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He says condoms are birth control and that's bad.

When is he going to be investigated for pedophilia?


Vance appeared on Tucker Carlson�s show back when he
was still a Fox News host. Like Carlson, Vance had
once opposed Donald Trump, and like Carlson, he had
transformed into a prominent Trump supporter and a
rabid participant in the culture wars. �We are
effectively run in the country, via the Democrats,
via our corporate oligarchs,� he told Carlson, �by a
bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at
their own lives and the choices that they�ve made,
and so they want to make the rest of the country
miserable, too.� He went on to name Kamala Harris
(and Pete Buttigieg, and AOC) as his prime examples
of the childless leaders who should be excluded from
positions of power.

For years, Vance has played a key role in the elite
echelons of the New Right, which can be described,
loosely, as the intellectual wing of the Trumpified
GOP (including many of the people in charge of
Project 2025). This mixed-up group of intellectuals,
activists, politicians and influencers is made up of
a wide array of characters, who hold to a variety of
belief systems and sometimes have divergent policy
goals.

But the one instinct that Vance and the rest of the
New Right share is a deep skepticism about modern
feminism and gender equality � or what the New Right
calls �gender ideology.� Overt chauvinism that seeks
to roll back much of feminism�s gains is one of the
most obvious unifying threads of this varied
movement, and Trump�s choice of Vance anoints and
entrenches it into the culture-war side of the MAGA
movement.

Vance appears to be a decent family man � someone who
supports traditional conservative values, and is even
willing to buck conventional GOP norms by supporting
strong pro-family policies. But a quick perusal of
his thoughts on women and gender reveal some unusual
opinions that lie outside the American mainstream,
beyond a stray comment about cat ladies.
Vance says Harris �lied about� Biden�s abilities

Vance is staunchly opposed to abortion, and has
suggested that it is wrong even in cases of rape and
incest. He has compared the evil of abortion to that
of slavery, and opposed the Ohio ballot measure
ensuring the right to abortion in 2023. He also was
one of only 28 members of Congress who opposed a new
HIPAA rule that would limit law enforcement�s access
to women�s medical records. He has promoted Viktor
Orban�s pro-natalist policies in Hungary, which offer
paybacks to married couples that scale up along with
the number of children (a new Hungarian Constitution
that banned gay marriage went into effect in 2012, so
these benefits only serve �traditional� couples).
Vance opposes same-sex marriage. During his 2022
Senate campaign, he suggested the sexual revolution
had made divorce too easy (people nowadays �shift
spouses like they change their underwear�), arguing
that people in unhappy marriages, and maybe even
those in violent ones, should stay together for their
children. His campaign said such an insinuation was
�preposterous,� but you can watch the video yourself
and be the judge.

In all of this, Vance fits squarely within (and
identifies with) the faction of the American New
Right that typically refers to itself as
�postliberalism.�

Patrick Deneen, a professor at Notre Dame, captured
the basic outlook on gender and feminism among this
cohort in his 2018 hit Why Liberalism Failed.
Deneen�s argument is that liberal modernity is based
on an irreparably individualistic view of human
nature, which leads to a culture that values autonomy
over community and family life. �Liberalism posits
that freeing women from the household is tantamount
to liberation,� he wrote, �but it effectively puts
women and men alike into a far more encompassing
bondage,� because work outside the home is submission
to the forces of market capitalism. Somewhat
bizarrely, in the postliberal mind, even gay marriage
� people coming together and uniting legally into
family units � becomes a form of social dissolution,
because it is based on individual choice rather than
traditional moral forms.

Vance is an admirer of Deneen�s work and was a
featured speaker at the launch of his most recent
book, Regime Change, at Catholic University in May
2023. Vance spoke highly of Deneen�s book, identified
personally with postliberalism and the New Right, and
declared himself to be �anti-elitist� and �anti-
regime.� He has picked up on the populist language
used by the postliberals, who speak in all-or-nothing
terms like the �ruling class,� �replacing the
elites,� �using Machiavellian means to Aristotelian
ends,� or �searing the liberal faith with hot irons.�

The most important figure in American postliberalism
is Harvard professor Adrian Vermeule, whose 2022 book
Common Good Constitutionalism describes a mode of
constitutional thinking that would make it much
easier for conservatives in the United States to
legislate morality. Under Vermeule�s conception,
judges could rule against a given law � say a law
allowing marriage equality, or abortion in another
state � by appealing to his �Common Good� standard.

Vance is also friendly with the Claremont Institute,
an election-denying �nerve center� for the broader
New Right movement. He gave a speech at their newly
opened �Center for the American Way of Life� in 2021
where, revealingly, he declared that the conservative
movement should be about something simple: �I think
that we should fight for the right of every American
to live a good life in the country they call their
own, to raise a family and dignity on a single
middle-class job.�
JD Vance at RNC: Trump is the working class' 'last,
best hope'

The Claremont cohort is home to, or friendly with,
some of the most extreme anti-feminists and
misogynists in the movement, such as Scott Yenor, a
professor at Boise State and a fellow with
Claremont�s Center for the American Way of Life. He
courted controversy in 2021 for calling career-
oriented women �more medicated, meddlesome and
quarrelsome than women need to be.� Or Jack Murphy, a
stalwart of the Manosphere, who once declared that
�feminists need rape,� and was a fellow with
Claremont in 2021. Many of the leaders at the
Institute, including Yenor and the president, Ryan
Williams, are also part of a newly formed and pro-
patriarchy fraternal organization, the Society for
American Civic Renewal.


As for Vance�s comments about miserable cat ladies,
they sound like the tamer musings of far-right
extremists like Costin Alamariu, whose 2018 book
Bronze Age Mindset popularized the concept of �the
Longhouse,� a disparaging description of a political
culture dominated by women, or Stephen Wolfe, who
similarly rails against a �gynocracy� society where
women have outsize control in his 2023 book The Case
for Christian Nationalism and believes that in the
ideal state women would not have the right to vote.

Vance�s mentor Peter Thiel, who is also well-
connected in the New Right world, has expressed
similar views about women�s suffrage, writing in a
2009 essay, �Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare
beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to
women � two constituencies that are notoriously tough
for libertarians � have rendered the notion of
�capitalist democracy� into an oxymoron.�

National Conservatism is the big tent, umbrella
organization where the New Right comes together.
Vance has been a speaker at all three of the four
National Conservatism conferences that have taken
place in the United States since 2019 � including the
meeting in D.C. earlier this month, where he gave the
final keynote address at a VIP dinner on the closing
day. Whereas the first big NatCon conference seemed
like an upstart, fringe affair, this year, Chris
DeMuth, a former American Enterprise Institute
president who is one of the conference�s key leaders,
opened the conference by declaring: �A revival of
faith, family, and fertility are not far right, they
are the new mainstream!� Vance, for his part, gave a
speech titled �America is a Nation,� which touched
only lightly on questions of gender, merely echoing
DeMuth�s call for a renewal of the American family.
Patrick Deneen was pleased.


Back in 2022, writer James Pogue went to NatCon 2 and
profiled the rising New Right for Vanity Fair. Pogue
detailed an interview that Vance did in September
2021 with Jack Murphy, where Vance said he was
convinced the liberal order was about to collapse,
and was hoping for something dramatic from Trump.
When Pogue asked Vance directly why what he had in
mind for the country was not in fact a fascist
takeover, Vance explained that if what he had in mind
worked, �it will mean that my son grows up in a world
where his masculinity � his support of his family and
his community, his love of his community � is more
important than whether it works for fucking
McKinsey.� Fair enough, but I worry about what this
means for our daughters, especially in MAGA�s
masculinist, zero-sum world.

Trump lost women by 15 points in 2020; if he has any
hope of moving back into the White House he�ll need
to make up at least a bit of that ground. But if he
hoped the vice presidential pick would help with that
he may be sadly mistaken. While Trump�s sexism has
manifested as a crude machismo, Vance, along with his
New Right fellow-travelers, is about to introduce
voters to a more conceptual take on sexism � one
which many women, and indeed many men, might find
even more alarming.





































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