https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5b
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5b
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 14:38:53 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5b
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
It certainly appears to be devoid of facts, reliant on dodgy
presentation with no detail of even questions asked, and limited
application to the real world, but usefully deflects blame by
investing new entities (or new names for old entities) so that it is
hard to tell who is culpable for the farce.
To get the results that are purported to come from real research; it
appears that the survey covered all involved with the NZ Initiative,
The CRP, NZ Taxpayers Union, Free Speech Union, staff and members of
the ACT Party and a few hangers on - and even some of those would be >horrified at the unjustified assertions
Curia is mentioned prominently, but it is not clear who asked the
questions, or even what those questions were. It appears that Farrar
may be thinking about retiring but if so he seems to be sabotaging his >company on the way out - at one stage Curia may have had enough
credibility to be sold. It does introduce two more largely anonymous
drone web-sites: Voice Media Global and the Facts, neither of which
give any credibility to the story.
How long will thee new websites last?
Will the ACT party survive to
the next election?
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5b
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of >the Country was in line with the poll.
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >what the Bill was trying to do.
On 12 Apr 2025 02:23:50 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody here was fooled. You are lying.
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of >>the Country was in line with the poll.
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >>investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >>what the Bill was trying to do.
This is clearly a total fiction - it has no visible support from Curia
or Verian; the reference to "Freshwater Strategy" appears to be a
total fiction. "According to Neal" appears to mean nothing. I am
surprised Curia have not objected to a chart that purports to come
from them.
The website appears to be a concept containing crude fictional
elements, possibly including some unattributed items that may be
nothing more than examples of graphic presentation.
It is no surprise that Tony was fooled, but I am surprised at some
other posters to nz.general who appear to have been fooled . . .
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:If you knew it was fake why did you not say so then?
On 12 Apr 2025 02:23:50 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody here was fooled. You are lying.
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of >>>the Country was in line with the poll.
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >>>investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >>>what the Bill was trying to do.
This is clearly a total fiction - it has no visible support from Curia
or Verian; the reference to "Freshwater Strategy" appears to be a
total fiction. "According to Neal" appears to mean nothing. I am
surprised Curia have not objected to a chart that purports to come
from them.
The website appears to be a concept containing crude fictional
elements, possibly including some unattributed items that may be
nothing more than examples of graphic presentation.
It is no surprise that Tony was fooled, but I am surprised at some
other posters to nz.general who appear to have been fooled . . .
On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 07:49:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are lying. It is not fake. Your desperation is incredible and infantile.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:If you knew it was fake why did you not say so then?
On 12 Apr 2025 02:23:50 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody here was fooled. You are lying.
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of >>>>the Country was in line with the poll.
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >>>>investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >>>>what the Bill was trying to do.
This is clearly a total fiction - it has no visible support from Curia
or Verian; the reference to "Freshwater Strategy" appears to be a
total fiction. "According to Neal" appears to mean nothing. I am >>>surprised Curia have not objected to a chart that purports to come
from them.
The website appears to be a concept containing crude fictional
elements, possibly including some unattributed items that may be
nothing more than examples of graphic presentation.
It is no surprise that Tony was fooled, but I am surprised at some
other posters to nz.general who appear to have been fooled . . .
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of >the Country was in line with the poll.
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >what the Bill was trying to do.
On 12 Apr 2025 02:23:50 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:I am not sure about that, but those that were opposed to the Bill
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of >>the Country was in line with the poll.
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
simply said that the Bill was discriminatory against Maori. I read
widely about this but never saw any specific examination of what was
in the Bill and why it discriminated against those of Maori descent.
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >>investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >>what the Bill was trying to do.
Correct.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 07:49:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2025 02:23:50 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
the Country was in line with the poll.
Rubbish - again no references for a wild assertion of what did not
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >>>>>investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >>>>>what the Bill was trying to do.
identical results and neither disclosed sample sizes, questions,Nobody here was fooled. You are lying.
This is clearly a total fiction - it has no visible support from Curia >>>>or Verian; the reference to "Freshwater Strategy" appears to be a >>>>total fiction. "According to Neal" appears to mean nothing. I am >>>>surprised Curia have not objected to a chart that purports to come
from them.
The website appears to be a concept containing crude fictional >>>>elements, possibly including some unattributed items that may be >>>>nothing more than examples of graphic presentation.
It is no surprise that Tony was fooled, but I am surprised at some >>>>other posters to nz.general who appear to have been fooled . . .
If you knew it was fake why did you not say so then?You are lying. It is not fake. Your desperation is incredible and infantile. So you are claiming that Curia and Verian both did surveys that gave
On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 20:17:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you wish to address Grodon then do so, not in a cowardely way that he might not see.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 07:49:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12 Apr 2025 02:23:50 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling >>>>>>of
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
the Country was in line with the poll.
No cites for that assertion - unless it was a blind hope from an ACT
party supporter . . .
As above, but as an aside - you are lying.Rubbish - again no references for a wild assertion of what did not
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >>>>>>investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than
what the Bill was trying to do.
happen.
No, you pillock, are asserting that the whole thing is fake - so prove it - you cannot.
This is clearly a total fiction - it has no visible support from Curia >>>>>or Verian; the reference to "Freshwater Strategy" appears to be a >>>>>total fiction. "According to Neal" appears to mean nothing. I am >>>>>surprised Curia have not objected to a chart that purports to come >>>>>from them.
The website appears to be a concept containing crude fictional >>>>>elements, possibly including some unattributed items that may be >>>>>nothing more than examples of graphic presentation.
It is no surprise that Tony was fooled, but I am surprised at some >>>>>other posters to nz.general who appear to have been fooled . . . >>>>Nobody here was fooled. You are lying.
degree of uncertainty etc? That is just a lie.If you knew it was fake why did you not say so then?You are lying. It is not fake. Your desperation is incredible and infantile. >So you are claiming that Curia and Verian both did surveys that gave >identical results and neither disclosed sample sizes, questions,
On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 10:53:29 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>That is a lie. Prove what you have written.
wrote:
On 12 Apr 2025 02:23:50 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:I am not sure about that, but those that were opposed to the Bill
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of >>>the Country was in line with the poll.
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
simply said that the Bill was discriminatory against Maori. I read
widely about this but never saw any specific examination of what was
in the Bill and why it discriminated against those of Maori descent.
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >>>investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >>>what the Bill was trying to do.
Correct.
The Bill was an attempt to negate a solemn Treaty; mis-representing
the terms of that Treaty, and acting directly contrary to the
principle of sanctity of contract. It relied on a negation of our laws
and the reason for them - there is a reason why Prebble left the
Waitangi Tribunal so quickly after he was appointed, and has said so
little about it since - he was obviously given the truth.
It is now clear to most National Party members that Christopher LuxonOff topic.
did himself and his party no good in agreeing to that aspect of the
coalition agreement, and that he should never have agreed to the long
period of select committee hearings - with his latest mistake in not
getting expert advice before going over the top of his Foreign
Minister in talking to some heads of government about the tariffs, he
has proved himself to many National Party supporters as being unfit
for leader of the party, let alone Prime Minister - their problem is
that they do not have a replacement; but they know that a period in >opposition will give some needed change.
On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 10:53:29 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On 12 Apr 2025 02:23:50 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-04-11, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:I am not sure about that, but those that were opposed to the Bill
https://tinyurl.com/y226fp5bDuring the Treaty Principle Bills life there were hints that the feeling of >>>the Country was in line with the poll.
This very much reflects my views and those of others I know.
simply said that the Bill was discriminatory against Maori. I read
widely about this but never saw any specific examination of what was
in the Bill and why it discriminated against those of Maori descent.
The issue is/was that the MSM fixated on the anti views and never kept >>>investigating. The whole episode got tangled up in race issues rather than >>>what the Bill was trying to do.
Correct.
The Bill was an attempt to negate a solemn Treaty; mis-representing
the terms of that Treaty, and acting directly contrary to the
principle of sanctity of contract.
It relied on a negation of our laws
and the reason for them - there is a reason why Prebble left the
Waitangi Tribunal so quickly after he was appointed, and has said so
little about it since - he was obviously given the truth.
It is now clear to most National Party members that Christopher Luxon
did himself and his party no good in agreeing to that aspect of the
coalition agreement, and that he should never have agreed to the long
period of select committee hearings - with his latest mistake in not
getting expert advice before going over the top of his Foreign
Minister in talking to some heads of government about the tariffs, he
has proved himself to many National Party supporters as being unfit
for leader of the party, let alone Prime Minister - their problem is
that they do not have a replacement; but they know that a period in >opposition will give some needed change.
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