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"Disney and Universal sue AI firm Midjourney over images"

<https://www.google.com/search?q=midjourney+"a+bottomless+pit+of+plagiarism">

PKB??

Danke,

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Perhaps this embedded search link works better.

"Disney and Universal sue AI firm Midjourney over images"

<https://www.google.com/search?q=midjourney+%22a+bottomless+pit+of+plagiarism%22>

PKB??

Danke,

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 12:05:53 -0700, Tim Merrigan <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 6/14/2025 8:28 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 17:00:53 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/13/2025 11:24 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 15:49:55 -0000 (UTC), Don <[email protected]> wrote:

"Disney and Universal sue AI firm Midjourney over images"

<https://www.google.com/search?q=midjourney+"a+bottomless+pit+of+plagiarism">

PKB??

The link is to a Google search result. "PKB" does not occur on it, at
least not here.

Perhaps it would help if you specified the actual article (there are
at least four, possibly more) in which "PKB" occurs.

Most of what I am finding for "PKB" is from chemistry. I have doubts
about that being relevant.

PKB -> Pot. Kettle. Black.

That at least makes sense. If Disney/Pixar is in the plagiarism
business, that is.

Not that I am expressing an opinion about whether or not Midjourney's
AI is plagiaristic, BTW.

Disney has long been in the business of taking old classics and
copyrighting them as their own. Many of them not technically
plagiarism, since the originals were never copyrighted. Snow White and >Cinderella, to name two off the top of my head.

IANAL, but my understanding of this would be:
1. The stories as such are not copyrighted.
2. A particular book containing the stories may be copyrighted as
regards any essays, notes, illustrations, etc added to the book by its publisher.
3. A movie based on a book is copyrightable as such, whether the book
was copyrighted or not. Of course, if it was, the rights to make the
movie would have to be acquired.

Winny the Pooh, they bought the rights to, I don't know about Pinocchio
or James and the Giant Peach, though since Dahl was still alive when
they made JatGP, I assume there was some sort of negotiation.

There was a film about /Mary Poppins/, which had a pretty grim and
somewhat inexplicable backstory, but had the author at the premier
enjoying the film.

Enjoying it in an order never seen in an actual screening of the
movie. I mean, /really/, the people making this film couldn't have
watched the film whose making they were showing and put the segments
they used in their proper order?
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 11:49:50 +1200, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 2025-06-14 19:05:53 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:

On 6/14/2025 8:28 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 17:00:53 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/13/2025 11:24 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 15:49:55 -0000 (UTC), Don <[email protected]> wrote:

"Disney and Universal sue AI firm Midjourney over images"

<https://www.google.com/search?q=midjourney+"a+bottomless+pit+of+plagiarism">

PKB??

The link is to a Google search result. "PKB" does not occur on it, at >>>>> least not here.

Perhaps it would help if you specified the actual article (there are >>>>> at least four, possibly more) in which "PKB" occurs.

Most of what I am finding for "PKB" is from chemistry. I have doubts >>>>> about that being relevant.

PKB -> Pot. Kettle. Black.

That at least makes sense. If Disney/Pixar is in the plagiarism
business, that is.

Not that I am expressing an opinion about whether or not Midjourney's
AI is plagiaristic, BTW.

Disney has long been in the business of taking old classics and
copyrighting them as their own. Many of them not technically
plagiarism, since the originals were never copyrighted. Snow White and
Cinderella, to name two off the top of my head.

Winny the Pooh, they bought the rights to, I don't know about Pinocchio
or James and the Giant Peach, though since Dahl was still alive when
they made JatGP, I assume there was some sort of negotiation.

Winnie the Pooh itself is no longer copyright (expired in 2022), so
Disney doesn't own those now. Hence the idiotic "Blood and Honey"
horror movie version made recently. Disney does still own the copyright
to their version of Winnie the Pooh though.

Similarly, Disney doesn't own the copyrights to the older stoires of >Cinderlla, Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi, etc. Disney only owns the
cpyrights for their own versions of those.

Roald Dahl refused to sell the movie rights for any of his works after
the "saccharine, sappy, and sentimental" mistreatment of the Charlie
and the Chocolate Factory movie with Gene Wilder.

<original para split>

And with good reason.

<original para continues>

After he died, his
widow sold the James and the Giant Peach movie rights to Disney (she
offered them to other movie companies as well, but accepted Disney's >agreement) - she said Roald would have liked the movie, which is
doubtful. In 2021 the Dahl family sold the copyrights for all his works
to Netflix in 2021 for around US$500million.

Here's hoping Netflix does a good job with them.
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 13:22:48 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

<snip>

Disney, however, takes great works and ruins them. That's my objection. >Whoever decided to tack a happy ending on to Hunchback of Notre Dame deserves >to be thrown in the catacombs.

20,00 Leagues Under the Sea is a bit of an oddity in that Nemo is much
nastier than in the book, and the ending was changed so that Nemo died
despite surviving until "The Mysterious Island" book-wise. Imagine
that nowadays, where the norm is to leave an opening for sequels.

To counterbalance this, Disney did, of course, add some songs and
slapstick humour via Douglas and Lorre's supporting characters.


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Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

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Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:

So you can complain about the ending if you wish, but your complaint
applies to all the movie versions the person doing this could find and >watch.=20

The ending in the "regular" movie, the one with Lon Chaney, is
pretty screwy too, having been very cleaned up, but at least it's not
upbeat and happy.
--scott


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In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:

IIRC, at least one attibutes the story to a French author in the
titles.

Disney does appear to prefer the French versions to the German
versions. No evil stepsisters getting their eyes pecked out by birds
in Disney!

[Hal Heydt]
The key is in the "glass" slipper. In the original is was "vair"
(fur, specifically squirrel) that got typo'd to "ver" (glass).
(I'm more or less quoting Dorothy for that.)

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