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  • 2024 Hugo Nominations are now open

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 28 16:05:42 2024
    Hugo nominations are open. Glasgow promises to explain why if anyone is disqualified. I expect they will also count all the votes correctly but
    it might be an idea not just promise to but to have an outside bonded
    entity verify the outcome.

    https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/nominations-open-for-the-2024-hugo-awards/

    #BlameChengdu
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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sun Jan 28 13:45:23 2024
    On Jan 28, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <up5u0m$hms$[email protected]>):

    Hugo nominations are open. Glasgow promises to explain why if anyone is disqualified. I expect they will also count all the votes correctly but
    it might be an idea not just promise to but to have an outside bonded
    entity verify the outcome.

    https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/nominations-open-for-the-2024-hugo-award
    s/

    #BlameChengdu

    Will whoever is in charge of these things (I’ve never been to a WorldCon,
    and haven’t much cared about what goes on there for decades, so I don’t know how it works) promise to never again let a WorldCon be held in China,
    or, indeed, any other benighted totalitarian dictatorship? Is such a promise even possible?

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Jan 28 19:26:16 2024
    In article <[email protected]>,
    WolfFan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Jan 28, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <up5u0m$hms$[email protected]>):

    Hugo nominations are open. Glasgow promises to explain why if anyone is
    disqualified. I expect they will also count all the votes correctly but
    it might be an idea not just promise to but to have an outside bonded
    entity verify the outcome.

    https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/nominations-open-for-the-2024-hugo-award >> s/

    #BlameChengdu

    Will whoever is in charge of these things (I’ve never been to a WorldCon, >and haven’t much cared about what goes on there for decades, so I don’t >know how it works) promise to never again let a WorldCon be held in China, >or, indeed, any other benighted totalitarian dictatorship? Is such a promise >even possible?


    At present, there is no way to block any bid from winning. A bid that
    gets the most votes wins. If North Korea put in a bid, and that bid
    got the most votes, that bid would win.

    It takes two years at minimum to change the rules and one has be willing
    and able to attend the in person business meetings at the two WorldCons involved (in this case, Glasgow and Seattle). The current rules will be
    in place until at least 2025.

    Given the total cock-up that appears to have happened with Chengdu,
    pledging not to count wrong votes would likely not be constructive at
    this time.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Sun Jan 28 20:39:48 2024
    WolfFan <[email protected]> wrote:
    Will whoever is in charge of these things (I\342\200\231ve never
    been to a WorldCon, and haven\342\200\231t much cared about what
    goes on there for decades, so I don\342\200\231t know how it works)
    promise to never again let a WorldCon be held in China, or, indeed,
    any other benighted totalitarian dictatorship? Is such a promise
    even possible?

    Under the present rules, the location is voted on by everyone in
    the world who pays the voting fee. The votes for the 2023 Worldcon
    were counted at the 2021 Worldcon in DC (which I attended). It was
    reported that the great majority of voters were people in China.

    The main thing Kevin Standlee got in trouble for was publicly
    revealing, early at the DC Worldcon, that the number of mail-in votes
    for Chengdu was so high that even if everyone present in DC were to
    vote against Chengdu, it would still win. It was against the rules
    for him to reveal anything about the vote totals until the voting
    was over, but I'm glad he did it, since it let everyone at the con
    (including me) who didn't want the con to be in Chengdu to avoid
    wasting their money by voting against it. They would lose, and their
    voting fee would just go straight to China.

    Maybe voting should be restricted to people at the con. To make that
    or any other change, it has to be voted on and passed by the in-person
    members of two consecutive Worldcons.
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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 00:57:20 2024
    On Jan 28, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <up69oo$517$[email protected]>):

    In article<[email protected]>,
    WolfFan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Jan 28, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <up5u0m$hms$[email protected]>):

    Hugo nominations are open. Glasgow promises to explain why if anyone is disqualified. I expect they will also count all the votes correctly but it might be an idea not just promise to but to have an outside bonded entity verify the outcome.
    https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/nominations-open-for-the-2024-hugo-awa
    rd
    s/

    #BlameChengdu

    Will whoever is in charge of these things (I’ve never been to a WorldCon, and haven’t much cared about what goes on there for decades, so I don’t know how it works) promise to never again let a WorldCon be held in China, or, indeed, any other benighted totalitarian dictatorship? Is such a promise
    even possible?

    At present, there is no way to block any bid from winning. A bid that
    gets the most votes wins. If North Korea put in a bid, and that bid
    got the most votes, that bid would win.

    It takes two years at minimum to change the rules and one has be willing
    and able to attend the in person business meetings at the two WorldCons involved (in this case, Glasgow and Seattle). The current rules will be
    in place until at least 2025.

    Given the total cock-up that appears to have happened with Chengdu,
    pledging not to count wrong votes would likely not be constructive at
    this time.

    So there’s nothing preventing another mail-in flood.

    Ah, well. One more reason to not care about Hugos.

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