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Ubiquitous <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]d wrote: >>>> On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 11:25:31 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote:

Actually, I always wondered why no one is fat in Star Trek, considering >>>>> their sedementary lifestyle.

The replicator provides low calories?

Holodeck food?

VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live >> indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it >> went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.

So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?

Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.

Then they had an episode where they were running out of food, but it didn’t occur to anybody to just go into the Irish pub holodeck program and eat and drink all you want.

Then they had their idiot chef Neelix take a shuttle down to every planet
they stopped at to forage for fresh vegetables because the replicators weren’t capable of making crisp celery. With a problem like that, I would also assume that the transporter would make their teeth the consistency of pudding.

That implies... hmm, I think it implies that the crew are being
converted to virtual avatars when they enter the holodeck. Perhaps it
also works the other way, which is how the holodeck creations can occasionally escape and materialize.

Sounds crazy, but is it that far removed from transporter technology?
That also converts matter into a virtual representation and back again.

On Voyager if you force quit a program with people in there, it kills them

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Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk- [email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
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VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it >>>> went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you >>>> should just die when you walked outside.

So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?

Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that >> it would kill you.

Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air,
four days without water, forty days without food."

Good point. They presumably aren’t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.

Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came
out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.

And yet they don’t use it when they’re having problems with the food supply outside the holo deck

Then they had an episode where they were running out of food, but it

didn?t

occur to anybody to just go into the Irish pub holodeck program and eat and >> drink all you want.

...but then there's that.

Perhaps time moves differently on the holodeck? Do we know for sure that
the people inside for weeks were gone from the outside for weeks?

Yes

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Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk- [email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>> message:

VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.

So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?

Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.

Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air,
four days without water, forty days without food."

Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.

Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came
out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.

And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply >> outside the holo deck

Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.

All the food replicators need is power. They don’t rearrange molecules.
They just use power to make something out of nothing.

However, the food replicators use a different kind of power than anything
else uses. The holodecks run on a different kind of power than the food replicators do. They can’t make real food.

I’m not sure how many different kinds of power Voyager requires, but they very definitely established that food replicator power is different than anything else on the ship.

I’m also not sure if nonfood replicators use the same power as food replicators.

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On Aug 12, 2025 at 12:13:13 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <[email protected]> wrote:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>> message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>>> message:

VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.

So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?

Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.

Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>> four days without water, forty days without food."

Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.

Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.

And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck

Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.

All the food replicators need is power. They don’t rearrange molecules. They just use power to make something out of nothing.

However, the food replicators use a different kind of power than anything else uses. The holodecks run on a different kind of power than the food replicators do. They can’t make real food.

I’m not sure how many different kinds of power Voyager requires, but they very definitely established that food replicator power is different than anything else on the ship.

Food replicator power is artificial. The rest of the ship runs on natural power.

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BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 12, 2025 at 12:13:13 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <[email protected]> wrote:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>> message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>>>> message:

VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.

So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?

Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.

Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>>> four days without water, forty days without food."

Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.

Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.

And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck

Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.

All the food replicators need is power. They don’t rearrange molecules.
They just use power to make something out of nothing.

However, the food replicators use a different kind of power than anything
else uses. The holodecks run on a different kind of power than the food
replicators do. They can’t make real food.

I’m not sure how many different kinds of power Voyager requires, but they >> very definitely established that food replicator power is different than
anything else on the ship.

Food replicator power is artificial. The rest of the ship runs on natural power.

Well, that explains why the water is always fresh



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Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <1827605190.776718401.734510.anim8rfsk- [email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:

All the food replicators need is power. They don?t rearrange molecules.
They just use power to make something out of nothing.

Well, that's certainly insane. The amount of energy needed to
materialize even a piece of toast... yeesh. They're probably using more energy on each evening's dinner than on warping around the galaxy.

Agreed, although since food replicator power isn’t good for any other use, why not.

Of course, that big question where does food replicator power come from in
the first place? Do they somehow harvest it from sunlight and then it’s
good for making toast but not for any other reason?

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On 8/12/2025 12:13 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <[email protected]l-
september.org>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
message:

Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>> message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>>>> message:

VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.

So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?

Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.

Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>>> four days without water, forty days without food."

Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.

Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.

And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck

Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.

No, wait, I've got it. It's a configurable option. You can have hard
light food when you want to pig out on steak and chocolate without
consequences, but have real food when you and your friends are spending
a whole weekend climbing a fake mountain.

If only the voyager “writers” had put this much effort into the show.

As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

Yes, it really was that stupid.

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Dimensional Traveler <[email protected]> wrote:

On 8/12/2025 12:13 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <[email protected]l-
september.org>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
message:

Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>> message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>>> message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>>>>> message:

VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.

So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?

Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.

Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>>>> four days without water, forty days without food."

Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are >>>>> living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.

Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.

And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck

Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability, >>>> but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.

No, wait, I've got it. It's a configurable option. You can have hard
light food when you want to pig out on steak and chocolate without
consequences, but have real food when you and your friends are spending
a whole weekend climbing a fake mountain.

If only the voyager “writers” had put this much effort into the show.

As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

Yes, it really was that stupid.

I think that qualifies me for Holodeck ice cream.

Judges?

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On 8/13/2025 3:50 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

Dimensional Traveler <[email protected]> wrote:

On 8/12/2025 12:13 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <[email protected]l-
september.org>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
message:

Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>> message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this >>>>>>> message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this
message:

VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.

So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?

Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.

Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without
food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>>>>> four days without water, forty days without food."

Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are >>>>>> living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.

Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>>>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.

And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck

Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability, >>>>> but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.

No, wait, I've got it. It's a configurable option. You can have hard
light food when you want to pig out on steak and chocolate without
consequences, but have real food when you and your friends are spending >>>> a whole weekend climbing a fake mountain.

If only the voyager “writers” had put this much effort into the show. >>>

As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

Yes, it really was that stupid.

I think that qualifies me for Holodeck ice cream.

Judges?

I'd pay but my holodeck will only supply peanut butter ice cream.

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