting LOTS of spam in the movie + TV binary groups. I
    usually go through them manually to delete the sporger's crap before I
    look at the headers. I use Agent which has the feature of downloading
    headers and by default ONLY downloads bodies for messages you ask it
    to.

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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Tue Mar 19 17:20:53 2024
    On 19/03/2024 13:37, The Horny Goat wrote:

    I'm still getting LOTS of spam in the movie + TV binary groups. I
    usually go through them manually to delete the sporger's crap before I
    look at the headers. I use Agent which has the feature of downloading
    headers and by default ONLY downloads bodies for messages you ask it
    to.
    Possibly because Easynews don't do any filtering...

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Tue Mar 19 15:36:29 2024
    The Horny Goat <[email protected]> writes:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:27:43 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I've seen a few bits of spam since The Great Google Shutdown ( :P ) but >>very little. I also have my own reader's filters still in place so it
    is possible that there is some more that I don't see but I agree it is >>better now.

    I'm still getting LOTS of spam in the movie + TV binary groups.

    Most of the free providers (e-s, etc.) don't support the binary
    groups at all.

    The rest don't bother filtering them.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 19 17:53:05 2024
    In article <utcj50$v0us$[email protected]>,
    Dimensional Traveler <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/19/2024 8:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    The Horny Goat <[email protected]> writes:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:27:43 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I've seen a few bits of spam since The Great Google Shutdown ( :P ) but >>>> very little. I also have my own reader's filters still in place so it >>>> is possible that there is some more that I don't see but I agree it is >>>> better now.

    I'm still getting LOTS of spam in the movie + TV binary groups.

    Most of the free providers (e-s, etc.) don't support the binary
    groups at all.

    The rest don't bother filtering them.

    Filtering the binaries would be contrary to their grey internet aspect.


    Not even sure how you could do that.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Tue Mar 19 10:48:17 2024
    On 3/19/2024 8:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    The Horny Goat <[email protected]> writes:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:27:43 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I've seen a few bits of spam since The Great Google Shutdown ( :P ) but
    very little. I also have my own reader's filters still in place so it
    is possible that there is some more that I don't see but I agree it is
    better now.

    I'm still getting LOTS of spam in the movie + TV binary groups.

    Most of the free providers (e-s, etc.) don't support the binary
    groups at all.

    The rest don't bother filtering them.

    Filtering the binaries would be contrary to their grey internet aspect.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 24 21:52:11 2024
    In article <utifil$2g3jt$[email protected]>,
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    I've been banned on other forums without
    being told that no one was seeing my
    contributions. That's unjustified.

    I can see a case where this would be justified: A spammer,
    or a particularly pernicious troll. Just to (hopefully)
    delay them switching to yet another throw-away account.

    Not accusing you of falling into this category at all;
    this is just a situation where I've thought "shadowbanning"
    would be justified. Perhaps including "Panopticlick" type
    PC identification for particularly pernicious ones who
    keep creating new accounts to get around a justified ban.

    Like I said, for spamming, pernicious trolling, or repeatedly
    creating new accounts to get around a ban, not for "has an
    opinion that differs from the host" cases.

    --
    Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
    mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
    KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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