• Methane emmissions NZ do not register

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 3 08:13:43 2025
    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.



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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Sun Mar 2 21:06:44 2025
    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.

    That is correct. they do not matter.
    Major global emitters are increasing their output.
    The only thing we should do is support our farmers and remove any climate related impediment to their success.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Mar 3 00:28:31 2025
    Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-02, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.

    Also note that nature seems to be putting out large amounts from the >>wetlands.

    It is amazing how when something is repeated often enough it becomes fact >>even though it is not true.
    �If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually >come to believe it." Joseph Goebbels.
    The climate change scam is testament to that.
    Oh I sould have mentioned that Goebbels is supposed to have continued with �And you will even come to believe it yourself!�
    That is arguably even more true when considering the climate emergency nonsense.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Mar 3 00:24:03 2025
    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-02, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.

    Also note that nature seems to be putting out large amounts from the >wetlands.

    It is amazing how when something is repeated often enough it becomes fact >even though it is not true.
    �If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Joseph Goebbels.
    The climate change scam is testament to that.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Mon Mar 3 00:16:53 2025
    On 2025-03-02, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.

    Also note that nature seems to be putting out large amounts from the
    wetlands.

    It is amazing how when something is repeated often enough it becomes fact
    even though it is not true.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 3 15:54:50 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:06:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.

    That is correct. they do not matter.
    Major global emitters are increasing their output.
    The only thing we should do is support our farmers and remove any climate >related impediment to their success.

    What climate related impediments to farming success are you referring
    to, Tony?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 3 03:36:54 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:06:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.

    That is correct. they do not matter.
    Major global emitters are increasing their output.
    The only thing we should do is support our farmers and remove any climate >>related impediment to their success.

    What climate related impediments to farming success are you referring
    to, Tony?
    Read the news, or listen to it, or ask a fwiend. And don't be such a child.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 3 17:14:30 2025
    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 08:13:43 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.



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    No "emissions" matter.

    Bill.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Mar 3 17:16:58 2025
    On 3 Mar 2025 00:16:53 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-03-02, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm

    So our emissions, regardless of source, don't matter.

    Also note that nature seems to be putting out large amounts from the >wetlands.

    It is amazing how when something is repeated often enough it becomes fact >even though it is not true.

    That's how the entire climate fraud is perpetuated. Page one of the
    propaganda instruction manual.

    Bill.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 3 07:02:48 2025
    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 3 22:09:06 2025
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Man, or men?

    Crash started it, but then had support form Gordon, Tony and BR.

    The first url seems to have been from a mail campaign - Klaviyo does
    Ecommerce Marketing. All that means is that Crash probably expressed
    interest in receiving such propaganda from the Right-wing website
    Centrist.nz, which has known links to the ACT political party through
    the NZ Taxpayer Union, and is a successor to NZ News Essentials - see https://nznewsessentials.com/?query-0-page=2 for what that website was
    like.

    Now possibly by coincidence, there has been an article on The
    Standard: https://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-billionaire-linked-to-right-wing-websites-buys-a-near-10-of-nzme-shares/

    which identifies that a wealthy Canadian private equity investor with interests in tax minimisation, now living in New Zealand, has
    purchased 10% of NZME shares, and also includes:

    "In 2023, Business Desk reported Grenon was a paid election promoter
    in New Zealand, linked to the NZ News Essentials website, which was a
    �site dedicated to attacking the then [Labour/Green Party] Government.
    and appeared to host anti-vaccine and Atlas Network affiliated
    articles."
    with a link to: https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/the-curious-case-of-nz-news-essentials-the-buyout-baron-the-rapper-and-the-anti-mandate-influencer

    from which:
    "NZNE and The Centrist�s articles regularly attack policy ideas such
    as tax reforms, equity programmes and rental controls, citing
    commentary from organisations such as the Taxpayers� Union and NZ
    Initiative to support their opinion and analysis pieces.

    Both publications are offered for free with no advertising, suggesting
    their backer has deep pockets and no need for subscription income.

    In an unusual move, The Centrist also offers to pay its readers� legal
    fees �to support freedom of speech� and fight �government overreach�."

    So there you have it - lies about emissions and other lies - both
    Luxon and Seymour are locked into supporting any policies that are in
    the interests of short term profits to the wealthy . . .
    . . . so a question for Crash, Gordon, Tony and BR :

    Which of New Zealand and the USA do you think the Atlas Network
    regards as their biggest current success?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 3 18:41:31 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Man, or men?

    Crash started it, but then had support form Gordon, Tony and BR.

    The first url seems to have been from a mail campaign - Klaviyo does >Ecommerce Marketing. All that means is that Crash probably expressed >interest in receiving such propaganda from the Right-wing website >Centrist.nz, which has known links to the ACT political party through
    the NZ Taxpayer Union, and is a successor to NZ News Essentials - see >https://nznewsessentials.com/?query-0-page=2 for what that website was
    like.

    Now possibly by coincidence, there has been an article on The
    Standard: >https://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-billionaire-linked-to-right-wing-websites-buys-a-near-10-of-nzme-shares/

    which identifies that a wealthy Canadian private equity investor with >interests in tax minimisation, now living in New Zealand, has
    purchased 10% of NZME shares, and also includes:

    "In 2023, Business Desk reported Grenon was a paid election promoter
    in New Zealand, linked to the NZ News Essentials website, which was a
    �site dedicated to attacking the then [Labour/Green Party] Government.
    and appeared to host anti-vaccine and Atlas Network affiliated
    articles."
    with a link to: >https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/the-curious-case-of-nz-news-essentials-the-buyout-baron-the-rapper-and-the-anti-mandate-influencer

    from which:
    "NZNE and The Centrist�s articles regularly attack policy ideas such
    as tax reforms, equity programmes and rental controls, citing
    commentary from organisations such as the Taxpayers� Union and NZ
    Initiative to support their opinion and analysis pieces.

    Both publications are offered for free with no advertising, suggesting
    their backer has deep pockets and no need for subscription income.

    In an unusual move, The Centrist also offers to pay its readers� legal
    fees �to support freedom of speech� and fight �government overreach�."

    So there you have it - lies about emissions and other lies - both
    Luxon and Seymour are locked into supporting any policies that are in
    the interests of short term profits to the wealthy . . .
    . . . so a question for Crash, Gordon, Tony and BR :

    Which of New Zealand and the USA do you think the Atlas Network
    regards as their biggest current success?
    You are a fool, but we know that.
    The Centrist is nothing that you have said it is. The Atlas network is not what you say it is.
    You are steeped in your failed political dogma and you will never be free of it. That's what a poor education and a failed career does to people.

    If you were honest (yeah right!) you would provide some evidence that damaging our farming industry with emisiions targets would actually achieve something, it won't but that is your challenge. Do try an evidence based approach instead of lies and innuendo.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Mon Mar 3 18:43:23 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.
    Ah, Lawrence - who uses personal attacks as his only means of debate. Are you Rich thinly disguised?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 4 10:53:37 2025
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:41:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Man, or men?

    Crash started it, but then had support form Gordon, Tony and BR.

    The first url seems to have been from a mail campaign - Klaviyo does >>Ecommerce Marketing. All that means is that Crash probably expressed >>interest in receiving such propaganda from the Right-wing website >>Centrist.nz, which has known links to the ACT political party through
    the NZ Taxpayer Union, and is a successor to NZ News Essentials - see >>https://nznewsessentials.com/?query-0-page=2 for what that website was >>like.

    Now possibly by coincidence, there has been an article on The
    Standard: >>https://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-billionaire-linked-to-right-wing-websites-buys-a-near-10-of-nzme-shares/

    which identifies that a wealthy Canadian private equity investor with >>interests in tax minimisation, now living in New Zealand, has
    purchased 10% of NZME shares, and also includes:

    "In 2023, Business Desk reported Grenon was a paid election promoter
    in New Zealand, linked to the NZ News Essentials website, which was a
    �site dedicated to attacking the then [Labour/Green Party] Government.
    and appeared to host anti-vaccine and Atlas Network affiliated
    articles."
    with a link to: >>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/the-curious-case-of-nz-news-essentials-the-buyout-baron-the-rapper-and-the-anti-mandate-influencer

    from which:
    "NZNE and The Centrist�s articles regularly attack policy ideas such
    as tax reforms, equity programmes and rental controls, citing
    commentary from organisations such as the Taxpayers� Union and NZ >>Initiative to support their opinion and analysis pieces.

    Both publications are offered for free with no advertising, suggesting >>their backer has deep pockets and no need for subscription income.

    In an unusual move, The Centrist also offers to pay its readers� legal
    fees �to support freedom of speech� and fight �government overreach�."

    So there you have it - lies about emissions and other lies - both
    Luxon and Seymour are locked into supporting any policies that are in
    the interests of short term profits to the wealthy . . .
    . . . so a question for Crash, Gordon, Tony and BR :

    Which of New Zealand and the USA do you think the Atlas Network
    regards as their biggest current success?
    You are a fool, but we know that.
    The Centrist is nothing that you have said it is. The Atlas network is not what
    you say it is.
    So what have I said either is? I have quoted NZ News Essentials, The
    Centrist, The Standard, and Business Desk.

    You are steeped in your failed political dogma and you will never be free of >it. That's what a poor education and a failed career does to people.
    Not everyone is like you, Tony.

    If you were honest (yeah right!) you would provide some evidence that damaging >our farming industry with emisiions targets would actually achieve something, >it won't but that is your challenge. Do try an evidence based approach instead >of lies and innuendo.

    So tell me, Tony, just what "emissions targets" apply to our farming
    industry?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 4 10:56:32 2025
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:43:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.
    Ah, Lawrence - who uses personal attacks as his only means of debate. Are you
    Rich thinly disguised?

    I had wondered who was being referred to, and now you have identified
    that it must be you, Tony. Congratulations for your self-awareness,
    but just which lie do you think was being referring to?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 4 11:15:34 2025
    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 22:09:06 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Man, or men?

    Crash started it, but then had support form Gordon, Tony and BR.

    The first url seems to have been from a mail campaign - Klaviyo does >Ecommerce Marketing. All that means is that Crash probably expressed >interest in receiving such propaganda from the Right-wing website >Centrist.nz, which has known links to the ACT political party through
    the NZ Taxpayer Union, and is a successor to NZ News Essentials - see >https://nznewsessentials.com/?query-0-page=2 for what that website was
    like.

    You have no way of knowing how I came across the Centrist article and
    how you think this is relevant to discussion on the topic says more
    about your irrational rebuttal arguments than it does about what media
    I read.

    Now possibly by coincidence, there has been an article on The
    Standard: >https://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-billionaire-linked-to-right-wing-websites-buys-a-near-10-of-nzme-shares/

    which identifies that a wealthy Canadian private equity investor with >interests in tax minimisation, now living in New Zealand, has
    purchased 10% of NZME shares, and also includes:

    "In 2023, Business Desk reported Grenon was a paid election promoter
    in New Zealand, linked to the NZ News Essentials website, which was a
    �site dedicated to attacking the then [Labour/Green Party] Government.
    and appeared to host anti-vaccine and Atlas Network affiliated
    articles."
    with a link to: >https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/the-curious-case-of-nz-news-essentials-the-buyout-baron-the-rapper-and-the-anti-mandate-influencer

    from which:
    "NZNE and The Centrist�s articles regularly attack policy ideas such
    as tax reforms, equity programmes and rental controls, citing
    commentary from organisations such as the Taxpayers� Union and NZ
    Initiative to support their opinion and analysis pieces.

    Both publications are offered for free with no advertising, suggesting
    their backer has deep pockets and no need for subscription income.

    In an unusual move, The Centrist also offers to pay its readers� legal
    fees �to support freedom of speech� and fight �government overreach�."

    So there you have it - lies about emissions and other lies - both
    Luxon and Seymour are locked into supporting any policies that are in
    the interests of short term profits to the wealthy . . .
    . . . so a question for Crash, Gordon, Tony and BR :

    Which of New Zealand and the USA do you think the Atlas Network
    regards as their biggest current success?

    Again you delve into irrational nonsense that has no relevance at all
    to the original article about NZ Methane emissions You have wandered
    off into your usual irrational political rhetoric.

    For those wishing to adjudge Rich's rant against my original post,
    here is the link:

    https://tinyurl.com/22vv67pm


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 4 00:23:51 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:43:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.
    Ah, Lawrence - who uses personal attacks as his only means of debate. Are >>you
    Rich thinly disguised?

    Nope littl;e boy, You it is.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 4 14:14:50 2025
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 00:23:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:41:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>><[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Man, or men?

    Crash started it, but then had support form Gordon, Tony and BR.

    The first url seems to have been from a mail campaign - Klaviyo does >>>>Ecommerce Marketing. All that means is that Crash probably expressed >>>>interest in receiving such propaganda from the Right-wing website >>>>Centrist.nz, which has known links to the ACT political party through >>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union, and is a successor to NZ News Essentials - see >>>>https://nznewsessentials.com/?query-0-page=2 for what that website was >>>>like.

    Now possibly by coincidence, there has been an article on The
    Standard: >>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-billionaire-linked-to-right-wing-websites-buys-a-near-10-of-nzme-shares/

    which identifies that a wealthy Canadian private equity investor with >>>>interests in tax minimisation, now living in New Zealand, has
    purchased 10% of NZME shares, and also includes:

    "In 2023, Business Desk reported Grenon was a paid election promoter
    in New Zealand, linked to the NZ News Essentials website, which was a >>>>�site dedicated to attacking the then [Labour/Green Party] Government. >>>>and appeared to host anti-vaccine and Atlas Network affiliated >>>>articles."
    with a link to: >>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/the-curious-case-of-nz-news-essentials-the-buyout-baron-the-rapper-and-the-anti-mandate-influencer

    from which:
    "NZNE and The Centrist�s articles regularly attack policy ideas such
    as tax reforms, equity programmes and rental controls, citing >>>>commentary from organisations such as the Taxpayers� Union and NZ >>>>Initiative to support their opinion and analysis pieces.

    Both publications are offered for free with no advertising, suggesting >>>>their backer has deep pockets and no need for subscription income.

    In an unusual move, The Centrist also offers to pay its readers� legal >>>>fees �to support freedom of speech� and fight �government overreach�."

    So there you have it - lies about emissions and other lies - both
    Luxon and Seymour are locked into supporting any policies that are in >>>>the interests of short term profits to the wealthy . . .
    . . . so a question for Crash, Gordon, Tony and BR :

    Which of New Zealand and the USA do you think the Atlas Network
    regards as their biggest current success?
    You are a fool, but we know that.
    The Centrist is nothing that you have said it is. The Atlas network is not >>>what
    you say it is.
    So what have I said either is? I have quoted NZ News Essentials, The >>Centrist, The Standard, and Business Desk.
    Exactly, The Standard, a biased rag.

    You are steeped in your failed political dogma and you will never be free of >>>it. That's what a poor education and a failed career does to people.
    Abuse gone.

    If you were honest (yeah right!) you would provide some evidence that >>>damaging
    our farming industry with emisiions targets would actually achieve something,
    it won't but that is your challenge. Do try an evidence based approach >>>instead
    of lies and innuendo.

    So tell me, Tony, just what "emissions targets" apply to our farming >>industry?
    The same ones that apply to all of us. have you ever heard oof the Paris >agreement? Dpo tell.
    That does not answer the question.
    What "emissions targets" apply to our farming industry?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 4 01:53:34 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 00:23:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:41:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>><[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Man, or men?

    Crash started it, but then had support form Gordon, Tony and BR.

    The first url seems to have been from a mail campaign - Klaviyo does >>>>>Ecommerce Marketing. All that means is that Crash probably expressed >>>>>interest in receiving such propaganda from the Right-wing website >>>>>Centrist.nz, which has known links to the ACT political party through >>>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union, and is a successor to NZ News Essentials - see >>>>>https://nznewsessentials.com/?query-0-page=2 for what that website was >>>>>like.

    Now possibly by coincidence, there has been an article on The >>>>>Standard: >>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-billionaire-linked-to-right-wing-websites-buys-a-near-10-of-nzme-shares/

    which identifies that a wealthy Canadian private equity investor with >>>>>interests in tax minimisation, now living in New Zealand, has >>>>>purchased 10% of NZME shares, and also includes:

    "In 2023, Business Desk reported Grenon was a paid election promoter >>>>>in New Zealand, linked to the NZ News Essentials website, which was a >>>>>�site dedicated to attacking the then [Labour/Green Party] Government. >>>>>and appeared to host anti-vaccine and Atlas Network affiliated >>>>>articles."
    with a link to: >>>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/the-curious-case-of-nz-news-essentials-the-buyout-baron-the-rapper-and-the-anti-mandate-influencer

    from which:
    "NZNE and The Centrist�s articles regularly attack policy ideas such >>>>>as tax reforms, equity programmes and rental controls, citing >>>>>commentary from organisations such as the Taxpayers� Union and NZ >>>>>Initiative to support their opinion and analysis pieces.

    Both publications are offered for free with no advertising, suggesting >>>>>their backer has deep pockets and no need for subscription income.

    In an unusual move, The Centrist also offers to pay its readers� legal >>>>>fees �to support freedom of speech� and fight �government overreach�." >>>>>
    So there you have it - lies about emissions and other lies - both >>>>>Luxon and Seymour are locked into supporting any policies that are in >>>>>the interests of short term profits to the wealthy . . .
    . . . so a question for Crash, Gordon, Tony and BR :

    Which of New Zealand and the USA do you think the Atlas Network >>>>>regards as their biggest current success?
    You are a fool, but we know that.
    The Centrist is nothing that you have said it is. The Atlas network is not >>>>what
    you say it is.
    So what have I said either is? I have quoted NZ News Essentials, The >>>Centrist, The Standard, and Business Desk.
    Exactly, The Standard, a biased rag.

    You are steeped in your failed political dogma and you will never be free >>>>of
    it. That's what a poor education and a failed career does to people. >>Abuse gone.

    If you were honest (yeah right!) you would provide some evidence that >>>>damaging
    our farming industry with emisiions targets would actually achieve >>>>something,
    it won't but that is your challenge. Do try an evidence based approach >>>>instead
    of lies and innuendo.

    So tell me, Tony, just what "emissions targets" apply to our farming >>>industry?
    The same ones that apply to all of us. have you ever heard oof the Paris >>agreement? Dpo tell.
    That does not answer the question.
    What "emissions targets" apply to our farming industry?
    I have explained it already. Just read what I wrote, or can't you read?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 4 15:53:25 2025
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 01:53:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 00:23:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:41:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>><[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Man, or men?

    Crash started it, but then had support form Gordon, Tony and BR.

    The first url seems to have been from a mail campaign - Klaviyo does >>>>>>Ecommerce Marketing. All that means is that Crash probably expressed >>>>>>interest in receiving such propaganda from the Right-wing website >>>>>>Centrist.nz, which has known links to the ACT political party through >>>>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union, and is a successor to NZ News Essentials - see >>>>>>https://nznewsessentials.com/?query-0-page=2 for what that website was >>>>>>like.

    Now possibly by coincidence, there has been an article on The >>>>>>Standard: >>>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-billionaire-linked-to-right-wing-websites-buys-a-near-10-of-nzme-shares/

    which identifies that a wealthy Canadian private equity investor with >>>>>>interests in tax minimisation, now living in New Zealand, has >>>>>>purchased 10% of NZME shares, and also includes:

    "In 2023, Business Desk reported Grenon was a paid election promoter >>>>>>in New Zealand, linked to the NZ News Essentials website, which was a >>>>>>�site dedicated to attacking the then [Labour/Green Party] Government. >>>>>>and appeared to host anti-vaccine and Atlas Network affiliated >>>>>>articles."
    with a link to: >>>>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/the-curious-case-of-nz-news-essentials-the-buyout-baron-the-rapper-and-the-anti-mandate-influencer

    from which:
    "NZNE and The Centrist�s articles regularly attack policy ideas such >>>>>>as tax reforms, equity programmes and rental controls, citing >>>>>>commentary from organisations such as the Taxpayers� Union and NZ >>>>>>Initiative to support their opinion and analysis pieces.

    Both publications are offered for free with no advertising, suggesting >>>>>>their backer has deep pockets and no need for subscription income.

    In an unusual move, The Centrist also offers to pay its readers� legal >>>>>>fees �to support freedom of speech� and fight �government overreach�." >>>>>>
    So there you have it - lies about emissions and other lies - both >>>>>>Luxon and Seymour are locked into supporting any policies that are in >>>>>>the interests of short term profits to the wealthy . . .
    . . . so a question for Crash, Gordon, Tony and BR :

    Which of New Zealand and the USA do you think the Atlas Network >>>>>>regards as their biggest current success?
    You are a fool, but we know that.
    The Centrist is nothing that you have said it is. The Atlas network is not >>>>>what
    you say it is.
    So what have I said either is? I have quoted NZ News Essentials, The >>>>Centrist, The Standard, and Business Desk.
    Exactly, The Standard, a biased rag.

    You are steeped in your failed political dogma and you will never be free >>>>>of
    it. That's what a poor education and a failed career does to people. >>>Abuse gone.

    If you were honest (yeah right!) you would provide some evidence that >>>>>damaging
    our farming industry with emisiions targets would actually achieve >>>>>something,
    it won't but that is your challenge. Do try an evidence based approach >>>>>instead
    of lies and innuendo.

    So tell me, Tony, just what "emissions targets" apply to our farming >>>>industry?
    The same ones that apply to all of us. have you ever heard oof the Paris >>>agreement? Dpo tell.
    That does not answer the question.
    What "emissions targets" apply to our farming industry?
    I have explained it already. Just read what I wrote, or can't you read?
    So you cannot identify even one emissions target that applies to the
    farming industry - you are predictably ignorant, Tony . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 4 03:27:34 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 01:53:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 00:23:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:41:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>>><[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Man, or men?

    Crash started it, but then had support form Gordon, Tony and BR.

    The first url seems to have been from a mail campaign - Klaviyo does >>>>>>>Ecommerce Marketing. All that means is that Crash probably expressed >>>>>>>interest in receiving such propaganda from the Right-wing website >>>>>>>Centrist.nz, which has known links to the ACT political party through >>>>>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union, and is a successor to NZ News Essentials - see >>>>>>>https://nznewsessentials.com/?query-0-page=2 for what that website was >>>>>>>like.

    Now possibly by coincidence, there has been an article on The >>>>>>>Standard: >>>>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-billionaire-linked-to-right-wing-websites-buys-a-near-10-of-nzme-shares/

    which identifies that a wealthy Canadian private equity investor with >>>>>>>interests in tax minimisation, now living in New Zealand, has >>>>>>>purchased 10% of NZME shares, and also includes:

    "In 2023, Business Desk reported Grenon was a paid election promoter >>>>>>>in New Zealand, linked to the NZ News Essentials website, which was a >>>>>>>�site dedicated to attacking the then [Labour/Green Party] Government. >>>>>>>and appeared to host anti-vaccine and Atlas Network affiliated >>>>>>>articles."
    with a link to: >>>>>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/the-curious-case-of-nz-news-essentials-the-buyout-baron-the-rapper-and-the-anti-mandate-influencer

    from which:
    "NZNE and The Centrist�s articles regularly attack policy ideas such >>>>>>>as tax reforms, equity programmes and rental controls, citing >>>>>>>commentary from organisations such as the Taxpayers� Union and NZ >>>>>>>Initiative to support their opinion and analysis pieces.

    Both publications are offered for free with no advertising, suggesting >>>>>>>their backer has deep pockets and no need for subscription income. >>>>>>>
    In an unusual move, The Centrist also offers to pay its readers� legal >>>>>>>fees �to support freedom of speech� and fight �government overreach�." >>>>>>>
    So there you have it - lies about emissions and other lies - both >>>>>>>Luxon and Seymour are locked into supporting any policies that are in >>>>>>>the interests of short term profits to the wealthy . . .
    . . . so a question for Crash, Gordon, Tony and BR :

    Which of New Zealand and the USA do you think the Atlas Network >>>>>>>regards as their biggest current success?
    You are a fool, but we know that.
    The Centrist is nothing that you have said it is. The Atlas network is >>>>>>not
    what
    you say it is.
    So what have I said either is? I have quoted NZ News Essentials, The >>>>>Centrist, The Standard, and Business Desk.
    Exactly, The Standard, a biased rag.

    You are steeped in your failed political dogma and you will never be free >>>>>>of
    it. That's what a poor education and a failed career does to people. >>>>Abuse gone.

    If you were honest (yeah right!) you would provide some evidence that >>>>>>damaging
    our farming industry with emisiions targets would actually achieve >>>>>>something,
    it won't but that is your challenge. Do try an evidence based approach >>>>>>instead
    of lies and innuendo.

    So tell me, Tony, just what "emissions targets" apply to our farming >>>>>industry?
    The same ones that apply to all of us. have you ever heard oof the Paris >>>>agreement? Dpo tell.
    That does not answer the question.
    What "emissions targets" apply to our farming industry?
    I have explained it already. Just read what I wrote, or can't you read?
    So you cannot identify even one emissions target that applies to the
    farming industry - you are predictably ignorant, Tony . . .
    Already done. Look up the Paris agreement and then come back here with an explanation for your stupidity.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 4 17:18:46 2025
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:14:30 +1300, BR wrote:

    ...

    Ah, our self-confessed lying media man is at it again.

    Can you translate that for me?

    Bill.

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