• [YASID, kind of] Heinlein talking about... possible early Russkie Cosmo

    From danny burstein@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 25 00:44:14 2024
    I recall Heinlein writing about a trip through Russia
    and mentioning a bunch of the locals talking excitedly
    about a bunch of Cosmonauts. And then, a day or two
    later, suddenly going silent.

    He took this as a possiblity of a failed Russian space mission
    that was quickly covered up.

    Anyone recall which book this was in? Thanks
    ====
    What brought this to mind was one of the stories
    this week by the "SciBabe" [a] in which, yes, she
    talks a bit about this possiblity.

    Thanks again

    [a] [scibabe.com]

    MOS [Moment of Science] : The Lost Cosmonauts

    Every secretive government organization is followed by a void of
    unanswered questions, almost inevitably filled by conspiracy theories.
    Some folks will never believe the US landed a man on the Moon, but that it
    was carried out on a soundstage. Alternatively, it was directed by Stanley Kubrick who's such a perfectionist he demanded it be filmed on the Moon.

    Then there's the theory that Yuri Gagarin was not the first person the
    Soviets sent to space, just the first one to come back alive.

    Today's Moment of Science ... The Lost Cosmonaut
    =========
    rest:
    https://scibabe.com/mos-the-lost-cosmonauts/

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jan 25 01:20:00 2024
    In article <[email protected]>,
    danny burstein <[email protected]> wrote:
    I recall Heinlein writing about a trip through Russia
    and mentioning a bunch of the locals talking excitedly
    about a bunch of Cosmonauts. And then, a day or two
    later, suddenly going silent.

    He took this as a possiblity of a failed Russian space mission
    that was quickly covered up.

    Anyone recall which book this was in? Thanks
    ====
    What brought this to mind was one of the stories
    this week by the "SciBabe" [a] in which, yes, she
    talks a bit about this possiblity.

    Thanks again

    [a] [scibabe.com]

    MOS [Moment of Science] : The Lost Cosmonauts

    Every secretive government organization is followed by a void of
    unanswered questions, almost inevitably filled by conspiracy theories.
    Some folks will never believe the US landed a man on the Moon, but that it >was carried out on a soundstage. Alternatively, it was directed by Stanley >Kubrick who's such a perfectionist he demanded it be filmed on the Moon.

    Then there's the theory that Yuri Gagarin was not the first person the >Soviets sent to space, just the first one to come back alive.

    Today's Moment of Science ... The Lost Cosmonaut
    =========
    rest:
    https://scibabe.com/mos-the-lost-cosmonauts/


    Probably '"PRAVDA" Means "TRUTH"' from _Expanded Universe_:


    In disputing the official pravda we were simply malicious
    liars and she made it clear that she so considered us.

    About noon on Sunday, May 15, we were walking downhill
    through the park surrounding the castle that dominates
    Vilno. We encountered a group of six or eight Red Army
    cadets. Foreigners are a great curiosity in Vilno. Almost
    no tourists go there. So they stopped and we chatted, myself
    through our guide and my wife directly, in Russian.

    Shortly one of the cadets asked us what we thought of their
    new manned rocket. We answered that we had had no news
    lately--what was it and when did it happen? He told us,
    with the other cadets listening and agreeing, that the
    rocket had gone up that very day, and at that very moment
    a Russian astronaut was in orbit around the earth--and what
    did we think of that?

    I congratulated them on this wondrous achievement but,
    privately, felt a dull sickness. The Soviet Union had beaten
    us to the punch again. But later that day our guide looked
    us up and carefully corrected the story: The cadet had been
    mistaken, the rocket was not manned.

    That evening we tried to purchase Pravda. No copies were
    available in Vilno. Later we heard from other Americans
    that Pravda was not available in other cities in the USSR
    that evening--this part is hearsay, of course. We tried
    also to listen to the Voice of America. It was jammed. We
    listened to some Soviet stations but heard no mention of
    the rocket.

    This is the rocket the Soviets tried to recover and later
    admitted that they had had some trouble with the retrojets;
    they had fired while the rocket was in the wrong attitude.

    So what is the answer? Did that rocket contain only a dummy,
    as the pravda now claims? Or is there a dead Russian revolving
    in space?--an Orwellian "unperson," once it was realized
    that he could not be recovered.

    I am sure of this: At noon on May 15 a group of Red Army
    cadets were unanimously positive that the rocket was manned.
    That pravda did not change until later that afternoon.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jan 25 01:43:39 2024
    In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:


    Probably '"PRAVDA" Means "TRUTH"' from _Expanded Universe_:

    [lots snipped]

    About noon on Sunday, May 15, we were walking downhill
    through the park surrounding the castle that dominates
    Vilno. We encountered a group of six or eight Red Army
    cadets. Foreigners are a great curiosity in Vilno. Almost
    no tourists go there. So they stopped and we chatted, myself
    through our guide and my wife directly, in Russian.

    Shortly one of the cadets asked us what we thought of their
    new manned rocket. We answered that we had had no news
    lately--what was it and when did it happen? He told us,
    with the other cadets listening and agreeing, that the
    rocket had gone up that very day, and at that very moment
    a Russian astronaut was in orbit around the earth--and what
    did we think of that?
    =====

    **THANKS** That was it!

    Please don't tell me you had those pages committed to memory...

    Thanks agaain



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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Thu Jan 25 01:29:06 2024
    danny burstein <[email protected]> writes:
    I recall Heinlein writing about a trip through Russia
    and mentioning a bunch of the locals talking excitedly
    about a bunch of Cosmonauts. And then, a day or two
    later, suddenly going silent.

    He took this as a possiblity of a failed Russian space mission
    that was quickly covered up.

    Anyone recall which book this was in?

    Tramp Royale.

    Rather a takeoff on Twain's _Innocents Abroad_.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jan 25 04:49:06 2024
    In article <uosecb$ll2$[email protected]>,
    danny burstein <[email protected]> wrote:
    In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ted Nolan ><tednolan>) writes:


    Probably '"PRAVDA" Means "TRUTH"' from _Expanded Universe_:

    [lots snipped]

    About noon on Sunday, May 15, we were walking downhill
    through the park surrounding the castle that dominates
    Vilno. We encountered a group of six or eight Red Army
    cadets. Foreigners are a great curiosity in Vilno. Almost
    no tourists go there. So they stopped and we chatted, myself
    through our guide and my wife directly, in Russian.

    Shortly one of the cadets asked us what we thought of their
    new manned rocket. We answered that we had had no news
    lately--what was it and when did it happen? He told us,
    with the other cadets listening and agreeing, that the
    rocket had gone up that very day, and at that very moment
    a Russian astronaut was in orbit around the earth--and what
    did we think of that?
    =====

    **THANKS** That was it!

    Please don't tell me you had those pages committed to memory...


    Calibre is a wonderful thing.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 25 08:50:27 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 00:44:14 +0000, danny burstein <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    I recall Heinlein writing about a trip through Russia
    and mentioning a bunch of the locals talking excitedly
    about a bunch of Cosmonauts. And then, a day or two
    later, suddenly going silent.

    He took this as a possiblity of a failed Russian space mission
    that was quickly covered up.

    Anyone recall which book this was in? Thanks

    <snippo>

    [a] [scibabe.com]

    MOS [Moment of Science] : The Lost Cosmonauts

    Every secretive government organization is followed by a void of
    unanswered questions, almost inevitably filled by conspiracy theories.
    Some folks will never believe the US landed a man on the Moon, but that it >was carried out on a soundstage. Alternatively, it was directed by Stanley >Kubrick who's such a perfectionist he demanded it be filmed on the Moon.

    I once saw a movie about this, involving a gummint agent sent to
    London to hire Kubrick to do just that -- as a backup in case the real
    deal got scrubbed. He ended up ticking off gangsters and using a very
    relaxed director. I found it entertaining. And a fantasy.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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