On Aug 20, 2024 at 8:37:08 PM PDT, "Rhino" <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2024-08-20 10:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on >> their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended >> up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food >> workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

If your technique catches on, they'll simply remove the "custom tip"
option and make you pay a mandatory minimum tip, say 15% to start and
then raise it if they get away with that. If that causes a backlash,
they'll just raise the prices. AGAIN.

Rhino has proven to be prescient. I'm now seeing more and more restaurants adding tips to the bill automatically as a mandatory charge. They don't call them tips, since legally tips have to be voluntary. They label them things
like "staff health care fee" and "worker compensation fee".

I had one restaurant recently charge me an 18% "living wage fee". Not voluntary, no choice but to pay it. So on the tip line, I drew an arrow up to the 18% charge, circled it, and wrote, "That's your tip."

They would have normally gotten 20% from me, but because of their obnoxious mandatory fee, they only got 18%.

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On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California, they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it, the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No. No, I wouldn't.

Tip who? I literally didn't even talk to any employee my entire time at the store. I did everything myself. If anyone should be tipped, it's *me*! The store should knock 20% off my bill because I essentially became their employee for the time I was in the store. I did all the work a cashier would normally do.

It's too bad the "custom tip" button on the prompt screen only accepts
numbers. If it let you type letters, I'd enter "Not just no, but fuck no" in the field.

And tipping your landlord? In what world is that a thing? You've got to be kidding me. A 20% tip to my landlord would be an extra $650/month
($7800/year). I have a lot better things to do with almost eight grand that hand it to my landlord for nothing.

And imagine going into an Apple Store to buy an iPhone and be expected to
leave a 20% ($240) tip for the iPhone 16 you purchased.

----------------------------

https://www.businessinsider.com/customers-are-hesitant-to-tip-at-self-check-out-2023-5

Self-checkout machines at cafés, sports stadiums, and airports are asking for tips-- and customers aren't happy about giving extra money to machines.

The Wall Street Journal reported on the rise of digital, self-checkout kiosks and how customers have responded to tip prompts. Many customers who were asked to tip workers with whom they had no interaction were frustrated with these prompts, per the Journal.

The report spoke to a half dozen customers around the US. Though some people were willing to tack on the extra fees, the majority said tip cues were confusing and many said they were unsure where the money was going.

One customer, who took a beer from a self-service beer fridge at San Diego's Petco Park, was asked to include a tip on his order, the Journal reported. "I was confused, because it wasn't entirely clear who I was tipping," he told the Journal, adding that he still tipped 20% anyway.

A spokesperson for the stadium, which is the home of the San Diego Padres,
told the Journal that all tips went to employees.

A traveler, who was prompted to include a 10% to 20% tip on a $6 bottle of water at an OTG gift shop in Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey, said that the ask was a "bit of emotional blackmail". The customer did not tip.

A spokesperson for OTG told the journal that all tip money collected is pooled and then paid out to the staff members working that particular shift.

Tipping has been an increasingly controversial point of debate in the country, with many Americans experiencing "tipping fatigue", as they get asked to tip
at more places and face the effects of inflation.

Landlords have taken to TikTok to make a case for gratuity to be added onto rent...


https://www.tiktok.com/@someguymark/video/7372361955979316485?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

...while the first unionized Apple store in Maryland is fighting for the introduction of a tipping system.

That said, customers haven't stopped tipping: Total tips received by full-service restaurants and quick-service restaurants were up 16.5% and 15.86%, respectively, in the fourth quarter of 2022 when compared to the same period in 2021, a spokesperson for the payment platform Block told Insider. This data reflects all tips received and not just from self-service kiosks.

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:43:42 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on >> their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended >> up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California, >> they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to >tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally >do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the >self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it, >the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At >this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for >your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No. >No, I wouldn't.

Tip who? I literally didn't even talk to any employee my entire time at the >store. I did everything myself. If anyone should be tipped, it's *me*! The >store should knock 20% off my bill because I essentially became their employee >for the time I was in the store. I did all the work a cashier would normally >do.

That's one thing I like about the Public grocery stores. They have an
explicit no tipping policy. They also pay their employees well, which
is something I think all of these service oriented businesses should
do. It's not my fault if the business is paying their employees the
bare minimum.

It's too bad the "custom tip" button on the prompt screen only accepts >numbers. If it let you type letters, I'd enter "Not just no, but fuck no" in >the field.

And tipping your landlord? In what world is that a thing? You've got to be >kidding me. A 20% tip to my landlord would be an extra $650/month >($7800/year). I have a lot better things to do with almost eight grand that >hand it to my landlord for nothing.

And imagine going into an Apple Store to buy an iPhone and be expected to >leave a 20% ($240) tip for the iPhone 16 you purchased.

----------------------------

https://www.businessinsider.com/customers-are-hesitant-to-tip-at-self-check-out-2023-5

Self-checkout machines at cafés, sports stadiums, and airports are asking for >tips-- and customers aren't happy about giving extra money to machines.

The Wall Street Journal reported on the rise of digital, self-checkout kiosks >and how customers have responded to tip prompts. Many customers who were asked >to tip workers with whom they had no interaction were frustrated with these >prompts, per the Journal.

The report spoke to a half dozen customers around the US. Though some people >were willing to tack on the extra fees, the majority said tip cues were >confusing and many said they were unsure where the money was going.

One customer, who took a beer from a self-service beer fridge at San Diego's >Petco Park, was asked to include a tip on his order, the Journal reported. "I >was confused, because it wasn't entirely clear who I was tipping," he told the >Journal, adding that he still tipped 20% anyway.

A spokesperson for the stadium, which is the home of the San Diego Padres, >told the Journal that all tips went to employees.

A traveler, who was prompted to include a 10% to 20% tip on a $6 bottle of >water at an OTG gift shop in Newark Liberty International Airport in New >Jersey, said that the ask was a "bit of emotional blackmail". The customer did >not tip.

A spokesperson for OTG told the journal that all tip money collected is pooled >and then paid out to the staff members working that particular shift.

Tipping has been an increasingly controversial point of debate in the country, >with many Americans experiencing "tipping fatigue", as they get asked to tip >at more places and face the effects of inflation.

Landlords have taken to TikTok to make a case for gratuity to be added onto >rent...

https://www.tiktok.com/@someguymark/video/7372361955979316485?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

...while the first unionized Apple store in Maryland is fighting for the >introduction of a tipping system.

That said, customers haven't stopped tipping: Total tips received by >full-service restaurants and quick-service restaurants were up 16.5% and >15.86%, respectively, in the fourth quarter of 2022 when compared to the same >period in 2021, a spokesperson for the payment platform Block told Insider. >This data reflects all tips received and not just from self-service kiosks.

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on >>> their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended >>> up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food >>> workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now >>> costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to >> tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for >> your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you >“adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message
they send.

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BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on >> their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended >> up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California, >> they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No. No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
“adjust your tip”


--
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shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food >>>> workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now >>>> costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you >literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and

paying for it,

the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a >'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for >>> your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you >>“adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message
they send.

Why tip at all? Door Dash was caught failing to remit any tips to
drivers over several years. It's just another profit center till proven otherwise.

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Adam H. Kerman <[email protected]> wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food >>>>> workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now >>>>> costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you

literally

do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and

paying for it,

the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a

'tip'. At

this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for
your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
“adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message
they send.

Why tip at all? Door Dash was caught failing to remit any tips to
drivers over several years. It's just another profit center till proven otherwise.

DoorDash just turned evil. They put in a new system where certain food
items are locked and you can’t order them without signing up for delivery contract.

--
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shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food >>>> workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now >>>> costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for >>> your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
“adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message
they send.

That would be a good idea, but I am going to assume it’s not the delivery person’s fault.



--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:16:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food >>>>> workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now >>>>> costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for
your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
“adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message
they send.

That would be a good idea, but I am going to assume it’s not the delivery >person’s fault.

Then just don't use Doordash any more so both the company and the
delivery person suffers a loss.

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shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:16:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now >>>>>> costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for
your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
“adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message
they send.

That would be a good idea, but I am going to assume it’s not the delivery >> person’s fault.

Then just don't use Doordash any more so both the company and the
delivery person suffers a loss.

Well, they’re doubling down on the evil by making the restaurants I want to order from be exclusive to them.

And the locked items aren’t entire restaurants. They are certain items
within the restaurants menu. They are really going out of their way to be bastards.

But, yeah, that’s my solution. I won’t be using DoorDash.



--
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 17:50:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:16:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for
your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you >>>>> “adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message >>>> they send.

That would be a good idea, but I am going to assume it’s not the delivery >>> person’s fault.

Then just don't use Doordash any more so both the company and the
delivery person suffers a loss.

Well, they’re doubling down on the evil by making the restaurants I want to >order from be exclusive to them.

And the locked items aren’t entire restaurants. They are certain items >within the restaurants menu. They are really going out of their way to be >bastards.

But, yeah, that’s my solution. I won’t be using DoorDash.

They've got to be desperate because that's obviously going to drive
customers away.

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shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 17:50:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:16:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for
your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you >>>>>> “adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message >>>>> they send.

That would be a good idea, but I am going to assume it’s not the delivery
person’s fault.

Then just don't use Doordash any more so both the company and the
delivery person suffers a loss.

Well, they’re doubling down on the evil by making the restaurants I want to
order from be exclusive to them.

And the locked items aren’t entire restaurants. They are certain items
within the restaurants menu. They are really going out of their way to be
bastards.

But, yeah, that’s my solution. I won’t be using DoorDash.

They've got to be desperate because that's obviously going to drive
customers away.

It’s hard to imagine any other outcome

--
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On 7/9/2025 12:21 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 17:50:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:16:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for
your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you >>>>>>> “adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message >>>>>> they send.

That would be a good idea, but I am going to assume it’s not the delivery
person’s fault.

Then just don't use Doordash any more so both the company and the
delivery person suffers a loss.

Well, they’re doubling down on the evil by making the restaurants I want to
order from be exclusive to them.

And the locked items aren’t entire restaurants. They are certain items >>> within the restaurants menu. They are really going out of their way to be >>> bastards.

But, yeah, that’s my solution. I won’t be using DoorDash.

They've got to be desperate because that's obviously going to drive
customers away.

It’s hard to imagine any other outcome

Well apparently Door Dash can easily imagine another outcome. :P

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Dimensional Traveler <[email protected]> wrote:

On 7/9/2025 12:21 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 17:50:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:16:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:37:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on
their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended
up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California,
they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

I haven't personally come across this one yet, but now they're asking you to
tip even when you don't interact with a human being at all. When you literally
do everything yourself-- taking the product off the shelf, carrying it to the
self-checkout register, ringing it up yourself, bagging it, and paying for it,
the store asks you if you want to add 20% or more to your total as a 'tip'. At
this point, the tip prompt is just basically saying, "Here's your total for
your purchase. Would you like the opportunity to make it more expensive?" No.
No, I wouldn't.

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you >>>>>>>> “adjust your tip”

Do they care how you adjust it? I'm thinking down $1 for every message >>>>>>> they send.

That would be a good idea, but I am going to assume it’s not the delivery
person’s fault.

Then just don't use Doordash any more so both the company and the
delivery person suffers a loss.

Well, they’re doubling down on the evil by making the restaurants I want to
order from be exclusive to them.

And the locked items aren’t entire restaurants. They are certain items >>>> within the restaurants menu. They are really going out of their way to be >>>> bastards.

But, yeah, that’s my solution. I won’t be using DoorDash.

They've got to be desperate because that's obviously going to drive
customers away.

It’s hard to imagine any other outcome

Well apparently Door Dash can easily imagine another outcome. :P

“I want that $10 lobster roll so badly. I’m willing to pay an additional five dollars to DoorDash to get it”

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[email protected] wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on >their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended >up tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food >workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California, >they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now >costs $14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

Tipping Has Become Emotional Blackmail (Matt Walsh) https://youtu.be/ic2cyBNxNdY?si=PoNkKNjqiks29s5_

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[email protected] wrote:

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
"�djust your tip"

How considerate of them to inform you that you overtipped!

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Ubiquitous <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
"âdjust your tip"

How considerate of them to inform you that you overtipped!

Lol yeah

They also changed the default starting tip from two dollars to three
dollars

I find the food delivery tips being based on the value of the food (before coupons or deals) extraordinarily annoying. The guy brought a bag from the restaurant to my house. It’s the same amount of time and effort for him if it’s a bag of french fries or a multi hundred dollar fillet mignon.

Now, mileage, I’d understand.

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 11:36:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

Ubiquitous <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
"âdjust your tip"

How considerate of them to inform you that you overtipped!

Lol yeah

They also changed the default starting tip from two dollars to three
dollars

I find the food delivery tips being based on the value of the food (before >coupons or deals) extraordinarily annoying. The guy brought a bag from the >restaurant to my house. It’s the same amount of time and effort for him if >it’s a bag of french fries or a multi hundred dollar fillet mignon.

Now, mileage, I’d understand.

But that wouldn't maximize their income. After all if you can afford a
$500 Wagyu dish you can clearly afford a $100 tip.

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shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 11:36:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

Ubiquitous <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
"âdjust your tip"

How considerate of them to inform you that you overtipped!

Lol yeah

They also changed the default starting tip from two dollars to three
dollars

I find the food delivery tips being based on the value of the food (before >> coupons or deals) extraordinarily annoying. The guy brought a bag from the >> restaurant to my house. It’s the same amount of time and effort for him if >> it’s a bag of french fries or a multi hundred dollar fillet mignon.

Now, mileage, I’d understand.

But that wouldn't maximize their income. After all if you can afford a
$500 Wagyu dish you can clearly afford a $100 tip.

And the fact that they offered me a discount that made the food total
$17.50 shouldn’t keep him from getting $100 tip either

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if tipping was honest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5bIeAEKjRk

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On Jul 14, 2025 at 11:36:59 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <[email protected]> wrote:

Ubiquitous <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
"âdjust your tip"

How considerate of them to inform you that you overtipped!

Lol yeah

They also changed the default starting tip from two dollars to three
dollars

I find the food delivery tips being based on the value of the food (before coupons or deals) extraordinarily annoying. The guy brought a bag from the restaurant to my house. It’s the same amount of time and effort for him if it’s a bag of french fries or a multi hundred dollar fillet mignon.

Now, mileage, I’d understand.

Maybe you should just have the cops deliver your food...


https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1944079561307652096/pu/vid/avc1/960x720/jNX3vvFQ-kP37qnw.mp4?tag=12

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BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Jul 14, 2025 at 11:36:59 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <[email protected]> wrote:

Ubiquitous <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Uber, both rides and eats, are now sending you texts, suggesting you
"âdjust your tip"

How considerate of them to inform you that you overtipped!

Lol yeah

They also changed the default starting tip from two dollars to three
dollars

I find the food delivery tips being based on the value of the food (before >> coupons or deals) extraordinarily annoying. The guy brought a bag from the >> restaurant to my house. It’s the same amount of time and effort for him if >> it’s a bag of french fries or a multi hundred dollar fillet mignon.

Now, mileage, I’d understand.

Maybe you should just have the cops deliver your food...

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1944079561307652096/pu/vid/avc1/960x720/jNX3vvFQ-kP37qnw.mp4?tag=12

Cool. I am like 3 miles too far north though.



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On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California, they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

A great video on the various scams restaurants are using these days to trick you into tipping more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khm5AuIY42s

I myself have noticed the recent proliferation of tip amounts printed on the receipt which are calculated on your bill total. They're almost always calculated on the post-tax total, which I discount. Especially here in California, where the taxes are the highest in the country, no way am I paying a tip for the tax.

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BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on >> their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended >> up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California, >> they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

A great video on the various scams restaurants are using these days to trick you into tipping more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khm5AuIY42s

I myself have noticed the recent proliferation of tip amounts printed on the receipt which are calculated on your bill total. They're almost always calculated on the post-tax total, which I discount. Especially here in California, where the taxes are the highest in the country, no way am I paying
a tip for the tax.

I actually tipped 30% recently. I ordered some chicken from churches and I
got a text from the driver when she got there was told that it wouldn’t be ready for her to pick up for 20 minutes. She asked if I wanted to wait and
said she didn’t mind and I said great and bumped her tip up.

I’ve actually started tipping Uber rides 100% if I use their assisted rides because they are wildly discounted. It costs me like four dollars to go to
the doctor.

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 19:10:39 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:23:13 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <[email protected]> wrote:

The latest in the tip wars... businesses covering up the "no tip" option on >> their card readers. I was at Subway a couple days ago and saw this. I ended >> up
tapping the "custom tip" button and entering $0.00. I don't tip fast food
workers. They don't do much more than just hand me a bag, and in California, >> they're making $20/hour by law already, which is why my $5 foot-long now
costs
$14.00.

https://ibb.co/pW3khYk

A great video on the various scams restaurants are using these days to trick >you into tipping more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khm5AuIY42s

I myself have noticed the recent proliferation of tip amounts printed on the >receipt which are calculated on your bill total. They're almost always >calculated on the post-tax total, which I discount. Especially here in >California, where the taxes are the highest in the country, no way am I paying >a tip for the tax.

Their math is also lousy.

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 19:10:39 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
wrote:

I myself have noticed the recent proliferation of tip amounts printed on the >receipt which are calculated on your bill total. They're almost always >calculated on the post-tax total, which I discount. Especially here in >California, where the taxes are the highest in the country, no way am I paying >a tip for the tax.

It's for this reason I >NEVER< take the percentage option when it
comes up on the terminal. Besides my math skills are good enough to
calculate 10% then add whatever additional amount I want.

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 14:12:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

I’ve actually started tipping Uber rides 100% if I use their assisted rides >because they are wildly discounted. It costs me like four dollars to go to >the doctor.

I dunno - you must live a lot closer to the doc than I do - I took a
cab home after eye surgery 2 weeks ago and the net amount before tip
was in the $20-22 range.

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The Horny Goat <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 14:12:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

I’ve actually started tipping Uber rides 100% if I use their assisted rides
because they are wildly discounted. It costs me like four dollars to go to >> the doctor.

I dunno - you must live a lot closer to the doc than I do - I took a
cab home after eye surgery 2 weeks ago and the net amount before tip
was in the $20-22 range.

Uber here has a special “assist“ rate for people that need help or have walkers or anything like that. I use it to go to the doctor. It’s only four bucks I tip 100% on those rides.

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On 2025-09-01 00:37:57 +0000, The Horny Goat said:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 14:12:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

I'��ve actually started tipping Uber rides 100% if I use their assisted rides
because they are wildly discounted. It costs me like four dollars to go to >> the doctor.

I dunno - you must live a lot closer to the doc than I do - I took a
cab home after eye surgery 2 weeks ago and the net amount before tip
was in the $20-22 range.

OR, the doctor is the Uber driver. ;-)

In some countries there are quite a few legal immigrants who were
doctors, teachers, etc. in their original country, but do uber driving,
pizza delievery, etc. because their qualifications simply don't count
in their new country and/or re-qualification is expensive and time
consuming.

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