Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

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When I heard about the alleged female Jem'Hadar, I thought it was >>>profoundly sexist. They're not a sexed species at all, and apparently >>>that led someone to assume they were "all male." Sounds like male >>>default, doesn't it? That makes no sense for a hermaphroditic species, >>>which surely would assume sex differences to be a trivial detail.

Just a minute. They are NOT hermaphrodites. It's an entirely engineered >>species with no ability to reproduce, created in factories.

You are correct. I was speaking loosely, but I probably shouldn't do
that in this context.

According to Memory Alpha, there was a line of dialogue in the Deep
Space Nine episode "To the Death" that they are all males, but "male" is
a sexual characteristic. If the species cannot reproduce, then there are
no males.

Yes, the writer was stupid.

The Orville had the same dumb idea -- the Moclans, a species of all
males. Somehow they were oviparous. If they have some egg-laying
aperture, how are they male? "All female" would still be wrong but would
at least be a more understandable projection.

That's what I mean about the underlying foundation being sexist. The
writers translate "all alike" to "all male" because they themselves see
being male as the normal and the default.

Most of us learned this in elementary school biology. Bacteria reproduce asexually; they are neither male nor female. One can imagine a species requiring three or four sexes to engage in reproduction.

But if there aren't contrasting sexes at all, there aren't males and
females.

Then they cook up some dumb
plot about the very first female and think they're going to explore
gender roles, but real women are not unique beings in an all-male world.
It is to ROTFL, really.

I wish tv writers would take remedial education classes.

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On Aug 5, 2025 at 8:06:54 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <[email protected]> wrote:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:

Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] deliver unto us this message:

When I heard about the alleged female Jem'Hadar, I thought it was
profoundly sexist. They're not a sexed species at all, and apparently
that led someone to assume they were "all male." Sounds like male
default, doesn't it? That makes no sense for a hermaphroditic species, >>>> which surely would assume sex differences to be a trivial detail.

Just a minute. They are NOT hermaphrodites. It's an entirely engineered
species with no ability to reproduce, created in factories.

You are correct. I was speaking loosely, but I probably shouldn't do
that in this context.

According to Memory Alpha, there was a line of dialogue in the Deep
Space Nine episode "To the Death" that they are all males, but "male" is >>> a sexual characteristic. If the species cannot reproduce, then there are >>> no males.

Yes, the writer was stupid.

The Orville had the same dumb idea -- the Moclans, a species of all
males. Somehow they were oviparous. If they have some egg-laying
aperture, how are they male? "All female" would still be wrong but would
at least be a more understandable projection.

That's what I mean about the underlying foundation being sexist. The
writers translate "all alike" to "all male" because they themselves see
being male as the normal and the default.

Most of us learned this in elementary school biology. Bacteria reproduce asexually; they are neither male nor female. One can imagine a species requiring three or four sexes to engage in reproduction.

Like the xenomorph!

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