• Paradise "Wildcat Is Down"

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 05:47:54 2025
    Hey! I was able to watch without knowing the revelation, although the
    Wikipedia article spoils it.

    I was impressed with Dan Fogelman's writing. Fogelman has done some good
    work for tv, The Neighbors (starring Jami Gertz and Lenny Venito),
    Galavant, and Pitch. He does the 27 simultaneous timelines thing as he
    did in the pilot episode of This Is Us, also starring Sterling K. Brown
    and with a huge revelation. That's annoying.

    Brown plays Agent Collins.

    His kid is played by the son of the actor who played Wallace on Veronica
    Mars. The president's shrewish ex-wife is played by the evil Tess from Smallville. The president (seen only in flashback) is played by the
    goofy Prince Edward from Enchanted.

    Freckled-face Julianne Nicholson plays another supervising Secret
    Service agent (I think); Sarah Shahi is listed but didn't appear.

    Jon Beavers is another agent, Billy, whom Collins relies upon who was coincidentally poisoned and unconscious during the assasination.

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  • From Ian J. Ball@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat Apr 12 08:15:17 2025
    On 4/11/25 10:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Hey! I was able to watch without knowing the revelation, although the Wikipedia article spoils it.

    I was impressed with Dan Fogelman's writing. Fogelman has done some good
    work for tv, The Neighbors (starring Jami Gertz and Lenny Venito),
    Galavant, and Pitch. He does the 27 simultaneous timelines thing as he
    did in the pilot episode of This Is Us, also starring Sterling K. Brown
    and with a huge revelation. That's annoying.

    Brown plays Agent Collins.

    His kid is played by the son of the actor who played Wallace on Veronica Mars. The president's shrewish ex-wife is played by the evil Tess from Smallville. The president (seen only in flashback) is played by the
    goofy Prince Edward from Enchanted.

    Freckled-face Julianne Nicholson plays another supervising Secret
    Service agent (I think);

    She is definitely not that!

    Sarah Shahi is listed but didn't appear.

    She doesn't appear until episode #2.

    Jon Beavers is another agent, Billy, whom Collins relies upon who was coincidentally poisoned and unconscious during the assasination.

    Not poisoned - just sleeping.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Sat Apr 12 17:56:42 2025
    Ian J. Ball <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 4/11/25 10:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Hey! I was able to watch without knowing the revelation, although the >>Wikipedia article spoils it.

    I was impressed with Dan Fogelman's writing. Fogelman has done some good >>work for tv, The Neighbors (starring Jami Gertz and Lenny Venito), >>Galavant, and Pitch. He does the 27 simultaneous timelines thing as he
    did in the pilot episode of This Is Us, also starring Sterling K. Brown
    and with a huge revelation. That's annoying.

    Brown plays Agent Collins.

    His kid is played by the son of the actor who played Wallace on Veronica >>Mars. The president's shrewish ex-wife is played by the evil Tess from >>Smallville. The president (seen only in flashback) is played by the
    goofy Prince Edward from Enchanted.

    Freckled-face Julianne Nicholson plays another supervising Secret
    Service agent (I think);

    She is definitely not that!

    Sarah Shahi is listed but didn't appear.

    She doesn't appear until episode #2.

    Jon Beavers is another agent, Billy, whom Collins relies upon who was >>coincidentally poisoned and unconscious during the assasination.

    Not poisoned - just sleeping.

    That was just coincidence? Ok

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Apr 12 14:38:46 2025
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:56:42 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Ian J. Ball <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 4/11/25 10:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Hey! I was able to watch without knowing the revelation, although the >>>Wikipedia article spoils it.

    I was impressed with Dan Fogelman's writing. Fogelman has done some good >>>work for tv, The Neighbors (starring Jami Gertz and Lenny Venito), >>>Galavant, and Pitch. He does the 27 simultaneous timelines thing as he >>>did in the pilot episode of This Is Us, also starring Sterling K. Brown >>>and with a huge revelation. That's annoying.

    Brown plays Agent Collins.

    His kid is played by the son of the actor who played Wallace on Veronica >>>Mars. The president's shrewish ex-wife is played by the evil Tess from >>>Smallville. The president (seen only in flashback) is played by the
    goofy Prince Edward from Enchanted.

    Freckled-face Julianne Nicholson plays another supervising Secret
    Service agent (I think);

    She is definitely not that!

    Sarah Shahi is listed but didn't appear.

    She doesn't appear until episode #2.

    Jon Beavers is another agent, Billy, whom Collins relies upon who was >>>coincidentally poisoned and unconscious during the assasination.

    Not poisoned - just sleeping.

    That was just coincidence? Ok

    He's a bit of an idiot. More so than one might expect for a Secret
    Service agent on the President's detail, but it helps the story move
    forward.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 18:48:18 2025
    On Apr 12, 2025 at 11:38:46 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:56:42 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Ian J. Ball <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 4/11/25 10:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Hey! I was able to watch without knowing the revelation, although the
    Wikipedia article spoils it.

    I was impressed with Dan Fogelman's writing. Fogelman has done some good >>>> work for tv, The Neighbors (starring Jami Gertz and Lenny Venito),
    Galavant, and Pitch. He does the 27 simultaneous timelines thing as he >>>> did in the pilot episode of This Is Us, also starring Sterling K. Brown >>>> and with a huge revelation. That's annoying.

    Brown plays Agent Collins.

    His kid is played by the son of the actor who played Wallace on Veronica >>>> Mars. The president's shrewish ex-wife is played by the evil Tess from >>>> Smallville. The president (seen only in flashback) is played by the
    goofy Prince Edward from Enchanted.

    Freckled-face Julianne Nicholson plays another supervising Secret
    Service agent (I think);

    She is definitely not that!

    Sarah Shahi is listed but didn't appear.

    She doesn't appear until episode #2.

    Jon Beavers is another agent, Billy, whom Collins relies upon who was
    coincidentally poisoned and unconscious during the assasination.

    Not poisoned - just sleeping.

    That was just coincidence? Ok

    He's a bit of an idiot. More so than one might expect for a Secret
    Service agent on the President's detail, but it helps the story move
    forward.

    Were they really even Secret Service anymore at that point? And were they all actually former USSS agents?

    I got the impression that they were essentially just personal security since the world ended and the USSS didn't even exist anymore and that some of them may not even have been USSS before it all collapsed. Like the psychopathic little girl agent. She didn't strike me as former USSS, just someone Sinatra had embedded into the president's security.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Sat Apr 12 19:36:34 2025
    shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

    . . .

    I don't know about the girl but the two guys in question were both
    USSS. Since the guy was officially President when they went into
    hiding I would say he was still the President and they were still his >official Secret Service protection detail. After all isn't the entire
    idea is to have continuity of leadership even in the case of a nuclear
    war?

    He can't be president. Per the Twentieth Amendment, his second term had
    a definitive end, January 20 at noon. There's not "or until his
    successor has been elected and qualified" in the Constitution.

    Of course, if there is no more United States of America, it matters not.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 15:24:08 2025
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 18:48:18 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Apr 12, 2025 at 11:38:46 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> >wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:56:42 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Ian J. Ball <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 4/11/25 10:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Hey! I was able to watch without knowing the revelation, although the >>>>> Wikipedia article spoils it.

    I was impressed with Dan Fogelman's writing. Fogelman has done some good >>>>> work for tv, The Neighbors (starring Jami Gertz and Lenny Venito),
    Galavant, and Pitch. He does the 27 simultaneous timelines thing as he >>>>> did in the pilot episode of This Is Us, also starring Sterling K. Brown >>>>> and with a huge revelation. That's annoying.

    Brown plays Agent Collins.

    His kid is played by the son of the actor who played Wallace on Veronica >>>>> Mars. The president's shrewish ex-wife is played by the evil Tess from >>>>> Smallville. The president (seen only in flashback) is played by the
    goofy Prince Edward from Enchanted.

    Freckled-face Julianne Nicholson plays another supervising Secret
    Service agent (I think);

    She is definitely not that!

    Sarah Shahi is listed but didn't appear.

    She doesn't appear until episode #2.

    Jon Beavers is another agent, Billy, whom Collins relies upon who was >>>>> coincidentally poisoned and unconscious during the assasination.

    Not poisoned - just sleeping.

    That was just coincidence? Ok

    He's a bit of an idiot. More so than one might expect for a Secret
    Service agent on the President's detail, but it helps the story move
    forward.

    Were they really even Secret Service anymore at that point? And were they all >actually former USSS agents?

    I got the impression that they were essentially just personal security since >the world ended and the USSS didn't even exist anymore and that some of them >may not even have been USSS before it all collapsed. Like the psychopathic >little girl agent. She didn't strike me as former USSS, just someone Sinatra >had embedded into the president's security.


    I don't know about the girl but the two guys in question were both
    USSS. Since the guy was officially President when they went into
    hiding I would say he was still the President and they were still his
    official Secret Service protection detail. After all isn't the entire
    idea is to have continuity of leadership even in the case of a nuclear
    war?

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 20:10:53 2025
    On Apr 12, 2025 at 12:24:08 PM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 18:48:18 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Apr 12, 2025 at 11:38:46 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> >> wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:56:42 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Ian J. Ball <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 4/11/25 10:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Hey! I was able to watch without knowing the revelation, although the >>>>>> Wikipedia article spoils it.

    I was impressed with Dan Fogelman's writing. Fogelman has done some good
    work for tv, The Neighbors (starring Jami Gertz and Lenny Venito), >>>>>> Galavant, and Pitch. He does the 27 simultaneous timelines thing as he >>>>>> did in the pilot episode of This Is Us, also starring Sterling K. Brown >>>>>> and with a huge revelation. That's annoying.

    Brown plays Agent Collins.

    His kid is played by the son of the actor who played Wallace on Veronica
    Mars. The president's shrewish ex-wife is played by the evil Tess from >>>>>> Smallville. The president (seen only in flashback) is played by the >>>>>> goofy Prince Edward from Enchanted.

    Freckled-face Julianne Nicholson plays another supervising Secret >>>>>> Service agent (I think);

    She is definitely not that!

    Sarah Shahi is listed but didn't appear.

    She doesn't appear until episode #2.

    Jon Beavers is another agent, Billy, whom Collins relies upon who was >>>>>> coincidentally poisoned and unconscious during the assasination.

    Not poisoned - just sleeping.

    That was just coincidence? Ok

    He's a bit of an idiot. More so than one might expect for a Secret
    Service agent on the President's detail, but it helps the story move
    forward.

    Were they really even Secret Service anymore at that point? And were they all
    actually former USSS agents?

    I got the impression that they were essentially just personal security since >> the world ended and the USSS didn't even exist anymore and that some of them >> may not even have been USSS before it all collapsed. Like the psychopathic >> little girl agent. She didn't strike me as former USSS, just someone Sinatra >> had embedded into the president's security.


    I don't know about the girl but the two guys in question were both
    USSS. Since the guy was officially President when they went into
    hiding I would say he was still the President and they were still his official Secret Service protection detail. After all isn't the entire
    idea is to have continuity of leadership even in the case of a nuclear
    war?

    Well, he was still walking around and being treated as president long after he would have termed out of office, so things aren't being run "legally" anymore in the first place.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 17:10:11 2025
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 20:10:53 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Apr 12, 2025 at 12:24:08 PM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]> >wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 18:48:18 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Apr 12, 2025 at 11:38:46 AM PDT, "shawn" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:56:42 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Ian J. Ball <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 4/11/25 10:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Hey! I was able to watch without knowing the revelation, although the >>>>>>> Wikipedia article spoils it.

    I was impressed with Dan Fogelman's writing. Fogelman has done some good
    work for tv, The Neighbors (starring Jami Gertz and Lenny Venito), >>>>>>> Galavant, and Pitch. He does the 27 simultaneous timelines thing as he >>>>>>> did in the pilot episode of This Is Us, also starring Sterling K. Brown
    and with a huge revelation. That's annoying.

    Brown plays Agent Collins.

    His kid is played by the son of the actor who played Wallace on Veronica
    Mars. The president's shrewish ex-wife is played by the evil Tess from >>>>>>> Smallville. The president (seen only in flashback) is played by the >>>>>>> goofy Prince Edward from Enchanted.

    Freckled-face Julianne Nicholson plays another supervising Secret >>>>>>> Service agent (I think);

    She is definitely not that!

    Sarah Shahi is listed but didn't appear.

    She doesn't appear until episode #2.

    Jon Beavers is another agent, Billy, whom Collins relies upon who was >>>>>>> coincidentally poisoned and unconscious during the assasination.

    Not poisoned - just sleeping.

    That was just coincidence? Ok

    He's a bit of an idiot. More so than one might expect for a Secret
    Service agent on the President's detail, but it helps the story move
    forward.

    Were they really even Secret Service anymore at that point? And were they all
    actually former USSS agents?

    I got the impression that they were essentially just personal security since
    the world ended and the USSS didn't even exist anymore and that some of them
    may not even have been USSS before it all collapsed. Like the psychopathic >>> little girl agent. She didn't strike me as former USSS, just someone Sinatra
    had embedded into the president's security.


    I don't know about the girl but the two guys in question were both
    USSS. Since the guy was officially President when they went into
    hiding I would say he was still the President and they were still his
    official Secret Service protection detail. After all isn't the entire
    idea is to have continuity of leadership even in the case of a nuclear
    war?

    Well, he was still walking around and being treated as president long after he >would have termed out of office, so things aren't being run "legally" anymore >in the first place.


    What would be the legal situation if the President's term was up BUT
    there was a war or some other crisis underway such that we couldn't
    run an election? Does the President keep acting as President until
    such time as there can be an election? Is it just an unknown
    situation?

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Sat Apr 12 21:25:30 2025
    shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

    . . .

    What would be the legal situation if the President's term was up BUT
    there was a war or some other crisis underway such that we couldn't
    run an election? Does the President keep acting as President until
    such time as there can be an election? Is it just an unknown
    situation?

    If the United States of America still exists, we know that the term of
    office ends on a date definite, as I pointed out in my other followup.
    Robert's Rules of Order suggests "or until his successor is elected and qualified" in sample bylaws but that's not in the Constitution.

    With invasion or natural disaster, then the election would be held in
    sone states but not others. In some states, there may be time for the legislature to meet, get rid of the election, and just appoint electors.

    If the argument is made that no president has been elected, then it
    falls to the House of Representatives; the Senate appoints the vice
    president. There is a provision that if the president-elect dies or
    doesn't qualify, then the vice-president-elect gets sworn in as
    president.

    If Congress cannot meet, then I guess provisions if the 25th Amendment
    apply or you get the Secretary of Education as designated successor, a
    la Battlestar Gallactica. What was Kiefer Sutherland, Secretary of Labor?

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