• PPb: At the New Year / Kenneth Patchen

    From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 1 11:23:09 2023
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    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Sun Jan 1 19:49:43 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Mon Jan 2 05:20:31 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    Like I said before the trolls arrived, thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.

    HTH and HAND.

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George Dance on Tue Jan 3 12:29:45 2023
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    George Dance wrote:

    On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 12:25:14 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems
    Like I said before the trolls arrived, thanks for posting this poem, George. >> I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    HTH and HAND.

    I can't remember reading any of Patchen's poetry previously. I plan to read more of his work this year, now that it's in the public domain here. I found this poem by pure coincidence, or perhaps it was synergy: I discovered it on the a webpage of New
    Year's poems the day after I'd discovered that it would be out of copyright here on New Year's Day.

    The subject seems the same as Roberts's poem that I ran on New Year's Eve -- a bell peals out 12 times at midnight, cutting through the quiet or drowning out the normal background noises, and getting the poet to start thinking about philosophical
    questions. The only reason I couldn't have used Patchen's poem on New Year's Eve, instead of Roberts's, is because back then Patchen's was still in copyright.

    This is good, Allen Ginsberg gives his thoughts on Kenneth Patchen, and compares his poetry with the poetry of Jack Kerouac:

    https://allenginsberg.org/2015/06/jack-kerouac-and-kenneth-patchen/

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to George Dance on Tue Jan 3 18:56:10 2023
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    George Dance wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:47:12 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen..html

    #pennyspoems
    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    Never read him but looks GREAT....

    https://pleasekillme.com/kenneth-patchen-rebel-poet/

    ******************** Poet, artist, performer, pacifist and visionary, Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972) was the closest thing America had to a William Blake. He was, in the words of biographer Larry Smith, the ‘Rebel Poet of America,” influencing the
    likes of Henry Miller, young Beat poets such as Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure and Gary Snyder and, later, Jim Morrison and Richard Brautigan. *****************

    ******************** Kenneth Patchen may have wielded more influence on two generations’ worth of our counterculture than any other poet you’ve never heard of. He had a hippie pacifist sensibility 30 years before the hippies existed and a Beat
    Generation aura a decade before that term was common coinage. ********************************

    ****************************** part of a vibrant literary scene that included Kenneth Rexroth, Lawrence Ferlinghetti (who would publish some of Patchen’s work on his City Lights imprint), Josephine Miles (poet-in-residence at UCal-Berkeley), Philip
    Lamantia, Michael McClure, Gary Snyder, Allen Ginsberg, and Peter Orlovsky. As early as the late 1940s, Patchen was performing his poetry to jazz accompaniment ***********************************

    Good find, Zod. That makes Patchen look like an important historical figure indeed. I think I may quote some of that on his PPP page.


    Agreed, Patchen was considered essential reading to the 1970s latter-day Beats.

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to Will Dockery on Wed Jan 4 21:38:49 2023
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    Will Dockery wrote:

    George Dance wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:47:12 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen..html

    #pennyspoems
    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    Never read him but looks GREAT....

    https://pleasekillme.com/kenneth-patchen-rebel-poet/

    ******************** Poet, artist, performer, pacifist and visionary, Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972) was the closest thing America had to a William Blake. He was, in the words of biographer Larry Smith, the ‘Rebel Poet of America,” influencing the
    likes of Henry Miller, young Beat poets such as Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure and Gary Snyder and, later, Jim Morrison and Richard Brautigan. *****************

    ******************** Kenneth Patchen may have wielded more influence on two generations’ worth of our counterculture than any other poet you’ve never heard of. He had a hippie pacifist sensibility 30 years before the hippies existed and a Beat
    Generation aura a decade before that term was common coinage. ********************************

    ****************************** part of a vibrant literary scene that included Kenneth Rexroth, Lawrence Ferlinghetti (who would publish some of Patchen’s work on his City Lights imprint), Josephine Miles (poet-in-residence at UCal-Berkeley), Philip
    Lamantia, Michael McClure, Gary Snyder, Allen Ginsberg, and Peter Orlovsky. As early as the late 1940s, Patchen was performing his poetry to jazz accompaniment ***********************************

    Good find, Zod. That makes Patchen look like an important historical figure indeed. I think I may quote some of that on his PPP page.


    Agreed, Patchen was considered essential reading to the 1970s latter-day Beats.


    Cool... cool... as you know I mainly began reading the Beatnik writers after meeting you, Doc...

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to Zod on Thu Jan 5 00:00:10 2023
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    On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:47:12 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems
    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    Never read him but looks GREAT....

    https://pleasekillme.com/kenneth-patchen-rebel-poet/

    ******************** Poet, artist, performer, pacifist and visionary, Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972) was the closest thing America had to a William Blake. He was, in the words of biographer Larry Smith, the ‘Rebel Poet of America,” influencing the
    likes of Henry Miller, young Beat poets such as Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure and Gary Snyder and, later, Jim Morrison and Richard Brautigan. *****************

    ******************** Kenneth Patchen may have wielded more influence on two generations’ worth of our counterculture than any other poet you’ve never heard of. He had a hippie pacifist sensibility 30 years before the hippies existed and a Beat
    Generation aura a decade before that term was common coinage. ********************************

    ****************************** part of a vibrant literary scene that included Kenneth Rexroth, Lawrence Ferlinghetti (who would publish some of Patchen’s work on his City Lights imprint), Josephine Miles (poet-in-residence at UCal-Berkeley), Philip
    Lamantia, Michael McClure, Gary Snyder, Allen Ginsberg, and Peter Orlovsky. As early as the late 1940s, Patchen was performing his poetry to jazz accompaniment ***********************************

    I sense a bit of friction between Ginsberg and Patchen also, though:

    ***

    https://allenginsberg.org/2015/06/jack-kerouac-and-kenneth-patchen/

    Student: Would you put down Kenneth Patchen’s The Journal of Albion Midnight in that kind of (internalized subjective exploration) category?

    AG: I haven’t read it in so long, but I think that The Journal of Albion Moonlight does not quite have as much central focus point. See, this whole book (Kerouac’s Mexico City Blues) is about the mind and the language of the mind, the language that
    you hear in the mind. I don’t remember what the subject of.. Journal of Albion Moonlight was, but I have a feeling it was just quixotic thoughts, and quixotic, somewhat sterile, and Romantic literary stereotypes – or, more, like in William Saroyan, a
    certain amount of Romanticism that isn’t painted after the nature of the mind, so, a sort of idealistic Romanticism. But here, Kerouac (with elements of Saroyan too) has gone back to use the mind as source for his babble, use the actual mind as source
    for his babble, rather than more conscious composition, I think.I’m not sure how you’d make the distinction. I have a feeling of Kerouac’s stuff that it’s real actual real-mind thoughts. I have a feeling about ..Journal of Albion Moonlight, that
    it’s more artificially literary – the original subject was not his actual consciousness. It wasn’t a graph of his consciousness, was it? (I may be wrong, because I haven’t read it in so long)

    ***

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to Will Dockery on Thu Jan 5 22:31:23 2023
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    Will Dockery wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.


    Right on...!

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Sun Jan 8 19:38:55 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    I consider this t be the discovery of the year, to me, at least.... I have a great deal to learn from this poet....

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George Dance on Sun Jan 15 03:42:32 2023
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    George Dance wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]

    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html >>>
    #pennyspoems

    Like I said before the trolls arrived, thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.

    HTH and HAND.


    I can't remember reading any of Patchen's poetry previously. I plan to read more of his work this year, now that it's in the public domain here. I found this poem by pure coincidence, or perhaps it was synergy: I discovered it on the a webpage of New
    Year's poems the day after I'd discovered that it would be out of copyright here on New Year's Day.


    The subject seems the same as Roberts's poem that I ran on New Year's Eve -- a bell peals out 12 times at midnight, cutting through the quiet or drowning out the normal background noises, and getting the poet to start thinking about philosophical
    questions. The only reason I couldn't have used Patchen's poem on New Year's Eve, instead of Roberts's, is because back then Patchen's was still in copyright.

    So, Kenneth Patchen became public domain at a really good time, and so this is the time to bring him out of his relative obscurity.

    🙂

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George Dance on Sat Jan 21 09:56:46 2023
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    George Dance wrote:

    On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 5:35:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George Dance wrote:

    On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 12:25:14 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems
    Like I said before the trolls arrived, thanks for posting this poem, George.
    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    HTH and HAND.

    I can't remember reading any of Patchen's poetry previously. I plan to read more of his work this year, now that it's in the public domain here. I found this poem by pure coincidence, or perhaps it was synergy: I discovered it on the a webpage of
    New Year's poems the day after I'd discovered that it would be out of copyright here on New Year's Day.

    The subject seems the same as Roberts's poem that I ran on New Year's Eve -- a bell peals out 12 times at midnight, cutting through the quiet or drowning out the normal background noises, and getting the poet to start thinking about philosophical
    questions. The only reason I couldn't have used Patchen's poem on New Year's Eve, instead of Roberts's, is because back then Patchen's was still in copyright.
    I still haven't looked for my one collection by Patchen in my shelves in the shed (I suspect it will be near my only Gary Snyder collection, both read around 1975)

    I'll check my copy of "The Beat Reader" when I get back to the office, as there is apparently "some" Kenneth Patchen poetry contained there.

    No, apparently not, after all:

    https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2351079975

    Maya Day's Reviews > The Portable Beat Reader:

    "You can't have a Beat reader, have a "San Francisco Renaissance" section and not have Kenneth Patchen =]
    And so it goes.

    :)

    I had an "unknown" reader comment on the blog, saying was glad to read it as he hadn't read any Patchen in a long time; so I told him about the p.d. status, and that he could expect more over the year. I did find one more -- a poem called "Winter" --
    which I'll slot in most likely in early March. (I don't want to keep running the same poets every month, except when they've written a calendar of poems.)


    I wonder what Gary Snyder's copyright situation is in Canada, and whether he has a poem to fit the seasonal theme if his poetry has gone into public domain.

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Sun Jan 22 18:45:11 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    Looking through the City Lights Books catalog last night I see that Kenneth Patchen is in the pocket poets series published by Lawrence Ferlinghetti, probably the collection I have, as I read as many of those books as I could back in the 1970s.

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Mon Jan 23 21:31:01 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    Jazz Poetry...!

    Kenneth Patchen ‎– Reads His Poetry with the Chamber Jazz Sextet (1957)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVJVMcJ8vR0

    1. The Murder of Two Men by a Young Kid Wearing Lemon Colored Gloves
    2. State of the Nation
    3. Do the Dead Know what Time it is?
    4. And with the Sorrows of this Joyousness
    5. The Lute in the Attic
    6. Lonesome Boy Blues
    7. Limericks
    8. I Went To The City

    ****

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to Zod on Sun Jan 29 06:28:24 2023
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    Zod wrote:

    On Sunday, January 14, 2023 at 11:23:11 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html >>
    #pennyspoems

    Reading more Patchen today...

    https://www.poetryoutloud.org/poet/kenneth-patchen/
    ..
    ************ An inspiration for the Beat Generation and a true “people’s poet,” Kenneth Patchen was a prolific writer, visual artist and performer whose exuberant, free-form productions celebrate spontaneity and attack injustices, materialism,
    and war. Born in Niles, Ohio, he was an avid reader as a child and kept a diary from an early age; later he traveled throughout the United States, meeting a wide range of people and having the experiences he would explore in his prose and poetry. Patchen
    was also one of the first poets to read his work to a background of jazz. ******************

    Definitely an interesting figure deserving of a wider audience.

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Sun Jan 29 22:19:45 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    I see that Kenneth Patchen was number 13 in Lawrence Ferlinghetti's Pocket Poets series, probably where I read him, as I was collecting those volumes in the mid 1970s.

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to George Dance on Fri Feb 3 22:08:23 2023
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    George Dance wrote:

    On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 12:25:14 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems
    Like I said before the trolls arrived, thanks for posting this poem, George. >> I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    HTH and HAND.

    I can't remember reading any of Patchen's poetry previously. I plan to read more of his work this year, now that it's in the public domain here. I found this poem by pure coincidence, or perhaps it was synergy: I discovered it on the a webpage of New
    Year's poems the day after I'd discovered that it would be out of copyright here on New Year's Day.

    The subject seems the same as Roberts's poem that I ran on New Year's Eve -- a bell peals out 12 times at midnight, cutting through the quiet or drowning out the normal background noises, and getting the poet to start thinking about philosophical
    questions. The only reason I couldn't have used Patchen's poem on New Year's Eve, instead of Roberts's, is because back then Patchen's was still in copyright.

    This was a good read....

    https://muse.jhu.edu/article/654975/summary

    *****************************************************************

    In lieu of an abstract, here is a brief excerpt of the content:
    The Jazz-Poetry Connection Barry Wallenstein This is the final part of a two-part essay on jazz-poetry. The first part appeared in PAJ 11 (Volume IV, Numbers 1 and 2). Considering the long history of jazz-poetry, no two figures dominate its modern phase
    as do Kenneth Patchen and Kenneth Rexroth. In the 1950s, bop was the emergent jazz form, and jazz talk was a potent force, a magical language for the new poets. Those poets who were stylistically opposed to the allusive and intellectualized work of the
    Pound-Eliot school seemed to gravitate towards jazz rhythms and the poetic language of jazz. So while Langston Hughes [see PAJ 11] was actually transmitting that language into his verse, thus preserving an ethnic tradition, Rexroth, Patchen, and the
    entire school of beat poets developed a separate and distinct poetry. That is to say, their poetry was less derived from the folk tradition than from the poet's ego. They did, however, still reflect the tradition Hughes defines so clearly by
    incorporating the idiom of the jazz man and, of course, the rhythms of the music. Both Langston Hughes and Kenneth Patchen were poets of the 1930s-the "years of protest" in the arts and politics, and both sympathized with the leftist thinking of the
    proletarian movement. Hughes brought ethnic consciousness to the general awakening of the white intelligentsia, while Patchen started as an iconoclast or radical. As readers of the famous "Joe Hill Listens to the Praying" know, Patchen is a writer of
    social consciousness. In 1958 Kenneth Rexroth published an appreciative essay on Patchen's work and verbalized a theme of the 1950s: "There is no place for a poet in American 122 society." Yet Rexroth goes on: "The bobby-soxers do love him. Against a
    conspiracy of silence of the whole of literary America, Patchen has become the laureate of the doomed youth of the third world war. He is the most widely read younger poet in the country." The idiosyncratic speech of his poetry and what Rexroth called
    his "integrity and moral earnestness" place him in a line of independent voices that loosely stretches from Whitman through Vachel Lindsay and Carl Sandburg-all people's poets. But more than these others and even more than Rexroth, Patchen stands with
    the anti-literature writers, the mavericks such as Henry Miller who more or less worked in isolation from trends and movements. Patchen's first recording of jazz and poetry came out around the time of Rexroth 's essay about him. Either Rexroth hadn't yet
    heard the record or chose not to comment. I must believe the former for once heard the record demands attention. The poet recites or half sings a wide range of his poems, all of which appear in the 3rd edition of his Selected Poems. The music on the
    record is by Allyn Ferguson and his Chamber Jazz Sextet. It often sounds like a swing band, with the solos introduced in the manner of the big band. There is also the suggestion of the "cool" style of a Miles Davis. More than any other attempt at
    combining poetry with music, Patchen's record achieves a genuine synthesis and a varied sound. In the liner notes, Ferguson discussed the "pact" between himself and the poet: When first discussing the possibility of setting poetry to jazz, Kenneth and I
    agreed that the usual procedure of setting text to music would have to be abandoned. The final product, we felt, should be conceived in terms of the poet's interpretation of the text. It seemed evident, however, that the music would be quite unnecessary
    were there no attempt to bring about a meaningful union between the two mediums. We decided, therefore, to tape-record the readings and underscore them. This procedure would have the double value of retaining the spontaneity of original reading while
    still allowing freedom for the creation of a significant musical entity. The music, then, was composed to the poet's readings-and designed to fortify the emotional content of the poetry. It is ironic that Ferguson goes on to call their fusion a new
    medium, for it really had precedents in the...

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to General-Zod on Wed Feb 8 13:05:35 2023
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    General-Zod wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:

    George Dance wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:47:12 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen..html

    #pennyspoems
    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    Never read him but looks GREAT....

    https://pleasekillme.com/kenneth-patchen-rebel-poet/

    ******************** Poet, artist, performer, pacifist and visionary, Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972) was the closest thing America had to a William Blake. He was, in the words of biographer Larry Smith, the ‘Rebel Poet of America,” influencing the
    likes of Henry Miller, young Beat poets such as Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure and Gary Snyder and, later, Jim Morrison and Richard Brautigan. *****************

    ******************** Kenneth Patchen may have wielded more influence on two generations’ worth of our counterculture than any other poet you’ve never heard of. He had a hippie pacifist sensibility 30 years before the hippies existed and a Beat
    Generation aura a decade before that term was common coinage. ********************************

    ****************************** part of a vibrant literary scene that included Kenneth Rexroth, Lawrence Ferlinghetti (who would publish some of Patchen’s work on his City Lights imprint), Josephine Miles (poet-in-residence at UCal-Berkeley),
    Philip Lamantia, Michael McClure, Gary Snyder, Allen Ginsberg, and Peter Orlovsky. As early as the late 1940s, Patchen was performing his poetry to jazz accompaniment ***********************************

    Good find, Zod. That makes Patchen look like an important historical figure indeed. I think I may quote some of that on his PPP page.


    Agreed, Patchen was considered essential reading to the 1970s latter-day Beats.


    Cool... cool... as you know I mainly began reading the Beatnik writers after meeting you, Doc...


    Check out the artificial intelligence experiments with Beat poetry:

    https://www.beatdom.com/chatgpt/

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to W.Dockery on Fri Feb 10 10:06:20 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:10:16 AM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
    General-Zod wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:

    George Dance wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:47:12 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote: >>>> > George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen..html

    #pennyspoems
    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    Never read him but looks GREAT....

    https://pleasekillme.com/kenneth-patchen-rebel-poet/

    ******************** Poet, artist, performer, pacifist and visionary, Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972) was the closest thing America had to a William Blake. He was, in the words of biographer Larry Smith, the ‘Rebel Poet of America,” influencing
    the likes of Henry Miller, young Beat poets such as Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure and Gary Snyder and, later, Jim Morrison and Richard Brautigan. *****************

    ******************** Kenneth Patchen may have wielded more influence on two generations’ worth of our counterculture than any other poet you’ve never heard of. He had a hippie pacifist sensibility 30 years before the hippies existed and a Beat
    Generation aura a decade before that term was common coinage. ********************************

    ****************************** part of a vibrant literary scene that included Kenneth Rexroth, Lawrence Ferlinghetti (who would publish some of Patchen’s work on his City Lights imprint), Josephine Miles (poet-in-residence at UCal-Berkeley),
    Philip Lamantia, Michael McClure, Gary Snyder, Allen Ginsberg, and Peter Orlovsky. As early as the late 1940s, Patchen was performing his poetry to jazz accompaniment ***********************************

    Good find, Zod. That makes Patchen look like an important historical figure indeed. I think I may quote some of that on his PPP page.


    Agreed, Patchen was considered essential reading to the 1970s latter-day Beats.


    Cool... cool... as you know I mainly began reading the Beatnik writers after meeting you, Doc...
    Check out the artificial intelligence experiments with Beat poetry:

    https://www.beatdom.com/chatgpt/

    ***DISCLAIMER: THE FOLLOWING POEM IS ENTIRELY FICTIONAL. ANY SIMILARITIES TO PERSON OR PERSONS LIVING OR DEAD IS PURELY COINCIDENTAL.***

    THE SAGA OF JORDAN T. CHASESCOTT

    Uncle Isaac took his belt
    And gave Young Jordy 40 welts.
    Jordy grew to like the whacks
    And Uncle Isaac’s touching acts.

    Isaac Chase thought that Jordy was cute
    'Specially dressed in his new birthday suit,
    Isaac squeezed his love handles
    Then blew out his candles,
    Bent over and let out a "Toot!"

    Isaac pulled his nephew's pid
    Sucked him dry then tongued his hole;
    Nephew Jordy was just a kid
    When he first straddled Isaac's pole.

    Isaac rode Jordy bareback at seven
    And cornholed him big-time at eight
    He left him creampied at eleven
    And went back home to masturbate.

    Isaac groped little Jordy on Friday
    Isaac sucked him off Saturday night
    Isaac fucked Jordy six times on Sunday
    Yeah, his weekend was going alright.

    There's only on "t" in "Sonnet."

    Isaac nailed Jordy on summer's day.
    Beneath the willow by the backdoor gate:
    He squeezed his lovebuds, then he had his way
    But quick release cut all too short the date;
    Sometime too hot the elder Chase becomes
    And often spills his load ere passion's dimm'd;
    Where is the joy in picking Jordy's plums
    Or planting kisses in his grass untrimm'd
    When shorts are cream'd and flaccid members fail?
    Thou Jordy's willing, Ike gave up the ghost;
    Still discontent, he fondles Jordy's tale,
    For tis the ass enamors him the most:
    So long as Isaac still has eyes to see,
    He'll strap one one and stick it to Jordy.

    Isaac chased boys when he was a toddler
    He chased toddlers when he went school,
    He made brownies with them as a young man,
    Stirred their pudding until he would drool.

    Isaac chased little boys on the playground
    Although he was a middle aged man,
    Donkey punched till his mudpacker turned brown
    Tho he preferred to say it was tan.
    The Jordy Factor
    a poem by Will Dockery as told to NancyGene

    Jordy’s a good sub for dead Lady K
    He jiggles his ass and says it’s foreplay
    with my massive moobs that even young Clay
    has to admit that he’d like to sashay
    in the chorus that kicks on LeGents parquet
    floor where Jordy and I rolled ‘round in May
    when he visited us to show us his fey
    manners and though his family’s rich, hey,
    I’m not too proud to say that I’d lay
    him for free and he won’t have to pay
    for extras like hi there’s, night-nights and oy veys.

    Isaac Chase was a pixie I knew
    Who diddled his widdle nephew,
    Jordy pulled Isaac's pud
    But his pud was a dud
    And now poor Isaac's sack has turned blue.

    When Jordy was just a wee laddie
    He'd pull down his pants for his daddy,
    Uncle paid him a call
    And buggered him raw
    And Jordy cried "Uncle Ike had me."

    Isaac had a young nephew named Jordy
    Whose tuchus he simply adored, he
    Got Jordy to bare it
    That he might then share it
    And buggered the boy while he roared "Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!"

    Uncle Isaac didn't care for his mommy,
    His classmates found him a bit balmy;
    It was said that the lad
    Flicked his Bic for his dad:
    Now chows on Nephew Jordy's shalomi.

    Uncle Isaac desired little boys
    He thought Jordy had exquisite poise
    For a boy not yet ten
    (He preferred boys to men)
    And a man must have what he enjoys.

    Little Jordy was sugar and spice
    So his old uncle didn't think twice
    About dipping his pole
    In young Jordy's piehole,
    Boston cream never seemed worth the price.

    Uncle Isaac's an internet troll
    Who fingered his nephew's dunghole,
    Isaac stuck in his thumb
    And made Jordy cum
    And cried "Hola, Will -- I'm on a role!"

    Isaac corked up Jordy Chase's bunghole,
    Chocolate cha-cha'd til morning was nigh;
    Gave his nephew a sloppy Picaso
    He's a fart knockin', mud packin' guy.

    Jordy Chase bought his uncle a butt plug
    In the hope that he'd leave him alone;
    Isaac plugged up his hole
    And such joy filled his soul
    That he plugged Jordy's hole with his own.

    Uncle Isaac's a middle aged twit
    Who's been found competently unfit,
    For it's said he enjoys
    Gallivanting with boys
    And dipping his dick in their shit.

    Isaac buggered Jordy in the bedroom
    Isaac buggered Jordy in the car
    Isaac buggered Jordy in the Men's Room
    Of LeGents', Shadowville's favorite bar.

    Uncle Isaac chased Jordy around his first crib,
    Uncle Isaac "fed" Jordy and splooged on his bib,
    Isaac changed Jordy's diapers for open-crotch hose
    Then he buggered the toddler and jizzed on his nose.

    Isaac cornswabbled his nephew's dinky
    Pulled his joystick as if he played Pong;
    Dipped his poo jabber till it got stinky
    And nicknamed his dong "Donkey Kong."

    When Jordan Chasescott was a lad
    His Uncle Ike wanted him bad,
    With the youth in his sights
    Isaac gave up his nights
    To baby sit straddling his 'nads.

    Uncle Isaac was more like an ant
    Who would crawl down young Jordy’s pants.
    Jordy’d wiggle and scratch
    But Isaac attached
    Himself with coagulants.

    Uncle Isaac ignored his niece, Judy,
    Who didn’t have quite the same booty.
    So Judy was spared,
    And stood there and stared,
    While Jordy got it in the patootie.

    When Jordy went on Price is Right
    His bung-hole shown like a nightlight.
    He said it was Uncle
    Ike and Garfuckles
    Who implanted in him a Lite-Brite.

    Uncle Isaac hosted family for Easter.
    He told his sister he’d feast her.
    They ate honey baked ham
    And rack of young lamb
    While Isaac dined on Jordy’s keister.

    Isaac Chased Jordan Chasescott
    From when he was just a young tot.
    Isaac gave him a ball
    and that wasn’t all,
    for his undies had X marks the spot.

    Uncle Isaac would pat Jordy’s buttock
    And soothe him to sleep with some smut talk.
    As Joey took vids
    And entertained bids,
    Little Jordy’s cradle would rock.

    Uncle Isaac said let’s play Cowboys,
    For riding is one of my joys.
    I’ll be Roy, you’ll be Trigger,
    As we gallop with vigor,
    And Jordy, you’ll make whinny noise.

    Isaac liked his nephew Jordy’s rear view,
    From whence Jordy did his #2.
    Jordy did #1
    And Isaac said, son,
    That not what we Commies doo-doo.

    Jordan Chasescott had a gluteus--
    That Uncle Isaac said was beauteous.
    Isaac said drop your pants,
    Give your Uncle a chance,
    To give you a rub that’s salubrious.

    Uncle Isaac and Jordan would read nursery rhymes
    About Commies and sex and YouTube crimes.
    Jordy learned about jails
    And Joey’s porn sales
    While Isaac performed pantomimes.

    Isaac Chase’s “love dared not speak its name”
    So Jordan was written into Internet fame.
    Isaac thanked Will and Zod
    And committed job fraud
    While Jordan Chasescott bore the shame.

    Jordan Chasescott was naïve
    Of what Isaac hid up his sleeve.
    Isaac gave him a bath
    While he did the math
    That at least he wouldn’t conceive.

    Little Jordan Chasescott lost his way.
    Uncle Isaac yelled, “I’ll save the day!”
    “Take off your pants
    And I’ll do a belt Dance
    On your butt ‘til you can say
    Uncle!”

    Jordan Chasescott’s derriere
    Would get lots of sun and fresh air.
    Uncle Isaac would blow
    And Jordan would know
    That he didn’t need any beachwear.

    Isaac Chase was childlike and hopeless
    And hung out with folks who were soapless.
    Isaac took Jordy’s hand
    And said I’m your man,
    But no one can make me grope you less.

    Jordan sits in Isaac’s lap while they drive,
    Isaac is 49 and Jordy’s 25.
    Jordy said it’s U-turn,
    Isaac said how I burn
    To lay rubber on I-95.

    Jordan Chasescott was expertly groomed
    After visiting Isaac’s bedroom.
    Jordan had a strong yen
    To trade Barbies for Ken
    And to keep his small tuchus perfumed.

    Stout Joseph was pen-pals with “Price is Right” Jordan.
    Chasescott Jordan offered photos to Stout Joseph’s warden.
    Pics of Will Dockery
    Made Stout Joe a mockery,
    Since his dad wore just a bleue cordon.

    Jordan Chasescott would cover his hiney,
    But his Uncle still wanted to dine, he
    Would tell Jord, “Look squirrel!”
    Jordan’s pink toes would curl,
    And Uncle’d declare that was fine eats.

    Isaac Chase tried to buy his young nephew,
    But his sister wouldn’t sell and was deaf to
    Isaac’s sad pleas
    To give Jordy a squeeze,
    So Isaac nailed him and said “Guess who?”

    Young Jordy wished to play with some girls,
    But Isaac said girls make me hurl.
    You should have a guy
    And then you’ll know why
    I dress you in ruffles and pearls.

    Jordan Chasescott tried to be what he’s not.
    Uncle Isaac told him that to be gay was hot.
    Isaac Chase said come here
    And I’ll fondle your rear--
    You’ll remember the things you forgot.

    Isaac Chase dearly loved his nephew and tried
    To kiss Jordan Chasescott’s tiny backside.
    Jordan said, Uncle Ike,
    Could I have a new bike?
    So Isaac gave him a banana seat ride.

    Jordan scorned warnings and read
    Playboy Magazines stashed by his bed.
    Uncle Isaac then stressed
    Don’t look at a breast:
    I have Playgirl for you instead.

    Jordan Chasescott was teenaged,
    And therefore his Chase hormones raged.
    Uncle Isaac said, “Yes,
    You look great in that dress,”
    And thus Jordan’s doubts were assuaged.

    Uncle Isaac Chase worked a part-time job,
    And the rest of the day his body would throb
    For his Nephew Jordan,
    And in Nephews he scored in,
    The most views of Jordan’s hobnob.

    Uncle Isaac Chase was in great haste
    To see that Jordan was disgraced.
    Isaac said his hellos
    To Zod-Dockery beaus
    And Jordan Chasescott was debased.

    Uncle Isaac L. Chase had a goal:
    To occupy Jordan’s butt hole.
    Isaac Chase said, “Bend over
    There’s a rare 4-leaf clover,”
    And Nature walks soon took their toll.

    Isaac Chase liked playing physician
    With Jordan Chasescott’s health condition.
    Isaac said, “Don this gown,
    On the table face down,
    And Jordan lost all inhibitions.

    Isaac told Jordan he’d teach him to shoot
    And to fish and to dive so he wore his swim suit.
    Jordan brought his cap gun
    But he was outdone
    When Isaac shot up his patoot.

    Jordan complained his dear Uncle
    Would stick to him like a carbuncle.
    Jordan Chasescott would cry
    When Uncle Isaac would try
    To sneak into Jordan’s bed bunkle.

    Isaac Chase liked school and the Weekly Reader.
    Isaac ate up the tales of Johnny the Apple Seeder.
    Then Jordan Chasescott was born,
    And Isaac was torn
    Between fruit and bottom-feeder.

    The Chase family loved Isaac’s work.
    He could have stayed home, just a jerk.
    But he worked phones part time
    And earned him a dime,
    And Jordan Chasescott was a perk.

    Uncle Isaac knocked on Jordy’s door,
    Said they’d reenact Chase family noir.
    Uncle Isaac said come,
    But Jordan had none,
    For Jordan was a mere child of four.

    Jordan Chasescott was LinkedIn
    To the Isaac L. Chase den of sin.
    Isaac said we’ll resume
    Work in my bedroom
    And Jordan learned market penetration.

    Uncle Isaac took Jordy to see
    The statue of David in Italy
    Isaac said the male nude
    Put him in the mood
    And Jordy’s fig leaf was so wee.

    Isaac and Jordan wore pjs
    Which made it convenient for bjs.
    There were traps front and back
    Which dropped with a whack,
    So that Isaac could teach Jordan 3 ways.

    When Isaac was at Jordy’s home,
    His fingers and hands ached to roam.
    He said, “Jordy, the magic is
    In all my adjectives,
    And you’ll be my no comments poem.”

    Jordy was home on the range
    Where he and Uncle Isaac would play.
    They’d also play deer rut
    And Jordy’s little red butt
    Would be sore and dark cloudy all day.

    Jordan would sing “Happy Trails,”
    But Isaac would say “Happy Tails.”
    When Jordan got gas,
    Isaac pinched his sweet ass.
    We don’t need to give more details.

    Uncle Isaac enjoyed babysitting
    And his devotion was unremitting.
    He would treat Jordan’s butt
    Like a chocolate doughnut
    And polish it off lick and splitting.

    Jordan Chasescott liked to read
    Uncle Isaac’s Communist creed.
    Jordan said let’s be poor
    And Isaac said, more,
    We’ll share your butt according to need.

    Uncle Isaac bought a Chinese balloon
    And gave it to Jordan for his room.
    Jordan flew it over the U.S.
    And it was shot down as the newest
    Blow toy that made Isaac swoon.

    Isaac L. Chase researched YouTube
    But not for looking at big boobs.
    Isaac said, my dear Jordan,
    I’ve already stored in
    You a lifetime of oil change and lubes.

    Isaac L. Chase reached out far
    To make young Jordan a star.
    Ike encouraged porn poetry,
    Despite knowing that he
    Was publishing Jordan’s memoir.

    Jordan Chasescott liked his men
    Manly like Isaac back when
    Isaac Chase showed him photos
    Of where sun’s rays don’t go
    And Jordan was porn born again.

    Isaac extolled Jordan’s butt hole--
    To display at State Fairs was Unc Ike’s goal.
    Unc Ike shaped and grew
    Jordan’s butt hole into
    The shape of a large mixing bowl.

    Isaac Chase sent Jordan a Valentine
    That said “Sweet Nephew, Won’t You Be Mine?”
    Isaac bought candy and flowers
    And it was only two hours
    Before Isaac gave Jord’s butt a spit shine.

    Isaac took a pic of Jordan’s hiney.
    He thought it looked like a Modigliani.
    Isaac said, “I won’t sell
    This picture so swell,
    But it sure makes a great Valentiney.”

    Isaac Chase tried to rob the Chase bank.
    He said it was his and he ranked
    Far above peons,
    And had done so for eons,
    Plus he had to fund Jordan’s young flank.

    Nephew Jordan Chasescott wanted trucks
    For Christmas but Isaac said, “Shucks,
    I’ll give you an erector set
    When I get the projector set,
    And Joe Stout can make some big bucks.”

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Wed Feb 15 22:38:19 2023
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    This here is a good read:

    https://brooklynrail.org/2008/07/books/poetry-before-and-after-image

    ************** Kenneth Patchen’s reputation as a proto-beatnik poet, visual artist, activist, jazz performer and all around bohemian emanates an aura of saintliness. Some of the more even-keeled poems from his series “Poemscapes” in the new
    collection We Meet reveal his understanding of a world rife with positive and negative energies at work: “Much depends on whether you want to grow / nettles or clover: on whether you’ve come to applaud or just to swipe clothes off the line…” *****
    *******************

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to General-Zod on Thu Feb 16 16:22:04 2023
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    General-Zod wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    This here is a good read:

    https://brooklynrail.org/2008/07/books/poetry-before-and-after-image

    ************** Kenneth Patchen’s reputation as a proto-beatnik poet, visual artist, activist, jazz performer and all around bohemian emanates an aura of saintliness. Some of the more even-keeled poems from his series “Poemscapes” in the new
    collection We Meet reveal his understanding of a world rife with positive and negative energies at work: “Much depends on whether you want to grow / nettles or clover: on whether you’ve come to applaud or just to swipe clothes off the line…” *****
    *******************

    Good morning, Zod, good find.

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to General-Zod on Wed Feb 22 01:46:13 2023
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    General-Zod wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:

    George Dance wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:47:12 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen..html

    #pennyspoems
    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    Never read him but looks GREAT....

    https://pleasekillme.com/kenneth-patchen-rebel-poet/

    ******************** Poet, artist, performer, pacifist and visionary, Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972) was the closest thing America had to a William Blake. He was, in the words of biographer Larry Smith, the ‘Rebel Poet of America,” influencing the
    likes of Henry Miller, young Beat poets such as Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure and Gary Snyder and, later, Jim Morrison and Richard Brautigan. *****************

    ******************** Kenneth Patchen may have wielded more influence on two generations’ worth of our counterculture than any other poet you’ve never heard of. He had a hippie pacifist sensibility 30 years before the hippies existed and a Beat
    Generation aura a decade before that term was common coinage. ********************************

    ****************************** part of a vibrant literary scene that included Kenneth Rexroth, Lawrence Ferlinghetti (who would publish some of Patchen’s work on his City Lights imprint), Josephine Miles (poet-in-residence at UCal-Berkeley),
    Philip Lamantia, Michael McClure, Gary Snyder, Allen Ginsberg, and Peter Orlovsky. As early as the late 1940s, Patchen was performing his poetry to jazz accompaniment ***********************************

    Good find, Zod. That makes Patchen look like an important historical figure indeed. I think I may quote some of that on his PPP page.


    Agreed, Patchen was considered essential reading to the 1970s latter-day Beats.


    Cool... cool... as you know I mainly began reading the Beatnik writers after meeting you, Doc...


    True, but I know you spent many leave days in the Navy hanging out at City Lights Books.

    🙂

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to W-Dockery on Wed Mar 1 22:59:33 2023
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    W-Dockery wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    Thanks for posting this poem, George.

    I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.


    Glad K.P. is back on the radar...!

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Thu Mar 2 00:59:30 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems

    Bookmarked for later use:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1435627060034188/permalink/3389978071265734/?mibextid=Nif5oz

    Sam T. Byrd wrote:

    "Lawrence Ferlinghetti was truly a champion of free speech and one of the major figures of Bay Area poetry, beginning with the era of Beat poetry.
    My late brother-in-law, Doug Palmer, whose street nom de plume was Facino, was the San Francisco Bay Area’s first street poet and was also a fixture in San Francisco and on the UC Berkeley campus in the mid to late 1960s.
    He was once arrested in San Francisco for vagrancy for selling his personalized poems.
    Ferlinghetti spoke in Doug’s defense at his trial and as a result he was acquitted, setting a precedent that paved the way for several subsequent street poets, such as the late Berkeley poet Julia Vinograd, who followed years later."

    CC: George J. Dance, for the poetry Wiki.

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Thu Mar 2 01:03:26 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:

    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen

    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father

    [...] https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html


    #pennyspoems

    Bookmarked for later use:

    Doug Palmer aka Facino

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1435627060034188/permalink/3389978071265734/?mibextid=Nif5oz

    Sam T. Byrd wrote:

    "Lawrence Ferlinghetti was truly a champion of free speech and one of the major figures of Bay Area poetry, beginning with the era of Beat poetry.
    My late brother-in-law, Doug Palmer, whose street nom de plume was Facino, was the San Francisco Bay Area’s first street poet and was also a fixture in San Francisco and on the UC Berkeley campus in the mid to late 1960s.
    He was once arrested in San Francisco for vagrancy for selling his personalized poems.
    Ferlinghetti spoke in Doug’s defense at his trial and as a result he was acquitted, setting a precedent that paved the way for several subsequent street poets, such as the late Berkeley poet Julia Vinograd, who followed years later."

    CC: George J. Dance, for the poetry Wiki.

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George Dance on Wed Mar 29 11:36:47 2023
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    George Dance wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for New Year's Day:
    At the New Year, by Kenneth Patchen
    [...]
    There is this high singing in the air
    Forever this sorrowful human face in eternity’s window
    And there are other bells that we would ring, Father
    [...]
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/01/at-new-year-kenneth-patchen.html

    #pennyspoems
    Like I said before the trolls arrived, thanks for posting this poem, George. >> I haven't read any Patchen in years, probably since the 1970s when I was soaking in as much Beat related poetry as I could find, remembering now how good Kenneth Patchen was.
    HTH and HAND.

    I can't remember reading any of Patchen's poetry previously. I plan to read more of his work this year, now that it's in the public domain here. I found this poem by pure coincidence, or perhaps it was synergy: I discovered it on the a webpage of New
    Year's poems the day after I'd discovered that it would be out of copyright here on New Year's Day.

    The subject seems the same as Roberts's poem that I ran on New Year's Eve -- a bell peals out 12 times at midnight, cutting through the quiet or drowning out the normal background noises, and getting the poet to start thinking about philosophical
    questions. The only reason I couldn't have used Patchen's poem on New Year's Eve, instead of Roberts's, is because back then Patchen's was still in copyright.

    Great, hopefully more Kenneth Patchen poems will fit the topic.

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