I just saw two stories about dogs that caught my eye.
The first story was about a dog that had (apparently) caused two
separate fires in its owner's house because it had somehow touched the controls of the stove and turned them on.
I think it's clear here that the REAL problem is not the dog but the
design of the stove controls that makes it easy for the dog to
inadvertently turn on the burners or the oven.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/stove-fire-dog-safety-recall-1.7610272
On 2025-08-19 14:56:06 +0000, Rhino said:
I just saw two stories about dogs that caught my eye.
The first story was about a dog that had (apparently) caused two
separate fires in its owner's house because it had somehow touched the
controls of the stove and turned them on.
I think it's clear here that the REAL problem is not the dog but the
design of the stove controls that makes it easy for the dog to
inadvertently turn on the burners or the oven.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/stove-fire-dog-safety-recall-1.7610272
"Push your stove control down, then turn... or pull it it up and turn"
which would be even more annoying. I can't wait.
I defeat every child-proof bottle in the house because no kids are around.
On 2025-08-19 15:18:33 +0000, super70s said:
On 2025-08-19 14:56:06 +0000, Rhino said:
I just saw two stories about dogs that caught my eye.
The first story was about a dog that had (apparently) caused two
separate fires in its owner's house because it had somehow touched the
controls of the stove and turned them on.
I think it's clear here that the REAL problem is not the dog but the
design of the stove controls that makes it easy for the dog to
inadvertently turn on the burners or the oven.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/stove-fire-dog-safety-recall-1.7610272
"Push your stove control down, then turn... or pull it it up and turn"
which would be even more annoying. I can't wait.
I defeat every child-proof bottle in the house because no kids are around.
More and more stove tops and ovens these days have silly touch-controls rather than physical switches and knobs. Not only are touch controls dangerous and give little / no response feel, but they also far more time-consuming to use (you have to repeatedly touch or hold the +
button while it slowly ticks up to "7" or whatever, instead of simply twisting a knob to "7"). :-(
It was the same with cars starting to move to silly touch controls
instead of physical buttons and switches. Thankfully most car makers
quickly saw sense and are stopping the idiocy. Apparently VW owners are
even suing (in the US of course) the company because they hate the
silly touch controls.
On 2025-08-19 20:39:58 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2025-08-19 15:18:33 +0000, super70s said:
On 2025-08-19 14:56:06 +0000, Rhino said:More and more stove tops and ovens these days have silly touch-controls
I just saw two stories about dogs that caught my eye.
The first story was about a dog that had (apparently) caused two
separate fires in its owner's house because it had somehow touched the >>>> controls of the stove and turned them on.
I think it's clear here that the REAL problem is not the dog but the
design of the stove controls that makes it easy for the dog to
inadvertently turn on the burners or the oven.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/stove-fire-dog-safety-recall-1.7610272
"Push your stove control down, then turn... or pull it it up and turn"
which would be even more annoying. I can't wait.
I defeat every child-proof bottle in the house because no kids are around. >>
rather than physical switches and knobs. Not only are touch controls
dangerous and give little / no response feel, but they also far more
time-consuming to use (you have to repeatedly touch or hold the +
button while it slowly ticks up to "7" or whatever, instead of simply
twisting a knob to "7"). :-(
I know where you're coming from. A few months ago I bought a (rather
pricey) Speed Queen washing machine because their reliability was
recommended by a plumber -- and even the manager of the appliance
section of a local Lowe's (and none of the big box stores carry Speed
Queens, the company is pretty choosy about who they let sell their
products).
Anyway they make models with knobs and models with "silly-touch"
controls (which are of course more expensive). The plumber said don't
mess with any models with the silly-touch because they're bound to tear
up sooner. So I just bought the one with knobs because I don't really
need all the bells & whistle options that the silly-touch models give
you anyway.
It was the same with cars starting to move to silly touch controls
instead of physical buttons and switches. Thankfully most car makers
quickly saw sense and are stopping the idiocy. Apparently VW owners are
even suing (in the US of course) the company because they hate the
silly touch controls.
Yeah, I'm driving around in a car before they started all the rear-view >monitor (I guess because some poor kid got ran over one time) and
Bluetooth and other crazy stuff. Some of those new dashes look like you
need to be a licensed pilot to operate them.
On Aug 19, 2025 at 2:42:14 PM PDT, "super70s" <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-08-19 20:39:58 +0000, Your Name said:
It was the same with cars starting to move to silly touch controls
instead of physical buttons and switches. Thankfully most car makers
quickly saw sense and are stopping the idiocy. Apparently VW owners are >>> even suing (in the US of course) the company because they hate the
silly touch controls.
Yeah, I'm driving around in a car before they started all the rear-view
monitor (I guess because some poor kid got ran over one time) and
Bluetooth and other crazy stuff. Some of those new dashes look like you
need to be a licensed pilot to operate them.
I think that there's a significant market out there of people who don't want all the hi-tech gizmos in their cars for a car company to take advantage of if
they were smart. A dashboard with analog gauges and just AC and heat with knobs and levers like there used to be. No screens and sensors and built-in cameras and GPS trackers that send data on you back to the mothership and all sorts of other crap that will just break down eventually.
I have a 1999 Toyota 4Runner that still runs like a dream and has none of that
garbage and I'm the happier for it. The *only* thing I've thought I might enjoy having is one of those backup cameras but other than that, you can keep all the rest. I have my phone with Google Maps for when I need to get anywhere
new and that's all I need.
On 2025-08-19 20:39:58 +0000, Your Name said:
It was the same with cars starting to move to silly touch controls
instead of physical buttons and switches. Thankfully most car makers
quickly saw sense and are stopping the idiocy. Apparently VW owners are
even suing (in the US of course) the company because they hate the
silly touch controls.
Yeah, I'm driving around in a car before they started all the rear-view monitor (I guess because some poor kid got ran over one time) and
Bluetooth and other crazy stuff. Some of those new dashes look like you
need to be a licensed pilot to operate them.
On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 16:42:14 -0500, super70s
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-08-19 20:39:58 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2025-08-19 15:18:33 +0000, super70s said:
On 2025-08-19 14:56:06 +0000, Rhino said:More and more stove tops and ovens these days have silly touch-controls
I just saw two stories about dogs that caught my eye.
The first story was about a dog that had (apparently) caused two
separate fires in its owner's house because it had somehow touched the >>>>> controls of the stove and turned them on.
I think it's clear here that the REAL problem is not the dog but the >>>>> design of the stove controls that makes it easy for the dog to
inadvertently turn on the burners or the oven.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/stove-fire-dog-safety-recall-1.7610272
"Push your stove control down, then turn... or pull it it up and turn" >>>> which would be even more annoying. I can't wait.
I defeat every child-proof bottle in the house because no kids are around. >>>
rather than physical switches and knobs. Not only are touch controls
dangerous and give little / no response feel, but they also far more
time-consuming to use (you have to repeatedly touch or hold the +
button while it slowly ticks up to "7" or whatever, instead of simply
twisting a knob to "7"). :-(
I know where you're coming from. A few months ago I bought a (rather
pricey) Speed Queen washing machine because their reliability was
recommended by a plumber -- and even the manager of the appliance
section of a local Lowe's (and none of the big box stores carry Speed
Queens, the company is pretty choosy about who they let sell their
products).
Anyway they make models with knobs and models with "silly-touch"
controls (which are of course more expensive). The plumber said don't
mess with any models with the silly-touch because they're bound to tear
up sooner. So I just bought the one with knobs because I don't really
need all the bells & whistle options that the silly-touch models give
you anyway.
It was the same with cars starting to move to silly touch controls
instead of physical buttons and switches. Thankfully most car makers
quickly saw sense and are stopping the idiocy. Apparently VW owners are
even suing (in the US of course) the company because they hate the
silly touch controls.
Yeah, I'm driving around in a car before they started all the rear-view
monitor (I guess because some poor kid got ran over one time) and
Bluetooth and other crazy stuff. Some of those new dashes look like you
need to be a licensed pilot to operate them.
I get that but the reason is really one of safety. With everything
tossed into the screen people were finding that on some vehicles they
had to hit multiple buttons on the screen just to change the volume on
the radio. You can imagine how bad an idea that is while driving.
Now to get back to the licensed pilot issue I got asked by a friend to
ride down to Hartsfield Airport to bring back a vehicle with them back
in the early 90s. I agreed and didn't give it a second thought. Turns
out it was some loaded truck/suburban assault vehicle that had more
buttons than most civilian planes.
The vehicle was parked in the covered parking lot so I wanted to turn
on the lights. After about five minutes I gave up trying to find the
button to turn the lights on and drove out of the covered lot. Luckily
it was during the day time so I didn't need to turn the lights on as I
would have had to start hitting every switch/button to figure out
which one controlled the lights. That's a case where a screen might
have helped simplify the interface. ;)
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