Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise thatJust lies and political rhetoric. That is all you have got. You are a waste of bandwidth.
apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing -
housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking
vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has
done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that
apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing -
housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking
vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has
done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing -
housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking
vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has
done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the
Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this
article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it
indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that
apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing -
housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking
vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has
done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the
Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this
article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o
Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it
indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing -
housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking
vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this
article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o
Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it
indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing -
housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking
vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this
article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o
Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it
indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
On 4/04/25 10:11, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>> apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing -
housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking
vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has
done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the
Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this
article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the
government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for
electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o
Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a
disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more
serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it
indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
Interesting that if you go down to the comparison of poll issues between >Aussie and NZ they all almost the same items. Swap healthcare and
housing around and its nearly a match.
I can advise you that the NZ government is not running Aussie!
Please explain why the same issues affect both countries?
Your rant is exposed!
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this
article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the
government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for
electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o
Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left
folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many people >see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear that
we are all equal under the law.
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a >waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort matters >out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the closing >of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a
disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more
serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 10:11:56 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New
Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot
find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not
keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and
whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now
more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this
article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
Your assertion in the subject is no longer true.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tucur_04_aprpoll2025?utm_campaign=250403_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
Your rhetoric is therefore without foundation.
That said, the Government has a lot of work to do. While government
support teeters, it is starting to move forward now that the Treaty >Principles Bill issues are now coming to an end. I would expect the
Maori Party will not be dancing and shouting in Parliament any more
(assuming they are allowed to remain).
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 13:29:53 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 10:11:56 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax >>>for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school >>>children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and >>>threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>>course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston >>>and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and >>>experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>>disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>>serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would >>>vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
Your assertion in the subject is no longer true.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tucur_04_aprpoll2025?utm_campaign=250403_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
Your rhetoric is therefore without foundation.
That said, the Government has a lot of work to do. While government >>support teeters, it is starting to move forward now that the Treaty >>Principles Bill issues are now coming to an end. I would expect the
Maori Party will not be dancing and shouting in Parliament any more >>(assuming they are allowed to remain).
Let us hope that the Treaty Principles Bill is coming to an end - that
will only happen if it is made clear that it will not be proceeding,
and that there will not be a referendum as threatened by Seymour at
the time of the next election.
The 'alternative' survey paid for by the Taxpayers Union is
interesting in that it appears to be at the extreme limit of
acceptable margin for two polls taken at the same time - at least for
the projected seats by party. It is time we insisted on professional >standards and publication of questions. It is not helpful that Farrar >resigned from the professional association . . .
I do not understand the comment "I would expect the Maori Party will
not be dancing and shouting in Parliament any more (assuming they are
allowed to remain)."
Could you explain?
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for all people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the
government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for
electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o
Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left
folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many people >>see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear that >>we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in
the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty.
Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is
recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party
to various determinations of the United Nations that support such
treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour
appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights
of others - that is not treating all people equally.
A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if you would prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a >>waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort matters >>out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the closing >>of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped
wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this
before the country again by referendum. It is good that all
submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent
record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is
necessary is an indication that the government went too far in
stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in notHorseshit.
submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a
disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more
serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate
rationally.
Let us hope that the Treaty Principles Bill is coming to an end - that
will only happen if it is made clear that it will not be proceeding,
and that there will not be a referendum as threatened by Seymour at
the time of the next election.
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 15:34:11 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>Yes I was - and there have been comments that the ruling parties may
wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 13:29:53 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 10:11:56 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>>government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax >>>>for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>>benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work. >>>>They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>>electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school >>>>children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get >>>>into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>>Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and >>>>threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>>>course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of >>>>money.
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston >>>>and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it >>>>may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major >>>>part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and >>>>experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>>>disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to >>>>stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now >>>>takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>>>serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would >>>>vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few >>>>are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>rationally.
Your assertion in the subject is no longer true.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tucur_04_aprpoll2025?utm_campaign=250403_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
Your rhetoric is therefore without foundation.
That said, the Government has a lot of work to do. While government >>>support teeters, it is starting to move forward now that the Treaty >>>Principles Bill issues are now coming to an end. I would expect the >>>Maori Party will not be dancing and shouting in Parliament any more >>>(assuming they are allowed to remain).
Let us hope that the Treaty Principles Bill is coming to an end - that
will only happen if it is made clear that it will not be proceeding,
and that there will not be a referendum as threatened by Seymour at
the time of the next election.
The 'alternative' survey paid for by the Taxpayers Union is
interesting in that it appears to be at the extreme limit of
acceptable margin for two polls taken at the same time - at least for
the projected seats by party. It is time we insisted on professional >>standards and publication of questions. It is not helpful that Farrar >>resigned from the professional association . . .
I do not understand the comment "I would expect the Maori Party will
not be dancing and shouting in Parliament any more (assuming they are >>allowed to remain)."
Could you explain?
Are you really that thick? Think of the antics the Maori Party got up
to recently and the consequences of that.
If you cannot understand what I was referring to then you really do
need help.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for all >people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the
government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax >>>> for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for
electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o
Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left
folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many people >>>see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear that >>>we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in
the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >>offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty.
Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is
recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >>governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party
to various determinations of the United Nations that support such
treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour
appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights
of others - that is not treating all people equally.
A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if you would >prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a >>>waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort matters >>>out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the closing >>>of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped
wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this
before the country again by referendum. It is good that all
submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent
record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is
necessary is an indication that the government went too far in
stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
Horseshit.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in not >>submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston >>>> and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a
disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more
serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>rationally.
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 06:09:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes it was - see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxm1Lgf94K4
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for all >>people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>wrote:
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords? >>>>>>
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>>> government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax >>>>> for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to
benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work.
They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for
electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get >>>>> into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o
Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>>>> course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left
folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many people >>>>see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear that >>>>we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in
the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >>>offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty. >>>Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is >>>recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >>>governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party
to various determinations of the United Nations that support such >>>treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour
appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights
of others - that is not treating all people equally.
Of course it was not written in that way - do you have any credible >documentation of anyone ever making that strange assertion?
A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if you >>would
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a >>>>waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort matters >>>>out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the closing >>>>of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped
wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this
before the country again by referendum. It is good that all
submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent
record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is >>>necessary is an indication that the government went too far in
stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Horseshit.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in not >>>submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston >>>>> and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it >>>>> may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major
part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>>>> disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to >>>>> stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now
takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>>>> serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would >>>>> vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few >>>>> are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>>rationally.
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 16:34:50 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>All of which completely ignores the real issue, which is the appalling way those idiots treated everyone in this country by disrespecting parliament.
wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 15:34:11 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:Yes I was - and there have been comments that the ruling parties may
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 13:29:53 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 10:11:56 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>wrote:
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords? >>>>>>
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>>>government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax >>>>>for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>>>benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased >>>>>rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work. >>>>>They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>>>electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc >>>>>changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school >>>>>children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get >>>>>into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>>>Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and >>>>>threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>>>>course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of >>>>>money.
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston >>>>>and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it >>>>>may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major >>>>>part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and >>>>>experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>>>>disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to >>>>>stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now >>>>>takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>>>>serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would >>>>>vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few >>>>>are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>>rationally.
Your assertion in the subject is no longer true.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tucur_04_aprpoll2025?utm_campaign=250403_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
Your rhetoric is therefore without foundation.
That said, the Government has a lot of work to do. While government >>>>support teeters, it is starting to move forward now that the Treaty >>>>Principles Bill issues are now coming to an end. I would expect the >>>>Maori Party will not be dancing and shouting in Parliament any more >>>>(assuming they are allowed to remain).
Let us hope that the Treaty Principles Bill is coming to an end - that >>>will only happen if it is made clear that it will not be proceeding,
and that there will not be a referendum as threatened by Seymour at
the time of the next election.
The 'alternative' survey paid for by the Taxpayers Union is
interesting in that it appears to be at the extreme limit of
acceptable margin for two polls taken at the same time - at least for
the projected seats by party. It is time we insisted on professional >>>standards and publication of questions. It is not helpful that Farrar >>>resigned from the professional association . . .
I do not understand the comment "I would expect the Maori Party will
not be dancing and shouting in Parliament any more (assuming they are >>>allowed to remain)."
Could you explain?
Are you really that thick? Think of the antics the Maori Party got up
to recently and the consequences of that.
be able to exclude them from parliament either temporarily or even >permanently; by a mock trial without allowing legal representation.
Now I suspect that may have been a bit over-blown by an eager ACT
supporter, but even so there has already been a penalty imposed by the >Speaker, and it hardly held up parliament for any significant length
of time, and was enjoyed by a large percentage of the population.
Now it is possible that the comment I queried above is just idleThere he is, the real abusive Rich. It can't hide for very long eh?
speculation, but since you felt it needed not explanation you possibly
think it a real possibility that they may not be allowed to remain in >parliament.
If you cannot understand what I was referring to then you really do
need help.
If you cannot explain your own statement, which appears to presume
powers of a Committee of Parliament greater than that of the whole
house, then you are the one that needs help . . .
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 06:09:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes it was - see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxm1Lgf94K4
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for all >>>people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>wrote:
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>>>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords? >>>>>>>
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>>>> government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax >>>>>> for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>>>> benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased
rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work. >>>>>> They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>>>> electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school
children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get >>>>>> into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>>>> Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>>>>> course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of
money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left
folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many people >>>>>see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear that >>>>>we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in >>>>the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >>>>offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty. >>>>Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is >>>>recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >>>>governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party >>>>to various determinations of the United Nations that support such >>>>treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour
appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights
of others - that is not treating all people equally.
Of course it was not written in that way - do you have any credible >>documentation of anyone ever making that strange assertion?
Watch it and debate the content and do try to not to attack the speaker.
Sarcasm removed.A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if you >>>would
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a >>>>>waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort matters >>>>>out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the closing
of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped >>>>wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this
before the country again by referendum. It is good that all
submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent >>>>record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is >>>>necessary is an indication that the government went too far in >>>>stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Horseshit.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in not >>>>submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston >>>>>> and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it >>>>>> may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major >>>>>> part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>>>>> disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to >>>>>> stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now >>>>>> takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>>>>> serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would >>>>>> vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few >>>>>> are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>>>rationally.
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 19:00:30 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say without any proof.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 06:09:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes it was - see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxm1Lgf94K4
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for all >>>>people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>wrote:
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that >>>>>>>>>apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords? >>>>>>>>
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>>>>> government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax >>>>>>> for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>>>>> benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased >>>>>>> rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work. >>>>>>> They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>>>>> electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc
changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school >>>>>>> children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get >>>>>>> into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>>>>> Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and
threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>>>>>> course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of >>>>>>> money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left
folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many people
see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear that
we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in >>>>>the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >>>>>offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty. >>>>>Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is >>>>>recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >>>>>governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party >>>>>to various determinations of the United Nations that support such >>>>>treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour >>>>>appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights >>>>>of others - that is not treating all people equally.
Of course it was not written in that way - do you have any credible >>>documentation of anyone ever making that strange assertion?
Watch it and debate the content and do try to not to attack the speaker.
The speaker is unfortunately wrong
- he has been misled. There areWhat you understand is opinion at best, not proof.
about 7 different drafts in English of the Treaty, the drafts sent to
England and to Sydney differ from each other, and from others that
were produced in the English language either before or after the
Treaty was signed. The most accurate English translation is said to
have been produced overnight at Waitangi as a translation of the Maori >version after it had been signed by the Maori Chiefs present that day
- it was translated from the Maori by a man who spoke both Maori and
English, and given to the Consul for the United States of America to
send to his government; I understand that it is stored in the National >Library in Washington DC.
The reality of different versions has been known for some time, andAgain, no proof.
was studied extensively by academics - Julian Batchelor appears to be >ignorant of that work, or of the determination by our highest court
that it is the version in the Maori language signed by the chiefs at
Waitangi and subsequently by others that is the true agreement between
the Crown and Maori; and that judgement has been the basis for all
subsequent treaty settlements by governments for many years now.
We should be very sorry that Julian Batchelor has been so misledNonsense. No evidence for that has been provided. And you kept to your awful standards by being nasty about the presenter. No surprise.
either by the material he has read himself or been told of by others.
Sadly such mischief is not unique - many will recall the scurrilous >distribution of a paper written by Apirana Ngata that was based on the >understanding of the Treaty by many pakeha that in some cases was
based on whatever interpretation best served the pakeha settlers of
the day, and where land confiscated or wrongly taken in those times
became the subject of more recent settlements following the correction
of understanding of the words of the Treaty and the establishment of
the Waitangi Tribunal to assist in settling long standing issues
arising from previous mis-interpretations of the Treaty.
Sarcasm removed.A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if you >>>>would
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a >>>>>>waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort matters >>>>>>out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the >>>>>>closing
of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped >>>>>wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this >>>>>before the country again by referendum. It is good that all >>>>>submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent >>>>>record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is >>>>>necessary is an indication that the government went too far in >>>>>stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Horseshit.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in not >>>>>submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston >>>>>>> and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it >>>>>>> may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major >>>>>>> part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and
experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>>>>>> disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to >>>>>>> stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now >>>>>>> takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>>>>>> serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would >>>>>>> vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few >>>>>>> are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>>>>rationally.
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 22:33:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyDrunk already?
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 19:00:30 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say without any proof.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:The speaker is unfortunately wrong
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 06:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:Yes it was - see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxm1Lgf94K4
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for >>>>>>all
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>>>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>>>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise >>>>>>>>>>>that
apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>>>>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has
done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords? >>>>>>>>>>
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>>>>>>> government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>>>>>>> benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased >>>>>>>>> rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work. >>>>>>>>> They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>>>>>>> electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc >>>>>>>>> changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school >>>>>>>>> children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get >>>>>>>>> into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>>>>>>> Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and >>>>>>>>> threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>>>>>>>> course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of >>>>>>>>> money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left >>>>>>>>folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many >>>>>>>>people
see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear >>>>>>>>that
we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in >>>>>>>the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >>>>>>>offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty. >>>>>>>Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is >>>>>>>recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >>>>>>>governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party >>>>>>>to various determinations of the United Nations that support such >>>>>>>treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour >>>>>>>appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights >>>>>>>of others - that is not treating all people equally.
people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
Of course it was not written in that way - do you have any credible >>>>>documentation of anyone ever making that strange assertion?
Watch it and debate the content and do try to not to attack the speaker. >>>
That means your opinion is simply that, an opinion.
- he has been misled. There areWhat you understand is opinion at best, not proof.
about 7 different drafts in English of the Treaty, the drafts sent to >>>England and to Sydney differ from each other, and from others that
were produced in the English language either before or after the
Treaty was signed. The most accurate English translation is said to
have been produced overnight at Waitangi as a translation of the Maori >>>version after it had been signed by the Maori Chiefs present that day
- it was translated from the Maori by a man who spoke both Maori and >>>English, and given to the Consul for the United States of America to
send to his government; I understand that it is stored in the National >>>Library in Washington DC.
Again, no proof.
The reality of different versions has been known for some time, and
was studied extensively by academics - Julian Batchelor appears to be >>>ignorant of that work, or of the determination by our highest court
that it is the version in the Maori language signed by the chiefs at >>>Waitangi and subsequently by others that is the true agreement between >>>the Crown and Maori; and that judgement has been the basis for all >>>subsequent treaty settlements by governments for many years now.
Nonsense. No evidence for that has been provided. And you kept to your awful >>standards by being nasty about the presenter. No surprise.
We should be very sorry that Julian Batchelor has been so misled
either by the material he has read himself or been told of by others. >>>Sadly such mischief is not unique - many will recall the scurrilous >>>distribution of a paper written by Apirana Ngata that was based on the >>>understanding of the Treaty by many pakeha that in some cases was
based on whatever interpretation best served the pakeha settlers of
the day, and where land confiscated or wrongly taken in those times >>>became the subject of more recent settlements following the correction
of understanding of the words of the Treaty and the establishment of
the Waitangi Tribunal to assist in settling long standing issues
arising from previous mis-interpretations of the Treaty.
Off topic.
Sarcasm removed.A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if you >>>>>>would
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a
waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort >>>>>>>>matters
out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the >>>>>>>>closing
of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped >>>>>>>wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this >>>>>>>before the country again by referendum. It is good that all >>>>>>>submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent >>>>>>>record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is >>>>>>>necessary is an indication that the government went too far in >>>>>>>stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Horseshit.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in not >>>>>>>submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it >>>>>>>>> may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major >>>>>>>>> part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and >>>>>>>>> experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>>>>>>>> disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to >>>>>>>>> stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients. >>>>>>>>>
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now >>>>>>>>> takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>>>>>>>> serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would >>>>>>>>> vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few >>>>>>>>> are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>>>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>>>>>>rationally.
Meantime, some good is still happening through the Waitangi Tribunal -
this is the sort of settlement that Seymour and Tony want to stop . .
.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 19:00:30 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say without any proof.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 06:09:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes it was - see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxm1Lgf94K4
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for all
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise that
apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia >>>>>>>>>>has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food >>>>>>>>>>and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has >>>>>>>>>>done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords? >>>>>>>>>
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>>>>>> government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax >>>>>>>> for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>>>>>> benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased >>>>>>>> rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work. >>>>>>>> They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>>>>>> electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc >>>>>>>> changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school >>>>>>>> children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get >>>>>>>> into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>>>>>> Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and >>>>>>>> threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of >>>>>>>> course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of >>>>>>>> money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left >>>>>>>folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many people
see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear that
we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in >>>>>>the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >>>>>>offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty. >>>>>>Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is >>>>>>recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >>>>>>governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party >>>>>>to various determinations of the United Nations that support such >>>>>>treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour >>>>>>appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights >>>>>>of others - that is not treating all people equally.
people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
Of course it was not written in that way - do you have any credible >>>>documentation of anyone ever making that strange assertion?
Watch it and debate the content and do try to not to attack the speaker.
The speaker is unfortunately wrong
That means your opinion is simply that, an opinion.
- he has been misled. There areWhat you understand is opinion at best, not proof.
about 7 different drafts in English of the Treaty, the drafts sent to >>England and to Sydney differ from each other, and from others that
were produced in the English language either before or after the
Treaty was signed. The most accurate English translation is said to
have been produced overnight at Waitangi as a translation of the Maori >>version after it had been signed by the Maori Chiefs present that day
- it was translated from the Maori by a man who spoke both Maori and >>English, and given to the Consul for the United States of America to
send to his government; I understand that it is stored in the National >>Library in Washington DC.
Again, no proof.
The reality of different versions has been known for some time, and
was studied extensively by academics - Julian Batchelor appears to be >>ignorant of that work, or of the determination by our highest court
that it is the version in the Maori language signed by the chiefs at >>Waitangi and subsequently by others that is the true agreement between
the Crown and Maori; and that judgement has been the basis for all >>subsequent treaty settlements by governments for many years now.
Nonsense. No evidence for that has been provided. And you kept to your awful >standards by being nasty about the presenter. No surprise.
We should be very sorry that Julian Batchelor has been so misled
either by the material he has read himself or been told of by others.
Sadly such mischief is not unique - many will recall the scurrilous >>distribution of a paper written by Apirana Ngata that was based on the >>understanding of the Treaty by many pakeha that in some cases was
based on whatever interpretation best served the pakeha settlers of
the day, and where land confiscated or wrongly taken in those times
became the subject of more recent settlements following the correction
of understanding of the words of the Treaty and the establishment of
the Waitangi Tribunal to assist in settling long standing issues
arising from previous mis-interpretations of the Treaty.
Off topic.
Sarcasm removed.A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if you >>>>>would
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a >>>>>>>waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort matters
out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the >>>>>>>closing
of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped >>>>>>wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this >>>>>>before the country again by referendum. It is good that all >>>>>>submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent >>>>>>record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is >>>>>>necessary is an indication that the government went too far in >>>>>>stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Horseshit.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in not >>>>>>submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston >>>>>>>> and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it >>>>>>>> may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major >>>>>>>> part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and >>>>>>>> experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a >>>>>>>> disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to >>>>>>>> stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients.
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now >>>>>>>> takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more >>>>>>>> serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems.
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would >>>>>>>> vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few >>>>>>>> are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>>>>>rationally.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 22:33:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyDrunk already?
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 19:00:30 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say without any proof.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:The speaker is unfortunately wrong
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 06:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:Yes it was - see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxm1Lgf94K4 >>>>>Watch it and debate the content and do try to not to attack the speaker. >>>>
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for >>>>>>>all
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>>>>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>>>>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise >>>>>>>>>>>>that
apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>>>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>>>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>>>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>>>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking >>>>>>>>>>>>vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>>>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government has
done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords? >>>>>>>>>>>
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the >>>>>>>>>> government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>>>>>>>> benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased >>>>>>>>>> rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work. >>>>>>>>>> They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>>>>>>>> electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc >>>>>>>>>> changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school >>>>>>>>>> children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get >>>>>>>>>> into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>>>>>>>> Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and >>>>>>>>>> threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of >>>>>>>>>> money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left >>>>>>>>>folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many >>>>>>>>>people
see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear >>>>>>>>>that
we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in >>>>>>>>the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >>>>>>>>offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty. >>>>>>>>Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is >>>>>>>>recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >>>>>>>>governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party >>>>>>>>to various determinations of the United Nations that support such >>>>>>>>treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour >>>>>>>>appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights >>>>>>>>of others - that is not treating all people equally.
people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
Of course it was not written in that way - do you have any credible >>>>>>documentation of anyone ever making that strange assertion?
That means your opinion is simply that, an opinion.
- he has been misled. There areWhat you understand is opinion at best, not proof.
about 7 different drafts in English of the Treaty, the drafts sent to >>>>England and to Sydney differ from each other, and from others that
were produced in the English language either before or after the
Treaty was signed. The most accurate English translation is said to >>>>have been produced overnight at Waitangi as a translation of the Maori >>>>version after it had been signed by the Maori Chiefs present that day
- it was translated from the Maori by a man who spoke both Maori and >>>>English, and given to the Consul for the United States of America to >>>>send to his government; I understand that it is stored in the National >>>>Library in Washington DC.
Again, no proof.
The reality of different versions has been known for some time, and
was studied extensively by academics - Julian Batchelor appears to be >>>>ignorant of that work, or of the determination by our highest court >>>>that it is the version in the Maori language signed by the chiefs at >>>>Waitangi and subsequently by others that is the true agreement between >>>>the Crown and Maori; and that judgement has been the basis for all >>>>subsequent treaty settlements by governments for many years now.
Nonsense. No evidence for that has been provided. And you kept to your awful >>>standards by being nasty about the presenter. No surprise.
We should be very sorry that Julian Batchelor has been so misled
either by the material he has read himself or been told of by others. >>>>Sadly such mischief is not unique - many will recall the scurrilous >>>>distribution of a paper written by Apirana Ngata that was based on the >>>>understanding of the Treaty by many pakeha that in some cases was
based on whatever interpretation best served the pakeha settlers of
the day, and where land confiscated or wrongly taken in those times >>>>became the subject of more recent settlements following the correction >>>>of understanding of the words of the Treaty and the establishment of >>>>the Waitangi Tribunal to assist in settling long standing issues >>>>arising from previous mis-interpretations of the Treaty.
Off topic.
Sarcasm removed.A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if you >>>>>>>would
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum is a
waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort >>>>>>>>>matters
out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the >>>>>>>>>closing
of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process.
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped >>>>>>>>wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this >>>>>>>>before the country again by referendum. It is good that all >>>>>>>>submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent >>>>>>>>record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is >>>>>>>>necessary is an indication that the government went too far in >>>>>>>>stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Horseshit.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in not >>>>>>>>submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major >>>>>>>>>> part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and >>>>>>>>>> experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was a
disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to >>>>>>>>>> stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients. >>>>>>>>>>
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now >>>>>>>>>> takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and more
serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems. >>>>>>>>>>
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>>>>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>>>>>>>rationally.
Meantime, some good is still happening through the Waitangi Tribunal -
this is the sort of settlement that Seymour and Tony want to stop . .
.
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 03:03:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe question mark indicates that my post was interrogative.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 22:33:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyDrunk already?
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 19:00:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:So you say without any proof.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:The speaker is unfortunately wrong
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 06:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:Yes it was - see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxm1Lgf94K4 >>>>>>Watch it and debate the content and do try to not to attack the speaker. >>>>>
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025 02:01:34 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>No that is a lie, he wants the opposite,he wants the same treatment for >>>>>>>>all
On 2025-04-03, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:22:15 +1300, Crash >>>>>>>>>>><[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:37:55 +1300, Rich80105 >>>>>>>>>>>><[email protected]>
wrote:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/ratings-of-government-performance-hit-new-low-ipsos-survey/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJbQ4JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbIxZStqlP_hGnoMFt3NCwW8fVrHu-jm96vz011Kk1kxplnyGMlzMB-IzA_aem_RMca-MEVncUjYnMVB9CAaw
Government hits new low - as more and more New Zealanders realise >>>>>>>>>>>>>that
apart from lining their own pockets they have achieved nothing - >>>>>>>>>>>>>housing, schools, hospitals are all worse off, many more New >>>>>>>>>>>>>Zealanders are struggling to pay for housing (and many more cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>find any place to live), , employment has tanked, wages are not >>>>>>>>>>>>>keeping up with costs, rents are rising faster than inflation and >>>>>>>>>>>>>whole industries are significantly smaller then previously. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Australia
has yet another influx of New Zealanders, more children are smoking
vapes and getting groomed for drugs or tobacco, and poverty is now >>>>>>>>>>>>>more widespread and visible - many are having to choose between >>>>>>>>>>>>>food
and heating . . . Is there any single item that this government >>>>>>>>>>>>>has
done to improve the lives of New Zealanders that are not landlords?
Rich the article you cited is purely on how respondents rated the >>>>>>>>>>>>Government. There is nothing in that article about why, so this >>>>>>>>>>>>article is unrelated to your political rhetoric.
The point of the article was that New Zealanders are seeing that the
government appears to have only achieved one major goal - reducing >>>>>>>>>>>tax
for landlords, and ensuring that, as far as possible, increases to >>>>>>>>>>> benefits and wages fall below inflation; that they have increased >>>>>>>>>>> rates hugely as they force local authorities to fund all that work. >>>>>>>>>>> They have done nothing about NZ having among the highest prices for >>>>>>>>>>> electricity in the world; schools are being disrupted by ad hoc >>>>>>>>>>> changes to curriculums; and deteriorating buildings, while school >>>>>>>>>>> children are being encouraged by an increased number of shops to get
into vaping and drugs.
They are ignoring democracy with Seymour's re-write of te Titiri o >>>>>>>>>>> Waitangi, by not even counting submissi0ns for and against, and >>>>>>>>>>> threatening a costly referendum to keep their race-baiting alive - >>>>>>>>>>>of
course the NZ Taxpayers Union has no criticism of such a waste of >>>>>>>>>>> money.
First off, you have this all in backwards mode, you the left >>>>>>>>>>folks think that Seymour is trying to rewrite the Treaty, when many >>>>>>>>>>people
see it as you, the left are trying to race bait.
The Tereaty Bill is trying to de-racist New Zealand. To make it clear >>>>>>>>>>that
we are all equal under the law.
The law will never stop some New Zealanders from being racist, and in >>>>>>>>>the past the law was abused to allow the taking of property, and other >>>>>>>>>offences against Maori that resulted in breach of the Treaty. >>>>>>>>>Compensation for past wrongs is rightly part of our law, as is >>>>>>>>>recognition of the sanctity of contracts and Treaties to which past >>>>>>>>>governments have committed our Country. New Zealand has been a party >>>>>>>>>to various determinations of the United Nations that support such >>>>>>>>>treaties with indigenous peoples being respected. Sadly Seymour >>>>>>>>>appears to want to ignore the rights of some in favour of the rights >>>>>>>>>of others - that is not treating all people equally.
people, which is just the way that the treaty was written.
Of course it was not written in that way - do you have any credible >>>>>>>documentation of anyone ever making that strange assertion?
That means your opinion is simply that, an opinion.
- he has been misled. There areWhat you understand is opinion at best, not proof.
about 7 different drafts in English of the Treaty, the drafts sent to >>>>>England and to Sydney differ from each other, and from others that >>>>>were produced in the English language either before or after the >>>>>Treaty was signed. The most accurate English translation is said to >>>>>have been produced overnight at Waitangi as a translation of the Maori >>>>>version after it had been signed by the Maori Chiefs present that day >>>>>- it was translated from the Maori by a man who spoke both Maori and >>>>>English, and given to the Consul for the United States of America to >>>>>send to his government; I understand that it is stored in the National >>>>>Library in Washington DC.
Nonsense. No evidence for that has been provided. And you kept to your >>>>awful
The reality of different versions has been known for some time, and >>>>>was studied extensively by academics - Julian Batchelor appears to be >>>>>ignorant of that work, or of the determination by our highest court >>>>>that it is the version in the Maori language signed by the chiefs at >>>>>Waitangi and subsequently by others that is the true agreement between >>>>>the Crown and Maori; and that judgement has been the basis for all >>>>>subsequent treaty settlements by governments for many years now. >>>>Again, no proof.
We should be very sorry that Julian Batchelor has been so misled >>>>>either by the material he has read himself or been told of by others. >>>>>Sadly such mischief is not unique - many will recall the scurrilous >>>>>distribution of a paper written by Apirana Ngata that was based on the >>>>>understanding of the Treaty by many pakeha that in some cases was >>>>>based on whatever interpretation best served the pakeha settlers of >>>>>the day, and where land confiscated or wrongly taken in those times >>>>>became the subject of more recent settlements following the correction >>>>>of understanding of the words of the Treaty and the establishment of >>>>>the Waitangi Tribunal to assist in settling long standing issues >>>>>arising from previous mis-interpretations of the Treaty.
standards by being nasty about the presenter. No surprise.
Off topic.
Sarcasm removed.A referendum on important matters is never a waste of money, even if >>>>>>>>you
Secondly, I for one would never think that the cost of a referendum >>>>>>>>>>is a
waste of money in a democracy. Some times it is essential to sort >>>>>>>>>>matters
out.
What the Government is being assused of is riding ruff sod over the >>>>>>>>>>closing
of the submisions to the Treaty Bill, not doing due process. >>>>>>>>>>
Seems that the fat lady is yet to sing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557166/justice-select-committee-calls-for-treaty-principles-bill-to-be-scrapped
Yes, it unfortunately does not indicate that Seymour has stopped >>>>>>>>>wanting to waste time and a huge amount of money by putting this >>>>>>>>>before the country again by referendum. It is good that all >>>>>>>>>submissions will eventually be included in the official, permanent >>>>>>>>>record of the committee's proceedings on the bill - that this is >>>>>>>>>necessary is an indication that the government went too far in >>>>>>>>>stripping the public sector of adequate staffing.
would
prefer that such matters not be considered by the people.
Horseshit.
Also interesting was the cowardice of National and NZ First in not >>>>>>>>>submitting on the Bill
Luxon is seen as near useless in attempting to be Trump-lite - >>>>>>>>>>>Winston
and Shane Jones do what they like and spray money where they think >>>>>>>>>>>it
may give them votes, but overall the government has stopped a major >>>>>>>>>>> part of the construction industry - firms are still closing and >>>>>>>>>>> experienced workers going overseas. The Commissioner for Health was >>>>>>>>>>>a
disaster, and we now have hospitals and GPs struggling to be able to
stay open. let alone meet time standards for seeing patients. >>>>>>>>>>>
The sackings of public servants has just meant that everything now >>>>>>>>>>> takes longer - and police are under pressure from a renewed (and >>>>>>>>>>>more
serious) spate of ram raids and murders and drug problems. >>>>>>>>>>>
How respondents rate the government is an indicator of how they >>>>>>>>>>>would
vote if given a chance - so far I would only say to you that very >>>>>>>>>>>few
are impressed.
Together with your inability to recognise who starts threads, it >>>>>>>>>>>>indicates that you are not over detail or ability to debate >>>>>>>>>>>>rationally.
Meantime, some good is still happening through the Waitangi Tribunal - >>>this is the sort of settlement that Seymour and Tony want to stop . .
.
Your posts do indicate that you may well be Tony, but good on you for >recognising that you may well have a problem. Your tendency to delete
parts of posts you do not understand may be exacerbated by alcohol - I
do recommend giving up alcohol entirely if indeed you are having those >problems - it is getting more fashionable, and under the current
government you may well be worse off than even only a few years ago -
the money you save may help you further.
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