I saw this article just now and found myself thinking about indentured servitude of all things:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-bill-83-law-doctors-study-public-private-1.7517752

I don't know exactly how indentured servitude worked back in the day. It
was certainly different from slavery in that slavery was for life unless
your owner freed you and that slaves could be inherited.

I know that indentured servitude was typically for a period of 5 to 7
years and that you were free to go your own way after that. However, I'm
not sure if you received a salary or only room and board while you were
doing your servitude.

Certainly, these doctors are NOT working for free or for room and board
but I find myself wondering if a court challenge will find judges
telling Sante Quebec (Health Quebec in French) that they are violating
the human rights of doctors by forcing them to practice in the public
sector for 5 years whether they like it or not.

When my parents came to Canada, the government paid their passage and
then gave them a year to pay back that cost but the government did NOT
mandate where they worked, just that they had to work. (If there was
welfare in those days, it was meagre at best and there was plenty of
work to be found so they worked off the cost of their passage.)

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Rhino

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 15:32:51 -0400, Rhino
<[email protected]> wrote:

I saw this article just now and found myself thinking about indentured >servitude of all things:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-bill-83-law-doctors-study-public-private-1.7517752

It doesn't say but presumably the government is going to cover the
cost of medical school. Otherwise they are telling people you have to
work in the public sector for five years without the government giving
the doctors anything in return. Given the costs of medical school
there's no way I would want to sign up for that unless I was getting
something back in return.

I don't know exactly how indentured servitude worked back in the day. It
was certainly different from slavery in that slavery was for life unless
your owner freed you and that slaves could be inherited.

I know that indentured servitude was typically for a period of 5 to 7
years and that you were free to go your own way after that. However, I'm
not sure if you received a salary or only room and board while you were
doing your servitude.

Certainly, these doctors are NOT working for free or for room and board
but I find myself wondering if a court challenge will find judges
telling Sante Quebec (Health Quebec in French) that they are violating
the human rights of doctors by forcing them to practice in the public
sector for 5 years whether they like it or not.

Not for free but not for anything near what they are likely to make in
the private sector.

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On Apr 24, 2025 at 12:32:51 PM PDT, "Rhino" <[email protected]> wrote:

I saw this article just now and found myself thinking about indentured servitude of all things:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-bill-83-law-doctors-study-public-private-1.7517752

I don't know exactly how indentured servitude worked back in the day. It
was certainly different from slavery in that slavery was for life unless
your owner freed you and that slaves could be inherited.

I know that indentured servitude was typically for a period of 5 to 7
years and that you were free to go your own way after that. However, I'm
not sure if you received a salary or only room and board while you were
doing your servitude.

Certainly, these doctors are NOT working for free or for room and board
but I find myself wondering if a court challenge will find judges
telling Sante Quebec (Health Quebec in French) that they are violating
the human rights of doctors by forcing them to practice in the public
sector for 5 years whether they like it or not.

Does the U.S. recognize Canadidian medical degrees? If they are recognized, it seems to me if I was a Canadidian med school graduate, I'd get a work visa
and move to the U.S. to practice.

When my parents came to Canada, the government paid their passage and
then gave them a year to pay back that cost but the government did NOT mandate where they worked, just that they had to work. (If there was
welfare in those days, it was meagre at best and there was plenty of
work to be found so they worked off the cost of their passage.)

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BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Apr 24, 2025 at 12:32:51 PM PDT, "Rhino" <[email protected]> wrote:

I saw this article just now and found myself thinking about indentured
servitude of all things:


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-bill-83-law-doctors-study-public-private-1.7517752

I don't know exactly how indentured servitude worked back in the day. It
was certainly different from slavery in that slavery was for life unless
your owner freed you and that slaves could be inherited.

I know that indentured servitude was typically for a period of 5 to 7
years and that you were free to go your own way after that. However, I'm
not sure if you received a salary or only room and board while you were
doing your servitude.

Certainly, these doctors are NOT working for free or for room and board
but I find myself wondering if a court challenge will find judges
telling Sante Quebec (Health Quebec in French) that they are violating
the human rights of doctors by forcing them to practice in the public
sector for 5 years whether they like it or not.

Does the U.S. recognize Canadidian medical degrees? If they are recognized, it
seems to me if I was a Canadidian med school graduate, I'd get a work visa and move to the U.S. to practice.

Hell, we let in medical practitioners from Pakistan that don’t even know
the English names for the drugs. I can’t imagine we wouldn’t let in Canadians.

Siri says we do.


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On 2025-04-24 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 24, 2025 at 12:32:51 PM PDT, "Rhino" <[email protected]> wrote:

I saw this article just now and found myself thinking about indentured
servitude of all things:


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-bill-83-law-doctors-study-public-private-1.7517752

I don't know exactly how indentured servitude worked back in the day. It
was certainly different from slavery in that slavery was for life unless
your owner freed you and that slaves could be inherited.

I know that indentured servitude was typically for a period of 5 to 7
years and that you were free to go your own way after that. However, I'm
not sure if you received a salary or only room and board while you were
doing your servitude.

Certainly, these doctors are NOT working for free or for room and board
but I find myself wondering if a court challenge will find judges
telling Sante Quebec (Health Quebec in French) that they are violating
the human rights of doctors by forcing them to practice in the public
sector for 5 years whether they like it or not.

Does the U.S. recognize Canadidian medical degrees? If they are recognized, it
seems to me if I was a Canadidian med school graduate, I'd get a work visa and move to the U.S. to practice.

I'm not sure about doctors but I know we've had a real issue with nurses trained here getting scooped up by US hospitals to work there. That's
been going on for many years now. Next time you're in a hospital, ask
around and see how many of your nurses are Canadian. I'd be interested
in what you hear.

When my parents came to Canada, the government paid their passage and
then gave them a year to pay back that cost but the government did NOT
mandate where they worked, just that they had to work. (If there was
welfare in those days, it was meagre at best and there was plenty of
work to be found so they worked off the cost of their passage.)

--
Rhino

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On 2025-04-24 5:57 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:

BTR1701 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Apr 24, 2025 at 12:32:51 PM PDT, "Rhino" <[email protected]> >> wrote:

I saw this article just now and found myself thinking about indentured
servitude of all things:


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-bill-83-law-doctors-study-public-private-1.7517752

I don't know exactly how indentured servitude worked back in the day. It >>> was certainly different from slavery in that slavery was for life unless >>> your owner freed you and that slaves could be inherited.

I know that indentured servitude was typically for a period of 5 to 7
years and that you were free to go your own way after that. However, I'm >>> not sure if you received a salary or only room and board while you were
doing your servitude.

Certainly, these doctors are NOT working for free or for room and board
but I find myself wondering if a court challenge will find judges
telling Sante Quebec (Health Quebec in French) that they are violating
the human rights of doctors by forcing them to practice in the public
sector for 5 years whether they like it or not.

Does the U.S. recognize Canadidian medical degrees? If they are recognized, it
seems to me if I was a Canadidian med school graduate, I'd get a work visa >> and move to the U.S. to practice.

Hell, we let in medical practitioners from Pakistan that don’t even know the English names for the drugs. I can’t imagine we wouldn’t let in Canadians.

Siri says we do.

I wonder how Quebec will react when suddenly no one is going to medical
school in Quebec due to these new requirements? I'm guessing they find
that they have to pay a salary comparable to what private practitioners
are getting....

--
Rhino

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