This is both great and scary. The idea is that you can encode messages
into music or other sounds that an AI can pick up that no human would
notice. In this video the designer goes into how he introduces the
poison pills that do things like tell Alexa or Siri to do things while
sounding perfectly normal to us.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA
The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files


He has an example of what sounds like a simple song from someone
playing a piano. Nothing at all unusual in how it sounds. Yet the AI
picks up a series of instructions and pops up a video. As he points
out this could easily be an instruction to unlock all your doors.

In his case, as a musician, he wants to stop AI companies from using
his and others music without proper compensation. Hence the idea of
introducing a "poison pill" into their music that will corrupt the AI
data bases if they use that music, and yet will sound perfectly normal
to any human.

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:41:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Apr 16, 2025 at 9:24:22 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> >wrote:

This is both great and scary. The idea is that you can encode messages
into music or other sounds that an AI can pick up that no human would
notice. In this video the designer goes into how he introduces the
poison pills that do things like tell Alexa or Siri to do things while
sounding perfectly normal to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA
The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files

He has an example of what sounds like a simple song from someone
playing a piano. Nothing at all unusual in how it sounds. Yet the AI
picks up a series of instructions and pops up a video. As he points
out this could easily be an instruction to unlock all your doors.

Which wouldn't matter to people like me whose doors lock the old fashioned >way: when a human turns the bolt.

It's the best way. I never understood why someone would want to make
their home so dependent on voice technology unless they were somehow
limited. So someone who is bed ridden might get a lot of use at being
able to turn on/off the lights with a voice command but does an able
bodied person really need that? As you point out it gets worse with
something like controlling doors where anyone might be able to unlock
them with either their own voice or a recording of yours. Where as
with a manual lock you know if it's been locked and will stay locked.

In his case, as a musician, he wants to stop AI companies from using
his and others music without proper compensation. Hence the idea of
introducing a "poison pill" into their music that will corrupt the AI
data bases if they use that music, and yet will sound perfectly normal
to any human.

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On Apr 16, 2025 at 9:24:22 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> wrote:

This is both great and scary. The idea is that you can encode messages
into music or other sounds that an AI can pick up that no human would
notice. In this video the designer goes into how he introduces the
poison pills that do things like tell Alexa or Siri to do things while sounding perfectly normal to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA
The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files

He has an example of what sounds like a simple song from someone
playing a piano. Nothing at all unusual in how it sounds. Yet the AI
picks up a series of instructions and pops up a video. As he points
out this could easily be an instruction to unlock all your doors.

Which wouldn't matter to people like me whose doors lock the old fashioned
way: when a human turns the bolt.

Just sayin'...

In his case, as a musician, he wants to stop AI companies from using
his and others music without proper compensation. Hence the idea of introducing a "poison pill" into their music that will corrupt the AI
data bases if they use that music, and yet will sound perfectly normal
to any human.

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I'm not going to tag this off topic as we regularly discuss how
allegations of copyright infringement thwart creativity.

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

This is both great and scary. The idea is that you can encode messages
into music or other sounds that an AI can pick up that no human would
notice. In this video the designer goes into how he introduces the
poison pills that do things like tell Alexa or Siri to do things while >sounding perfectly normal to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA
The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files

He has an example of what sounds like a simple song from someone
playing a piano. Nothing at all unusual in how it sounds. Yet the AI
picks up a series of instructions and pops up a video. As he points
out this could easily be an instruction to unlock all your doors.

I'm not going to panic. I'm not blaming the fact of AI. I'm blaming the consumer for having purchased "Internet of things" without considering unintended consequences. Without considering sabotage via AI, ANY
connected device relies upon regular software upgrades plus the ability
to interact with the server. Well, the manufacturer cannot be required
to provide support beyond the warranty period, or stay in that line of
business in which they even have the ability to provide support.

A famous example was OnStar technology in GM vehicles. That relied upon
a satellite. At some point, either the satellite was decommissioned or
GM didn't renew its contract.

Anybody could find himself subject to failure of mission-critical
technology in a scenario without a way to override manually. AI
introduces all new unfortunate circumstances, but the moment technology
is networks, the genie has already been let out of the bottle.

As far as embedding code, that's been done ever since the invention of
the written word. People want to communicate privately and would attempt
to encode messages into writing that on its face appears to be something
else. Music itself has been useful for broadcast of encoded messages
that only those who know what to look for would notice.

In his case, as a musician, he wants to stop AI companies from using
his and others music without proper compensation. Hence the idea of >introducing a "poison pill" into their music that will corrupt the AI
data bases if they use that music, and yet will sound perfectly normal
to any human.

That's nice. What if a music historian uses AI to analyze the music he
composed to identify each and every chord change and harmonic
progression he "borrowed" from existing music? You can find anything in
a Gregorian chant or Bach.

Fuck him. He didn't pay any royalties. By his own logic, he should be
put out of business.

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shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:41:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Apr 16, 2025 at 9:24:22 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> >> wrote:

This is both great and scary. The idea is that you can encode messages
into music or other sounds that an AI can pick up that no human would
notice. In this video the designer goes into how he introduces the
poison pills that do things like tell Alexa or Siri to do things while
sounding perfectly normal to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA
The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files

He has an example of what sounds like a simple song from someone
playing a piano. Nothing at all unusual in how it sounds. Yet the AI
picks up a series of instructions and pops up a video. As he points
out this could easily be an instruction to unlock all your doors.

Which wouldn't matter to people like me whose doors lock the old fashioned >> way: when a human turns the bolt.

It's the best way. I never understood why someone would want to make
their home so dependent on voice technology unless they were somehow
limited.

I’ve been looking into it. At some point, I’m going to need to call for help and not be able to get to the door and once the fireman break the door
in to get to me how do they secure the house?

I imagine there’s somewayto have one of those watches that automatically calls for help when you fall unlock the door for you at the same time.

The flipside is that it would be nice to lock the door remotely if you
don’t usually leave it locked.


So someone who is bed ridden might get a lot of use at being

able to turn on/off the lights with a voice command but does an able
bodied person really need that? As you point out it gets worse with
something like controlling doors where anyone might be able to unlock
them with either their own voice or a recording of yours. Where as
with a manual lock you know if it's been locked and will stay locked.

In his case, as a musician, he wants to stop AI companies from using
his and others music without proper compensation. Hence the idea of
introducing a "poison pill" into their music that will corrupt the AI
data bases if they use that music, and yet will sound perfectly normal
to any human.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:26:00 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:41:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Apr 16, 2025 at 9:24:22 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> >>> wrote:

This is both great and scary. The idea is that you can encode messages >>>> into music or other sounds that an AI can pick up that no human would
notice. In this video the designer goes into how he introduces the
poison pills that do things like tell Alexa or Siri to do things while >>>> sounding perfectly normal to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA
The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files

He has an example of what sounds like a simple song from someone
playing a piano. Nothing at all unusual in how it sounds. Yet the AI
picks up a series of instructions and pops up a video. As he points
out this could easily be an instruction to unlock all your doors.

Which wouldn't matter to people like me whose doors lock the old fashioned >>> way: when a human turns the bolt.

It's the best way. I never understood why someone would want to make
their home so dependent on voice technology unless they were somehow
limited.

I’ve been looking into it. At some point, I’m going to need to call for >help and not be able to get to the door and once the fireman break the door >in to get to me how do they secure the house?

I don't know how it works but I recall there are systems in place
where Amazon or other delivery services can get into your garage to
drop off packages and then it locks up afterwards. Not sure if that is applicable to your home doors but seems like a potential solution.

I imagine there’s somewayto have one of those watches that automatically >calls for help when you fall unlock the door for you at the same time.

Then you drop the watch while getting ready for a shower and the door
is unlocked but you don't realize it.

The flipside is that it would be nice to lock the door remotely if you >don’t usually leave it locked.

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shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:26:00 -0700, anim8rfsk <[email protected]>
wrote:

shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:41:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Apr 16, 2025 at 9:24:22 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]>
wrote:

This is both great and scary. The idea is that you can encode messages >>>>> into music or other sounds that an AI can pick up that no human would >>>>> notice. In this video the designer goes into how he introduces the
poison pills that do things like tell Alexa or Siri to do things while >>>>> sounding perfectly normal to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA
The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files

He has an example of what sounds like a simple song from someone
playing a piano. Nothing at all unusual in how it sounds. Yet the AI >>>>> picks up a series of instructions and pops up a video. As he points
out this could easily be an instruction to unlock all your doors.

Which wouldn't matter to people like me whose doors lock the old fashioned >>>> way: when a human turns the bolt.

It's the best way. I never understood why someone would want to make
their home so dependent on voice technology unless they were somehow
limited.

I’ve been looking into it. At some point, I’m going to need to call for >> help and not be able to get to the door and once the fireman break the door >> in to get to me how do they secure the house?

I don't know how it works but I recall there are systems in place
where Amazon or other delivery services can get into your garage to
drop off packages and then it locks up afterwards. Not sure if that is applicable to your home doors but seems like a potential solution.

That Amazon system actually started with you giving the drivers access to
your front door. They later decided that wasn’t such a great idea and
changed it to the garage.

I imagine there’s somewayto have one of those watches that automatically >> calls for help when you fall unlock the door for you at the same time.

Then you drop the watch while getting ready for a shower and the door
is unlocked but you don't realize it.

Pretty sure you especially keep your emergency watch on while you take a shower! :-)

The flipside is that it would be nice to lock the door remotely if you
don’t usually leave it locked.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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