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O'REILLY: "Unresolved Problem" segment tonight, more racial unrest.
This time in Charlotte, North Carolina. One quick comment before we
get to the story. Every American police officer should know that any
mistake he or she makes involving violence toward a black suspect
will now become a national story. Therefore, restraint and caution
should be the order of the day. That being said, this program
generally supports the police because we well understand the danger
involved with the job. Last night in Charlotte, hundreds of people
protested, some of them unlawfully after police shot and killed 43-
year-old Keith Scott.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KERR PUTNEY, CHARLOTTE POLICE CHIEF: I can just tell you what I know
based on what we have gathered through the scientific process of
going through the evidence and we did find a weapon and the weapon
was there and the witnesses corroborated it, too.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


O'REILLY: Despite that protesters set fires, looted and blocked
Interstate 85. Some demonstrators actually threw rocks at police
causing at least 16 injuries. The vigilante action was justified by
an activist.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REV. B.J. MURPHY, NATION OF ISLAM: But what we are standing up for
now is our black manhood and our black people who are being gunned
down in the street and we don't get no justice.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'REILLY: Also in Tulsa, Oklahoma, another troubling situation this
time the black man shot dead 40-year-old Terrence Crutcher did not,
did not have a gun. Police say, he was acting suspiciously, may have
been intoxicated. However, Crutcher's family, lawyer, Benjamin Crump
says, the man was no threat to the cops at all. Both local and
federal investigators now examining the evidence.

With us now here in Los Angeles, Leo Terrell, a civil rights
attorney. Let's take Charlotte, first, if the dead man did have a
gun, all right, and it seems that he did, the protesters really have
no right to go out and do -- commit crimes themselves. I mean, I
don't mind them going out and saying we are upset. We would like to
know what happened. I think that I would do that. But to throw rocks
and to set fires and things like that, totally out.

LEO TERRELL, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Well, I agree with you throwing
the rocks is wrong. Just having a gun is not justified for shooting
or killing this man. Bill, we are assuming that this gun was posing
a threat to the officer.

O'REILLY: Right.

TERRELL: I cannot believe the police chief version of the facts. The
facts are not even in yet.

O'REILLY: Wait, wait, wait, wait. If the police chief says.

TERRELL: Yes.

O'REILLY: Which we all heard.

TERRELL: He wasn't there.

O'REILLY: The man had a gun.

TERRELL: Yes.

O'REILLY: All right. And witnesses corroborate that, which he said,
all right? Then, in a society that is built upon innocence until
proven guilty.

TERRELL: Yes.

O'REILLY: You must, at least, consider that a credible source.

TERRELL: Wouldn't you conclude that's a rush to judgment before 24
hour -- before a trial, before a D.A. gets involved?

O'REILLY: I want to see this case investigated and evidence.

TERRELL: Yes.

O'REILLY: But the protesters must abide or we have anarchy by the
innocent until proven guilty adage.

TERRELL: Bill, let me tell you the fundamental issue. We are talking
about the Carolina case first. But you know why they can't say the
thing about the Tulsa case because we have a video, we have a
camera. If we don't have a camera here in Carolina, that's why the
chief gets the liberty of saying, hey, everything was right. And I'm
telling you there is a problem. There is no.

O'REILLY: You are suspicious of the chief. All right. I'm saying
that he is entitled to the belief of what he is saying is true. But,
even if you're right that the police chief isn't being straight, all
right, the protesters have no right to go out and do vigilante
stuff, all right, at all in this case.

TERRELL: I'm not going to justify --

O'REILLY: There is reasonable doubt here.

TERRELL: I'm not going to justify the vigilante stuff. Bill
O'Reilly, can't you agree that with cameras we have learned that
police officers lie, they don't tell the truth?

O'REILLY: In certain cases that's absolutely true.

TERRELL: But why are we going to believe this police chief right
now?

O'REILLY: You have to.

TERRELL: It's a rush to judgment.

O'REILLY: No, it's not. You have to give him the presumption of
innocence like you give any citizen. Now, let's go to Oklahoma.

TERRELL: Okay.

O'REILLY: All right. So in Oklahoma, it's different.

TERRELL: Only because of a camera, Mr. O'Reilly.

O'REILLY: Well, wait, wait, wait. It's a different situation because
the man wasn't armed. It's not the camera. He didn't have a gun. And
the police chief there says that. He didn't have a gun. Okay. So now
you have a dead American citizen, all right, with no gun, and
obviously walking away from police, not confronting police, the
thing will all hinge around a window. And we are investigating this
case. We are not going to try it on TV. But we have some new
information on this tomorrow. But here, I agree that this is more
unsettling and that if you wanted to protest here, you have a little
bit higher ground than in Charlotte.

TERRELL: And the only reason why have a little higher ground is
because of that camera. Look, we wouldn't even know.

O'REILLY: Because he had no gun.

TERRELL: You know what would have happened if there was no camera.
Police ongoing investigation, we can't release the information.
That's the power of that video.

O'REILLY: No, it isn't. They could have said he had a gun in the
car, reaching the car. They could have been a whole bunch of things.
The fact of the matter is, the police in Tulsa were honest and they
said the man did not have a gun or deadly weapon.

TERRELL: The police officer in Tulsa have to be honest because they
were going to be impeached by the video. Bill, I'm going to tell you
right now. I'm not justifying the crime or the damage. I'm saying to
you that black people have a problem trusting the police and video
has proven that officers don't tell the truth. I have a sister in
the law enforcement.

O'REILLY: Some officers.

TERRELL: And it's the 97 percent of the good officers that protect
the three percent that are rotten to the core.

O'REILLY: So, if protesters know that these kind of aberrations, A,
shouldn't be tolerated, I agree with you, I mean, if police are
shooting down not only black but anybody for, you know, because they
are drunk, I mean, you can't do that. But, on the other hand, the
black community has to be somewhat restrained before it goes out and
starts burning things down.

TERRELL: Let me just give you one other point.

O'REILLY: Quick.

TERRELL: In that Tulsa case, remember the audio, that guy looks
dangerous. Why? Because he is black.

O'REILLY: No, because he was acting suspiciously. And they have a
right to say, he looks dangerous. They have a right to do that. They
have don't have a right to hurt him. And so, again, we have a follow
up on this thing tomorrow. It was good debating you.

TERRELL: My pleasure, Bill. Thank you.

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