• Labour still in distraction mode

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 02:34:15 2025
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/stuff-politics-live-blog

    So the headlines are about Labour talking up a snap election and how they
    are ready for it.

    Somehow they are missing the concept that they are in the opposition not the sales department. Lets have some opposition Labour, keep the Govenment
    honest and keep them against the ropes. Tell us how Labour would do it
    better.

    Telling us that you are ready for a snap election which may not come it not they way to go.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Apr 22 07:08:43 2025
    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/stuff-politics-live-blog

    So the headlines are about Labour talking up a snap election and how they
    are ready for it.

    Somehow they are missing the concept that they are in the opposition not the >sales department. Lets have some opposition Labour, keep the Govenment
    honest and keep them against the ropes. Tell us how Labour would do it >better.

    Telling us that you are ready for a snap election which may not come it not >they way to go.
    The opposition parties often do this at about this time in the election cycle. It is a pointless and rather silly exercise, and rarely on point.
    Best let them waste their time while the government gets on with the job.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Apr 22 07:11:39 2025
    Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/stuff-politics-live-blog

    So the headlines are about Labour talking up a snap election and how they >>are ready for it.

    Somehow they are missing the concept that they are in the opposition not the >>sales department. Lets have some opposition Labour, keep the Govenment >>honest and keep them against the ropes. Tell us how Labour would do it >>better.

    Telling us that you are ready for a snap election which may not come it not >>they way to go.
    The opposition parties often do this at about this time in the election cycle. >It is a pointless and rather silly exercise, and rarely on point.
    Best let them waste their time while the government gets on with the job. Winston is doing what Winston does.
    The question really is how did we ever reach the ridiculous situation where someone thinks we need to have a definition set in law.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Apr 23 07:57:38 2025
    On 22 Apr 2025 02:34:15 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/stuff-politics-live-blog

    So the headlines are about Labour talking up a snap election and how they
    are ready for it.

    Somehow they are missing the concept that they are in the opposition not the >sales department. Lets have some opposition Labour, keep the Govenment
    honest and keep them against the ropes. Tell us how Labour would do it >better.

    Telling us that you are ready for a snap election which may not come it not >they way to go.

    I read this as a call to the Labour faithful to get ready for an
    election - a rallying cry for new members and to build numbers of
    party volunteers. Mentioning a snap election is simply a ploy to
    imply urgency.

    The reality is that Labour, like all political parties in the middle
    of a Parliamentary term, are in no position to fight an election from
    the point of view of settled and announced policies.

    Having said all that I am a bit concerned that Peters has taken issue
    publicly with Luxon on foreign policy. The fact that he believes he
    can get away with a public spat with the PM is indicative that Peters
    is wanting to steer a path that might lead to his sacking. We are not
    anywhere near that yet but history seems to be at the start of
    repetition.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 15:50:47 2025
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 07:57:38 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On 22 Apr 2025 02:34:15 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/stuff-politics-live-blog

    So the headlines are about Labour talking up a snap election and how they >>are ready for it.

    Somehow they are missing the concept that they are in the opposition not the >>sales department. Lets have some opposition Labour, keep the Govenment >>honest and keep them against the ropes. Tell us how Labour would do it >>better.

    Telling us that you are ready for a snap election which may not come it not >>they way to go.

    I read this as a call to the Labour faithful to get ready for an
    election - a rallying cry for new members and to build numbers of
    party volunteers. Mentioning a snap election is simply a ploy to
    imply urgency.

    The reality is that Labour, like all political parties in the middle
    of a Parliamentary term, are in no position to fight an election from
    the point of view of settled and announced policies.

    Having said all that I am a bit concerned that Peters has taken issue >publicly with Luxon on foreign policy. The fact that he believes he
    can get away with a public spat with the PM is indicative that Peters
    is wanting to steer a path that might lead to his sacking. We are not >anywhere near that yet but history seems to be at the start of
    repetition.

    That spat certainly did appear to be the beginning of the end of
    public suppression of disagreements. I think Winston will give being
    Deputy PM a chance for a while, but Seymour will feel that he can take
    a much more independent stance on issues once he is no longer Deputy,
    and that may eventually cause Peters to choose his time for the next
    election. Luxon will not sack wither of them, but he too may want to
    go for an earlier election if it means he can hide the true cost of
    the blunders Willis and the government generally have already made -
    costs will not be able to be hidden for very long both regarding cost
    of living, uncompetitive wages and salaries, corruption and increasing
    poverty.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Apr 26 03:57:06 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 07:57:38 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On 22 Apr 2025 02:34:15 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/stuff-politics-live-blog

    So the headlines are about Labour talking up a snap election and how they >>>are ready for it.

    Somehow they are missing the concept that they are in the opposition not the >>>sales department. Lets have some opposition Labour, keep the Govenment >>>honest and keep them against the ropes. Tell us how Labour would do it >>>better.

    Telling us that you are ready for a snap election which may not come it not >>>they way to go.

    I read this as a call to the Labour faithful to get ready for an
    election - a rallying cry for new members and to build numbers of
    party volunteers. Mentioning a snap election is simply a ploy to
    imply urgency.

    The reality is that Labour, like all political parties in the middle
    of a Parliamentary term, are in no position to fight an election from
    the point of view of settled and announced policies.

    Having said all that I am a bit concerned that Peters has taken issue >>publicly with Luxon on foreign policy. The fact that he believes he
    can get away with a public spat with the PM is indicative that Peters
    is wanting to steer a path that might lead to his sacking. We are not >>anywhere near that yet but history seems to be at the start of
    repetition.

    That spat certainly did appear to be the beginning of the end of
    public suppression of disagreements. I think Winston will give being
    Deputy PM a chance for a while, but Seymour will feel that he can take
    a much more independent stance on issues once he is no longer Deputy,
    and that may eventually cause Peters to choose his time for the next >election. Luxon will not sack wither of them, but he too may want to
    go for an earlier election if it means he can hide the true cost of
    the blunders Willis and the government generally have already made -
    costs will not be able to be hidden for very long both regarding cost
    of living, uncompetitive wages and salaries, corruption and increasing >poverty.
    That's just wishful thinking.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 27 11:49:43 2025
    On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 15:50:47 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 07:57:38 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On 22 Apr 2025 02:34:15 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360605837/stuff-politics-live-blog

    So the headlines are about Labour talking up a snap election and how they >>>are ready for it.

    Somehow they are missing the concept that they are in the opposition not the >>>sales department. Lets have some opposition Labour, keep the Govenment >>>honest and keep them against the ropes. Tell us how Labour would do it >>>better.

    Telling us that you are ready for a snap election which may not come it not >>>they way to go.

    I read this as a call to the Labour faithful to get ready for an
    election - a rallying cry for new members and to build numbers of
    party volunteers. Mentioning a snap election is simply a ploy to
    imply urgency.

    The reality is that Labour, like all political parties in the middle
    of a Parliamentary term, are in no position to fight an election from
    the point of view of settled and announced policies.

    Having said all that I am a bit concerned that Peters has taken issue >>publicly with Luxon on foreign policy. The fact that he believes he
    can get away with a public spat with the PM is indicative that Peters
    is wanting to steer a path that might lead to his sacking. We are not >>anywhere near that yet but history seems to be at the start of
    repetition.

    That spat certainly did appear to be the beginning of the end of
    public suppression of disagreements. I think Winston will give being
    Deputy PM a chance for a while, but Seymour will feel that he can take
    a much more independent stance on issues once he is no longer Deputy,
    and that may eventually cause Peters to choose his time for the next >election. Luxon will not sack wither of them, but he too may want to
    go for an earlier election if it means he can hide the true cost of
    the blunders Willis and the government generally have already made -
    costs will not be able to be hidden for very long both regarding cost
    of living, uncompetitive wages and salaries, corruption and increasing >poverty.

    There is no-where near enough dissent between Peters and Luxon to
    justify a risk of a snap election. There is no palpable benefit to be
    gained by National, ACT or NZ First from ending the current
    Parliament. Speculation on this is fanciful - only Labour wants an
    early end to this Parliamentary term because of the purgatory of
    opposition.

    I agree that Luxon is weak. National have done the minimum necessary
    to reverse the changes wrought by the two previous Labour Governments.
    They are not seriously addressing the state of the Government
    finances, either in terms of balancing the books or addressing the
    substantial increase of national debt since 2020.

    But much as there are flaws in the approach of the coalition parties,
    they are far and away more preferable than a Labour-Watermelon-Maori
    Party coalition, which is the only alternative. Current Labour
    leadership is almost the same as it was during Ardern's time as PM.
    Labour Maori MPs are dominated by defeated Maori electorate MPs now
    there on the list, so Labour can never be trusted to do anything
    differently to when they were last in Government.


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