On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton
�� https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old
confused woman.� I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback
published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017.
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England.
Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very
confused today".� Some days she remembers having four children and some
days she remembers having three children.� Some days she remembers the
bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers
the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating:� 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating:� 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 23:52:55 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old
confused woman. I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017.
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England. Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very confused today". Some days she remembers having four children and some days she remembers having three children. Some days she remembers the bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who
is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
On Mar 4, 2024, Paul S Person wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 23:52:55 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton
https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old
confused woman. I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback >> > > published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017.
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England. >> > > Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very
confused today". Some days she remembers having four children and some >> > > days she remembers having three children. Some days she remembers the
bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers >> > > the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who
is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Paul S Person wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 23:52:55 +0000, Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old confused woman. I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback
published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017.
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England.
Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very confused today". Some days she remembers having four children and some
days she remembers having three children. Some days she remembers the bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers
the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who
is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just
Ich bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
On Mar 4, 2024, Scott Lurndal wrote
(in article <VQoFN.39118$[email protected]>):
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Paul S Person wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 23:52:55 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton
https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old
confused woman. I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback
published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017.
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England.
Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very
confused today". Some days she remembers having four children and some
days she remembers having three children. Some days she remembers the
bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers
the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who
is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just
Ich bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
So... intead of being a doughnut, he was a city? This hardly seems to be an >improvement.
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Scott Lurndal wrote
(in article <VQoFN.39118$[email protected]>):
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Paul S Person wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 23:52:55 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton
https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/ >>> > > > >
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old >>> > > > > confused woman. I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback
published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017.
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England.
Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very >>> > > > > confused today". Some days she remembers having four children and some
days she remembers having three children. Some days she remembers the
bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers
the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who >>> > > is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just
Ich bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
So... intead of being a doughnut, he was a city? This hardly seems to be an >>improvement.
The english translation doesn't convey what the phrase meant to the
citizens of Berlin. It is a perfectly normal phrase to a German
speaker who clearly understood.
On 3/4/2024 12:57 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Paul S Person wroteIch bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
(in article<[email protected]>):
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 23:52:55 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton
https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old
confused woman. I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback >>>>>> published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017.
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England. >>>>>> Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very
confused today". Some days she remembers having four children and some >>>>>> days she remembers having three children. Some days she remembers the >>>>>> bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers >>>>>> the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who
is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just >>
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
But, "I am a jelly doughnut" is quite funny to non Berliners.
Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> writes:
On 3/4/2024 12:57 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Paul S Person wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 23:52:55 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton
https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/ >>>>>>>
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old >>>>>>> confused woman. I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback >>>>>>> published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017.
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England. >>>>>>> Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very >>>>>>> confused today". Some days she remembers having four children and some >>>>>>> days she remembers having three children. Some days she remembers the >>>>>>> bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers >>>>>>> the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who >>>>> is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just
Ich bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
But, "I am a jelly doughnut" is quite funny to non Berliners.
No, it's not funny at all.
On Mar 4, 2024, Scott Lurndal wrote
(in article <VQoFN.39118$[email protected]>):
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Paul S Person wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy
who is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is...,
or just
Ich bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
So... intead of being a doughnut, he was a city? This hardly seems to
be an improvement.
On 3/4/2024 5:48 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> writes:
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who >>>>>> is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just
Ich bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
But, "I am a jelly doughnut" is quite funny to non Berliners.
No, it's not funny at all.
It was funny to my entire German class in 1975. Or was that 1976. Been
a long time ago.
Ich bin ein Berliner
[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) writes:
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Scott Lurndal wrote
(in article <VQoFN.39118$[email protected]>):
WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
On Mar 4, 2024, Paul S Person wrote
(in article<[email protected]>):
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 23:52:55 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03/03/2024 22:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"My Real Children" by Jo Walton
https://www.amazon.com/My-Real-Children-Jo-Walton/dp/076533268X/ >>>> > > > >
A standalone alternate history fantasy novel about a 90 year old >>>> > > > > confused woman. I read the well printed and well bound trade paperback
published by Tor Books in 2014 that I bought on Amazon in 2017. >>>> > > > >
Patricia Cowan is 90 years old and living in a nursing home in England.
Her daily status chart differs between "confused today" and "very >>>> > > > > confused today". Some days she remembers having four children and some
days she remembers having three children. Some days she remembers the
bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963 and some days she remembers
the nuclear exchange that destroyed Miami and Kiev in 1963.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.2 out of 5 stars (489 reviews)
The bomb that killed President Kennedy?
Are you sure? Is she? Why am I assuming
that Kennedy didn't die in the "limited
nuclear exchange" timeline? Maybe because
television science fiction comedy _Red Dwarf_
had a "saved Kennedy, afterwards bad" episode?
Not-dead Kennedy was a nuisance in
Stephen Baxter's novel _Voyage_, too.
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who >>>> > > is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just
Ich bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
So... intead of being a doughnut, he was a city? This hardly seems to be an >>>improvement.
The english translation doesn't convey what the phrase meant to the >>citizens of Berlin. It is a perfectly normal phrase to a German
speaker who clearly understood.
From Wikipedia:
While the phrase "Ich bin ein Berliner" can be understood as having a
double meaning, it is neither wrong to use it the way Kennedy did nor
was it embarrassing.[15] According to some grammar texts,[16] the indefinite
article can be omitted in German when speaking of an individual's profession
or origin but is in any case used when speaking in a figurative sense.[17][18]
Furthermore, although the word "Berliner"[14][19] has traditionally been used
for a doughnut filled with fruit jam or jelly in the north, west, and southwest
of Germany, it has never been used in Berlin itself or the surrounding region,
where the usual word is "Pfannkuchen" (literally "pancake").[20] Therefore,
no Berliner would mistake Berliner for a doughnut.
And:
The misconception appears to have originated in Len Deighton's 1983
spy novel Berlin Game, which contains the following passage,
spoken by Bernard Samson:
'Ich bin ein Berliner,' I said. It was a joke. A Berliner is
a doughnut. The day after President Kennedy made his famous
proclamation, Berlin cartoonists had a field day with talking
doughnuts.[22]
The NY Times review took it as gospel and thus an urban legend was born.
On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 18:57:57 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Ich bin ein Berliner
According to the English-to-German translator on Bing,
"Ich bin ein Berliner" means "I am a Berliner"
and
"Berliner" means "Doughnut"
"Ich bin ein Berliner meaning", OTOH, produces ... a page of articles >desperately trying to explain that he really didn't say he was
doughnut. Even though he clearly did.
I learned that Kennedy said he was a doughnut /long/ before 1983.
Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> writes:
On 3/4/2024 5:48 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> writes:
Stephen King's _11/22/63: A Novel_ includes a version of Kennedy who >>>>>>> is not assassinated and its results.
They aren't pretty.
I take it that the Talking Doughnut (look up what a Berliner is..., or just
Ich bin ein Berliner is "I am Berlin" auf Deutsch.
Has nothing to do with the pastry.
But, "I am a jelly doughnut" is quite funny to non Berliners.
No, it's not funny at all.
It was funny to my entire German class in 1975. Or was that 1976. Been
a long time ago.
It wasn't funny in my German class in the 1970's. Our german teacher
taught us what the phrase meant to the Berliners who heard it,
not some wannabe comedian.
On 2024-03-05, Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
I learned that Kennedy said he was a doughnut /long/ before 1983.
Well, he didn't. It's a bizarre myth repeated by English speakers
who don't know German.
It's mildly amusing to those of us who are primarily English-speaking,
whose family background is German.
All the idiots who think that "Berliner" *only* means doughnut, sigh...
On 2024-03-05, Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
I learned that Kennedy said he was a doughnut /long/ before 1983.
Well, he didn't. It's a bizarre myth repeated by English speakers
who don't know German.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber ><[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-03-05, Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
I learned that Kennedy said he was a doughnut /long/ before 1983.=20
Well, he didn't. It's a bizarre myth repeated by English speakers
who don't know German.
OK, I've had what I like to think of as "some thoughts" on this topic.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber >><[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-03-05, Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
I learned that Kennedy said he was a doughnut /long/ before 1983.=20
Well, he didn't. It's a bizarre myth repeated by English speakers
who don't know German.
OK, I've had what I like to think of as "some thoughts" on this topic.
Give it up. You don't understand German and you're not a Berliner.
Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-03-05, Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
I learned that Kennedy said he was a doughnut /long/ before 1983.
Well, he didn't. It's a bizarre myth repeated by English speakers
who don't know German.
OK, I've had what I like to think of as "some thoughts" on this topic.
1. The grammatical information presented somewhere in this tangle
suggests that "Ich bin Berliner" means "I am of Berlin", presumably
with a noun phrase ("a native" "a resident") omitted. It also rejects
using the article, so "Ich bin ein Berliner" cannot mean "I am an of
Berlin" (which isn't true in any sense)
But then, Tony Curtis wasn't Spartacus in any sense, either.
Movie 1960, speech 1963.
And saying that an actor played a role in a movie is not a nonsense
phrase (as "I am an of Berlin" is).
Well, provided the German grammitical information given in this
discussion is correct.
Not only am I not a jelly donut, I am not of Berlin. That indefinite
article makes a difference!
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
Not only am I not a jelly donut, I am not of Berlin. That indefinite
article makes a difference!
Reading this thread has made me glazed.
--scott
Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 14:30:17 -0500, William Hyde <[email protected]>
wrote:
.
That would depend on whether Tony Curtis based his acting on becoming
the character or not. But, in any case, he was Spartacus in the sense
of playing the role.
Kirk Douglas played Spartacus. Curtis played Antoninus, In the story
at one point Antoninus (and others) claimed "I am Spartacus", which has >meaning even though it was not true in any sense.
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