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What did you watch?

I watched "The Cage," the unaired ST:TOS pilot. It was pretty good. Trek
of that era is cheesy, but so was the written SF of the day. I was
impressed by Number One's acting. I wonder how it would have gone if
they'd retained her as the logical, unemotional first officer and done >something else with Mr. Spock.

This episode not only introduces the idea of exotic space sex slaves, it
also gives us a female bridge character with "unusually strong female
drives" and another who seems buttoned down but has unspecified
fantasies about her captain. They weren't shy about aiming for the >lurid-trash market.

I then watched "The Menagerie," which they made of the footage. I'd say
it's also decent. What everyone really remembers is crippled Captain
Pike in the chair. They never really explain why the Talosians are
willing to provide him with a VR retirement reality. Maybe Vina talked
them into it, or maybe they just thought things over.

If memory serves, they wanted a companion for Vina, possibly to repopulate
the planet.

A question about both versions: since Vina was put back together so
clumsily that she could barely walk, how in the galaxy did they expect
her to bear children? If they just didn't realize how dangerous that is
for humans, they might have had to rebuild her again after the birth.

Yeah, there was that... maybe they had IV technology (AKA "test tube
babies").

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If memory serves, they wanted a companion for Vina, possibly to repopulate >> the planet.

They'd decided humans were unsuitable, though.

In both versions? I do remember them having that revelation after scanning
the Enterprise's data banks, but I also remember them noting that humans
fared better than the other races they tried.

It's interesting to see him walking back in happily. No one says it, but >there are worse things than a gilded cage.

Beats living in a wheelchair that can only blink "yes" or "no".

You know, Star Fleet could have made asomething better for him. I always wondered why they cheaped out with his space-wheelchair.

A question about both versions: since Vina was put back together so
clumsily that she could barely walk, how in the galaxy did they expect
her to bear children? If they just didn't realize how dangerous that is
for humans, they might have had to rebuild her again after the birth.

Yeah, there was that... maybe they had IV technology (AKA "test tube
babies").

Possibly. They seemed to have good medical tech.

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Ubiquitous <[email protected]> wrote:

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If memory serves, they wanted a companion for Vina, possibly to repopulate >>> the planet.

They'd decided humans were unsuitable, though.

In both versions?

Quote “The Cage”

MAGISTRATE: We had not believed this possible. The customs and history of
your race show a unique hatred of captivity. Even when it's pleasant and benevolent, you prefer death. This makes you too violent and dangerous a species for our needs.
VINA: He means that they can't use you. You're free to go back to the ship. PIKE: And that's it? No apologies? You captured one of us, threatened all
of us.
TALOSIAN: Your unsuitability has condemned the Talosian race to eventual
death. Is this not sufficient?
MAGISTRATE: No other specimen has shown your adaptability. You were our
last hope.
PIKE: But wouldn't some form of trade, mutual co-operation?
MAGISTRATE: Your race would learn our power of illusion and destroy itself
too.
ONE: Captain, we have transporter control now.
PIKE: Let's get back to the ship.
VINA: I can't. I can't go with you.


Quote “The Menagerie“

KEEPER: We had not believed this possible. The customs and history of your
race show a unique hatred of captivity. Even when it's pleasant and
benevolent, you prefer death. This makes you too violent and dangerous a species for our needs.
VINA: He means that they can't use you. You're free to go back to the ship. PIKE: And that's it. No apologies. You captured one of us, threatened all
of us.
TALOSIAN: Your unsuitability has condemned the Talosian race to eventual
death. Is this not sufficient?
KEEPER: No other specimen has shown your adaptability. You were our last
hope.
PIKE: But wouldn't some form of trade, mutual cooperation.
KEEPER: Your race would learn our power of illusion and destroy itself,
too.
NUMBER ONE: Captain, we have transporter control now.
PIKE: Let's get back to the ship.
VINA: I can't. I can't go with you.


I do remember them having that revelation after scanning

the Enterprise's data banks, but I also remember them noting that humans fared better than the other races they tried.

It's interesting to see him walking back in happily. No one says it, but
there are worse things than a gilded cage.

Beats living in a wheelchair that can only blink "yes" or "no".

You know, Star Fleet could have made asomething better for him. I always wondered why they cheaped out with his space-wheelchair.

A question about both versions: since Vina was put back together so
clumsily that she could barely walk, how in the galaxy did they expect >>>> her to bear children? If they just didn't realize how dangerous that is >>>> for humans, they might have had to rebuild her again after the birth.

Yeah, there was that... maybe they had IV technology (AKA "test tube
babies").

Possibly. They seemed to have good medical tech.

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Watch party on Saturday, 1:00 PST
https://discord.gg/mw4QzndY?event=1408952064645795852

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Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

Verily, in article <108s3gd$1uo12$[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] delivered unto us this message:

If memory serves, they wanted a companion for Vina, possibly to repopulate >>>> the planet.

They'd decided humans were unsuitable, though.

In both versions? I do remember them having that revelation after scanning >> the Enterprise's data banks, but I also remember them noting that humans
fared better than the other races they tried.

They seemed to accept that they weren't going to find a servant race and
were just going to die.

It's interesting to see him walking back in happily. No one says it, but >>> there are worse things than a gilded cage.

Beats living in a wheelchair that can only blink "yes" or "no".

Exactly. I think that's interesting, given the earlier conclusion that humanity was a special snowflake which couldn't bear any cage no matter
what. Turns out we can.

They also said something about how they couldn't just engage in trade
with us, because we'd learn their mind powers and destroy ourselves.

You know, Star Fleet could have made asomething better for him. I always
wondered why they cheaped out with his space-wheelchair.

Yeah, I'm surprised the federation didn't have better medicine.

The Talosians may still be in trouble. All that radiation probably left
Pike sterile.

Not to mention, Vina’s youth is an illusion. She may well be too old to procreate.


Perhaps they could offer to take the Federation's other

severely handicapped people, on a purely optional basis.

Once they find Omicron seti three, the spores should be able to cure both
pike and vina.




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