On 3/31/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:02:23 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <[email protected]> wrote:
A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has himOk. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in >>>>> public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or >>>>> hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal
election.
Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a >>>>>> comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a >>>>>> city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate in Toronto
for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran afoul of the
local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational-
repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip >>>>>
Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke
but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are calling for
Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. Mark Carney,
the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is >>>>>> resisting demands to dump Chiang.
Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die >>>>>> quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years. >>>>>
If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could >>>>> have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's >>>>> perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's funny. He needs
to apologize. What a jerk.
Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong
actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy activism is >>>> pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney but not >>>> for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me either. The >>>> opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it can hurt Chiang
and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually be serious.
Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers
manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour and making >>>> it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to them. I >>>> don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA!
We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back,
although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is >>>> still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow kept it >>>> from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out.
You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent?
Seriously?
Were you concerned that Sarah Palin was seriously planning to have a sniper >> shoot Democrat congressional candidates in the districts her website labeled
with crosshairs?
Ummm ...no?
On 3/31/2025 5:25 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-31 5:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:Probably not personally but he was proposing that others in the
On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <[email protected]> wrote:
A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has him >>>>>> in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal >>>>>> election.Ok. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in >>>>> public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or >>>>> hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a >>>>>> comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a >>>>>> city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate in
Toronto
for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran afoul >>>>>> of the
local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational-
repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip >>>>>
Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke >>>>>> but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are calling >>>>>> for
Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. Mark
Carney,
the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is
resisting demands to dump Chiang.
Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die >>>>>> quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years. >>>>>
If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could >>>>> have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's >>>>> perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's funny. He
needs
to apologize. What a jerk.
Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong
actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy activism
is pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney but
not for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me
either. The opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it
can hurt Chiang and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually >>>> be serious.
Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers
manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour and
making it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to
them. I don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA!
We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back,
although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is >>>> still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow kept
it from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out.
You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent?
Seriously?
"community" do so and there are a LOT of Chinese-Canadians in that area.
Some of them certainly have more loyalty to the CCP than Canada if their
participation if pro-China demonstrations are any guide.
A reward of at least $183,000 gives anyone a lot of incentive to bring
Mr. Tay to the Chinese consulate or one of their secret police stations.
Then I'll concede that it seems at least in clumsy bad taste ...though
I'm surprised to hear that CCP loyalists abound in North America.
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:55:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/31/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:02:23 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <[email protected]> wrote:
A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has him
in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal
election.
Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a >>>>>>> comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a
city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate in Toronto
for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran afoul of the
local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational- >>>>>>> repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip >>>>>>
Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke
but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are calling for
Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. Mark Carney,
the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is >>>>>>> resisting demands to dump Chiang.
Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die >>>>>>> quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years.
Ok. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in
public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or >>>>>> hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could >>>>>> have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's
perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's funny. He needs
to apologize. What a jerk.
Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong >>>>> actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy activism is
pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney but not
for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me either. The
opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it can hurt Chiang
and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually be serious. >>>>>
Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers
manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour and making
it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to them. I >>>>> don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA!
We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back, >>>>> although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is >>>>> still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow kept it
from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out.
You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent? >>>>
Seriously?
Were you concerned that Sarah Palin was seriously planning to have a sniper
shoot Democrat congressional candidates in the districts her website labeled
with crosshairs?
Ummm ...no?
Well, most of the Democrat establishment certainly claimed to be after the Loughner shooting.
On Mar 31, 2025 at 3:06:25 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/31/2025 5:25 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-31 5:02 PM, moviePig wrote:Then I'll concede that it seems at least in clumsy bad taste ...though
On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:Probably not personally but he was proposing that others in the
On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Rhino <[email protected]> wrote:
A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has himOk. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in >>>>>> public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or >>>>>> hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal
election.
Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a >>>>>>> comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a >>>>>>> city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate in >>>>>>> Toronto
for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran afoul >>>>>>> of the
local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational-
repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip >>>>>>
Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke
but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are calling >>>>>>> for
Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. Mark >>>>>>> Carney,
the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is >>>>>>> resisting demands to dump Chiang.
Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die >>>>>>> quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years. >>>>>>
If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could >>>>>> have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's >>>>>> perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's funny. He >>>>>> needs
to apologize. What a jerk.
Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong >>>>> actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy activism >>>>> is pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney but >>>>> not for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me
either. The opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it >>>>> can hurt Chiang and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually >>>>> be serious.
Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers
manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour and
making it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to >>>>> them. I don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA!
We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back,
although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is >>>>> still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow kept >>>>> it from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out.
You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent? >>>>
Seriously?
"community" do so and there are a LOT of Chinese-Canadians in that area. >>> Some of them certainly have more loyalty to the CCP than Canada if their >>> participation if pro-China demonstrations are any guide.
A reward of at least $183,000 gives anyone a lot of incentive to bring >>> Mr. Tay to the Chinese consulate or one of their secret police stations. >>
I'm surprised to hear that CCP loyalists abound in North America.
Not only abound, but have some famous Americans among their ranks, not the least of which have the surname Biden.
On 4/1/2025 12:52 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:55:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote: >>
On 3/31/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:02:23 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent? >>>>>
Rhino <[email protected]> wrote:
A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has him
in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal
election.
Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a
comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a
city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate in Toronto
for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran afoul of the
local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational- >>>>>>>> repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip
Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke
but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are calling for
Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. Mark Carney,
the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is >>>>>>>> resisting demands to dump Chiang.
Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die
quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years.
Ok. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in
public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or
hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could
have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's
perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's funny. He needs
to apologize. What a jerk.
Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong >>>>>> actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy activism is
pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney but not
for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me either. The
opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it can hurt Chiang
and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually be serious. >>>>>>
Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers >>>>>> manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour and making
it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to them. I
don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA!
We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back, >>>>>> although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is
still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow kept it
from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out. >>>>>
Seriously?
Were you concerned that Sarah Palin was seriously planning to have a >>>> sniper
shoot Democrat congressional candidates in the districts her website >>>> labeled
with crosshairs?
Ummm ...no?
Well, most of the Democrat establishment certainly claimed to be after the >> Loughner shooting.
The same "establishment" who claimed Dick Cheney didn't miss?
On Apr 1, 2025 at 7:53:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/1/2025 12:52 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:55:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
On 3/31/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:02:23 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent? >>>>>>
Rhino <[email protected]> wrote:
A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has him
in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal
election.
Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a
comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a
city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate in Toronto
for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran afoul of the
local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational- >>>>>>>>> repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip
Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke
but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are calling for
Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. Mark Carney,
the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is >>>>>>>>> resisting demands to dump Chiang.
Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die
quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years.
Ok. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in
public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or
hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could
have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's
perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's funny. He needs
to apologize. What a jerk.
Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong
actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy activism is
pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney but not
for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me either. The
opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it can hurt Chiang
and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually be serious. >>>>>>>
Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers >>>>>>> manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour and making
it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to them. I
don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA!
We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back, >>>>>>> although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is
still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow kept it
from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out. >>>>>>
Seriously?
Were you concerned that Sarah Palin was seriously planning to have a >>>>> sniper
shoot Democrat congressional candidates in the districts her website >>>>> labeled
with crosshairs?
Ummm ...no?
Well, most of the Democrat establishment certainly claimed to be after the
Loughner shooting.
The same "establishment" who claimed Dick Cheney didn't miss?
Perhaps. But even to this day, Democrats like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz claim Loughner was inspired by the bullseyes on Palin's website to commit his crime,
despite all the independent law enforcement investigations into the incident showing that Loughner was not political in any way.
So do you believe the Democrat mantra that "violent speech and imagery inspires violence against politicians" or are the Democrats full of shit?
On 4/1/2025 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Apr 1, 2025 at 7:53:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/1/2025 12:52 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:55:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/31/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:02:23 PM PDT, "moviePig" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent?
Rhino <[email protected]> wrote:
A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has him
in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal
election.
Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a
comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a
city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate >>>>>>>>>> in Toronto
for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran >>>>>>>>>> afoul of the
local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational- >>>>>>>>>> repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip
Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke
but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are >>>>>>>>>> calling for
Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. >>>>>>>>>> Mark Carney,
the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is
resisting demands to dump Chiang.
Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die
quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years.
Ok. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in
public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or
hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could
have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's
perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's >>>>>>>>> funny. He needs
to apologize. What a jerk.
Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong
actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy >>>>>>>> activism is
pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney >>>>>>>> but not
for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me >>>>>>>> either. The
opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it can >>>>>>>> hurt Chiang
and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually be serious.
Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers >>>>>>>> manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour >>>>>>>> and making
it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to them. I
don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA! >>>>>>>>
We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back,
although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is
still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow >>>>>>>> kept it
from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out. >>>>>>>
Seriously?
Were you concerned that Sarah Palin was seriously planning to have a
sniper
shoot Democrat congressional candidates in the districts her website
labeled
with crosshairs?
Ummm ...no?
Well, most of the Democrat establishment certainly claimed to be after the
Loughner shooting.
The same "establishment" who claimed Dick Cheney didn't miss?
Perhaps. But even to this day, Democrats like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz claim
Loughner was inspired by the bullseyes on Palin's website to commit his
crime,
despite all the independent law enforcement investigations into the incident
showing that Loughner was not political in any way.
So do you believe the Democrat mantra that "violent speech and imagery
inspires violence against politicians" or are the Democrats full of shit?
I believe that "violent speech and imagery against politicians" doesn't
help, but that's it's far from being a critical factor (though I can't
say the same for a general normalization of gunplay). Meanwhile, are
you really asking if Democrats, like Republicans, are full of shit?
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