• "Some of my best friends are . . . " criticism of Islam

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 19:00:37 2025
    This video includes an extended video clip of a speech by Daniel Johnson criticizing Islam and the Islamists who emphasize the violent rhetoric
    of the Koran and will not allow the religion to modernize.

    Rant: I find YouTube channels made up of uncited video clips from
    elsewhere tiresome. I cannot tell you how important the citation is.

    When was this speech made? It does not say. However, the speaker
    references an opinion piece which I found on line written March 21,
    2013, so this speech took place perhaps a week later or so.

    It puts what the speaker says into context because this was the height
    of the use of violence to intimidate speakers whose views on Islam are unapproved. We're talking about attempted murder here.

    The speaker knew several such people at the time.

    I think we've forgotten how bad this period was in the UK.

    He also discusses an Islamic scholar who was head of a studies program
    forced out and replaced with a far more doctrinaire Islamic scholar who
    teaches the use of violence in Islam.

    It made me laugh when he pointed out the willingness of Christianity to
    change and evolve, what with the Church reversing the doctrine in which
    all Jews were blamed as Christ killers starting in the 12th century
    "within my lifetime". Hahahahaha. If we wait enough centuries, progress!

    The speech by Daniel Johnson is presented in its entirety; the YouTuber
    makes comments at the end.

    Daniel Johnson EVISCERATES Medhi Hasan With The Truth About Islam
    (Muslim Crowd Stunned)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbQOTpuHMM8

    The article I mentioned was this:

    The Sorry Truth Is That the Virus of Anti-Semitism Has Infected the
    British Muslim Community

    It pains me to have to admit this but anti-Semitism isn't just tolerated
    in some sections of the British Muslim community; it's routine and
    commonplace. Any Muslims reading this article - if they are honest with themselves - will know instantly what I am referring to. It's our dirty
    little secret. You could call it the banality of Muslim anti-Semitism.

    By Mehdi Hasan
    Al Jazeera English Presenter
    HUFFPOSt
    21/03/2013 05:32am GMT https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/anti-semitism-british-muslim-community_b_2922013.html

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat Jul 5 23:09:09 2025
    On 2025-07-05 3:00 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    This video includes an extended video clip of a speech by Daniel Johnson criticizing Islam and the Islamists who emphasize the violent rhetoric
    of the Koran and will not allow the religion to modernize.

    Rant: I find YouTube channels made up of uncited video clips from
    elsewhere tiresome. I cannot tell you how important the citation is.

    When was this speech made? It does not say. However, the speaker
    references an opinion piece which I found on line written March 21,
    2013, so this speech took place perhaps a week later or so.

    It puts what the speaker says into context because this was the height
    of the use of violence to intimidate speakers whose views on Islam are unapproved. We're talking about attempted murder here.

    The speaker knew several such people at the time.

    I think we've forgotten how bad this period was in the UK.

    He also discusses an Islamic scholar who was head of a studies program
    forced out and replaced with a far more doctrinaire Islamic scholar who teaches the use of violence in Islam.

    It made me laugh when he pointed out the willingness of Christianity to change and evolve, what with the Church reversing the doctrine in which
    all Jews were blamed as Christ killers starting in the 12th century
    "within my lifetime". Hahahahaha. If we wait enough centuries, progress!

    The speech by Daniel Johnson is presented in its entirety; the YouTuber
    makes comments at the end.

    Daniel Johnson EVISCERATES Medhi Hasan With The Truth About Islam
    (Muslim Crowd Stunned)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbQOTpuHMM8

    The article I mentioned was this:

    The Sorry Truth Is That the Virus of Anti-Semitism Has Infected the
    British Muslim Community

    It pains me to have to admit this but anti-Semitism isn't just tolerated
    in some sections of the British Muslim community; it's routine and commonplace. Any Muslims reading this article - if they are honest with themselves - will know instantly what I am referring to. It's our dirty little secret. You could call it the banality of Muslim anti-Semitism.

    By Mehdi Hasan
    Al Jazeera English Presenter
    HUFFPOSt
    21/03/2013 05:32am GMT https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/anti-semitism-british-muslim-community_b_2922013.html

    Last year, Natasha Hausdorff and Douglas Murray debated Mehdi Hassan and another guy, whose name escapes me, at the annual Munck Debate in
    Toronto. In my opinion, Murray revealed Hassan to be a despicable liar.
    You might want to search for that debate on YouTube.



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    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sun Jul 6 15:07:02 2025
    On 7/5/2025 3:00 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    This video includes an extended video clip of a speech by Daniel Johnson criticizing Islam and the Islamists who emphasize the violent rhetoric
    of the Koran and will not allow the religion to modernize.

    Rant: I find YouTube channels made up of uncited video clips from
    elsewhere tiresome. I cannot tell you how important the citation is.

    When was this speech made? It does not say. However, the speaker
    references an opinion piece which I found on line written March 21,
    2013, so this speech took place perhaps a week later or so.

    It puts what the speaker says into context because this was the height
    of the use of violence to intimidate speakers whose views on Islam are unapproved. We're talking about attempted murder here.

    The speaker knew several such people at the time.

    I think we've forgotten how bad this period was in the UK.

    He also discusses an Islamic scholar who was head of a studies program
    forced out and replaced with a far more doctrinaire Islamic scholar who teaches the use of violence in Islam.

    It made me laugh when he pointed out the willingness of Christianity to change and evolve, what with the Church reversing the doctrine in which
    all Jews were blamed as Christ killers starting in the 12th century
    "within my lifetime". Hahahahaha. If we wait enough centuries, progress!

    The speech by Daniel Johnson is presented in its entirety; the YouTuber
    makes comments at the end.

    Daniel Johnson EVISCERATES Medhi Hasan With The Truth About Islam
    (Muslim Crowd Stunned)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbQOTpuHMM8

    The article I mentioned was this:

    The Sorry Truth Is That the Virus of Anti-Semitism Has Infected the
    British Muslim Community

    It pains me to have to admit this but anti-Semitism isn't just tolerated
    in some sections of the British Muslim community; it's routine and commonplace. Any Muslims reading this article - if they are honest with themselves - will know instantly what I am referring to. It's our dirty little secret. You could call it the banality of Muslim anti-Semitism.

    By Mehdi Hasan
    Al Jazeera English Presenter
    HUFFPOSt
    21/03/2013 05:32am GMT https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/anti-semitism-british-muslim-community_b_2922013.html

    "Modernizing" religion flies in the face of its rationale. Religion is
    about faith and tradition, not vogue.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon Jul 7 17:13:32 2025
    On 2025-07-06 3:07 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 7/5/2025 3:00 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    This video includes an extended video clip of a speech by Daniel Johnson
    criticizing Islam and the Islamists who emphasize the violent rhetoric
    of the Koran and will not allow the religion to modernize.

    Rant: I find YouTube channels made up of uncited video clips from
    elsewhere tiresome. I cannot tell you how important the citation is.

    When was this speech made? It does not say. However, the speaker
    references an opinion piece which I found on line written March 21,
    2013, so this speech took place perhaps a week later or so.

    It puts what the speaker says into context because this was the height
    of the use of violence to intimidate speakers whose views on Islam are
    unapproved. We're talking about attempted murder here.

    The speaker knew several such people at the time.

    I think we've forgotten how bad this period was in the UK.

    He also discusses an Islamic scholar who was head of a studies program
    forced out and replaced with a far more doctrinaire Islamic scholar who
    teaches the use of violence in Islam.

    It made me laugh when he pointed out the willingness of Christianity to
    change and evolve, what with the Church reversing the doctrine in which
    all Jews were blamed as Christ killers starting in the 12th century
    "within my lifetime". Hahahahaha. If we wait enough centuries, progress!

    The speech by Daniel Johnson is presented in its entirety; the YouTuber
    makes comments at the end.

    Daniel Johnson EVISCERATES Medhi Hasan With The Truth About Islam
    (Muslim Crowd Stunned)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbQOTpuHMM8

    The article I mentioned was this:

    The Sorry Truth Is That the Virus of Anti-Semitism Has Infected the
    British Muslim Community

    It pains me to have to admit this but anti-Semitism isn't just tolerated
    in some sections of the British Muslim community; it's routine and
    commonplace. Any Muslims reading this article - if they are honest with
    themselves - will know instantly what I am referring to. It's our dirty
    little secret. You could call it the banality of Muslim anti-Semitism.

    By Mehdi Hasan
    Al Jazeera English Presenter
    HUFFPOSt
    21/03/2013 05:32am GMT
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/anti-semitism-british-
    muslim-community_b_2922013.html

    "Modernizing" religion flies in the face of its rationale.  Religion is about faith and tradition, not vogue.


    Which is exactly why Christianity hasn't changed in 2000 years, right?

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    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon Jul 7 17:47:44 2025
    On 7/7/2025 5:13 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-07-06 3:07 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 7/5/2025 3:00 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    This video includes an extended video clip of a speech by Daniel Johnson >>> criticizing Islam and the Islamists who emphasize the violent rhetoric
    of the Koran and will not allow the religion to modernize.

    Rant: I find YouTube channels made up of uncited video clips from
    elsewhere tiresome. I cannot tell you how important the citation is.

    When was this speech made? It does not say. However, the speaker
    references an opinion piece which I found on line written March 21,
    2013, so this speech took place perhaps a week later or so.

    It puts what the speaker says into context because this was the height
    of the use of violence to intimidate speakers whose views on Islam are
    unapproved. We're talking about attempted murder here.

    The speaker knew several such people at the time.

    I think we've forgotten how bad this period was in the UK.

    He also discusses an Islamic scholar who was head of a studies program
    forced out and replaced with a far more doctrinaire Islamic scholar who
    teaches the use of violence in Islam.

    It made me laugh when he pointed out the willingness of Christianity to
    change and evolve, what with the Church reversing the doctrine in which
    all Jews were blamed as Christ killers starting in the 12th century
    "within my lifetime". Hahahahaha. If we wait enough centuries, progress! >>>
    The speech by Daniel Johnson is presented in its entirety; the YouTuber
    makes comments at the end.

    Daniel Johnson EVISCERATES Medhi Hasan With The Truth About Islam
    (Muslim Crowd Stunned)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbQOTpuHMM8

    The article I mentioned was this:

    The Sorry Truth Is That the Virus of Anti-Semitism Has Infected the
    British Muslim Community

    It pains me to have to admit this but anti-Semitism isn't just tolerated >>> in some sections of the British Muslim community; it's routine and
    commonplace. Any Muslims reading this article - if they are honest with
    themselves - will know instantly what I am referring to. It's our dirty
    little secret. You could call it the banality of Muslim anti-Semitism.

    By Mehdi Hasan
    Al Jazeera English Presenter
    HUFFPOSt
    21/03/2013 05:32am GMT
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/anti-semitism-british-
    muslim-community_b_2922013.html

    "Modernizing" religion flies in the face of its rationale.  Religion
    is about faith and tradition, not vogue.


    Which is exactly why Christianity hasn't changed in 2000 years, right?

    Christianity has evolved, it hasn't been deliberately "modernized" in a transitive sense. Try suggesting to any zealot that he update his
    beliefs and he'll either pray for you or burn you at the stake.

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