• School lunches failing

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 25 02:07:03 2025
    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears

    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been
    sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you
    do not need it.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Feb 25 17:40:23 2025
    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears

    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would >have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you >do not need it.

    and see also https://thestandard.org.nz/seymour-is-wrecking-the-school-lunch-program/

    If Seymour thinks about it objectively, and decides that his
    performance is so bad that he needs to resign as Associate Education
    Minister, will Luxon congratulate him on a justified but difficult
    decision?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 27 03:37:19 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears

    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >>Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would >>have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you >>do not need it.

    and see also >https://thestandard.org.nz/seymour-is-wrecking-the-school-lunch-program/

    If Seymour thinks about it objectively, and decides that his
    performance is so bad that he needs to resign as Associate Education >Minister, will Luxon congratulate him on a justified but difficult
    decision?
    The issue seems to be two-fold.
    The main one is poor performance by the contractor, the minor one is some principals taking the opportunity to make political statements, and people like you that do not understand what is really happening but love to spout your rhetoric.
    The government cannot fix this at a stroke, it will take time but they need to hold the contractor to account. I bet those talks are happening. That is all.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 27 20:17:46 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 03:37:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears

    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >>>Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would >>>have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you >>>do not need it.

    and see also >>https://thestandard.org.nz/seymour-is-wrecking-the-school-lunch-program/

    If Seymour thinks about it objectively, and decides that his
    performance is so bad that he needs to resign as Associate Education >>Minister, will Luxon congratulate him on a justified but difficult >>decision?
    The issue seems to be two-fold.
    The main one is poor performance by the contractor, the minor one is some >principals taking the opportunity to make political statements, and people like
    you that do not understand what is really happening but love to spout your >rhetoric.
    The government cannot fix this at a stroke, it will take time but they need to >hold the contractor to account. I bet those talks are happening. That is all.

    An Associate Minister that clearly has little experience with project management, who decided that throwing out something that was working
    right around the country was best done all at once, with no trial of a
    new system while existing arrangements continue elsewhere for a short
    time. The arrangements cover the poorest schools in the country, where
    the parents of the children involved have seen their ability to look
    after their children diminish as a result of the ACT1stNat policies -
    miss a day and they miss a meal. Then he has been tone deaf of
    dietary requirements - many children have allergies or medical reasons
    and need special meals - and clearly Seymour did not understand the
    strictness of religious observance for some that need to be absolutely
    certain that their meals have been prepared in accordance with
    religious requirements. I am sure it has been a quick learning process
    for Seymour, and to give him credit he is not trying to hide the
    reality that there is virtually nothing that he can point to as having
    been a success - although he pretends that he is getting calls that
    are making positive noises - naturally for privacy reasons he cannot
    identify any of those people . . .

    For another view, see here: https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears
    and here: https://werewolf.co.nz/2025/02/gordon-campbell-on-school-lunches-and-the-coalition-government-eating-the-young/

    What is also of interest is that the Prime Minister, who is
    laser-focused on meeting targets (albeit they are seldom specified)
    appears to be adopting a <let him sink> policy regarding this project
    of Seymour's - he knows that Seymour cannot be sacked, so he is giving
    Seymour room to learn . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 27 08:02:02 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 03:37:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears

    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >>>>Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would
    have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you
    do not need it.

    and see also >>>https://thestandard.org.nz/seymour-is-wrecking-the-school-lunch-program/

    If Seymour thinks about it objectively, and decides that his
    performance is so bad that he needs to resign as Associate Education >>>Minister, will Luxon congratulate him on a justified but difficult >>>decision?
    The issue seems to be two-fold.
    The main one is poor performance by the contractor, the minor one is some >>principals taking the opportunity to make political statements, and people >>like
    you that do not understand what is really happening but love to spout your >>rhetoric.
    The government cannot fix this at a stroke, it will take time but they need >>to
    hold the contractor to account. I bet those talks are happening. That is all.

    An Associate Minister that clearly has little experience with project >management, who decided that throwing out something that was working
    right around the country was best done all at once, with no trial of a
    new system while existing arrangements continue elsewhere for a short
    time. The arrangements cover the poorest schools in the country, where
    the parents of the children involved have seen their ability to look
    after their children diminish as a result of the ACT1stNat policies -
    miss a day and they miss a meal. Then he has been tone deaf of
    dietary requirements - many children have allergies or medical reasons
    and need special meals - and clearly Seymour did not understand the >strictness of religious observance for some that need to be absolutely >certain that their meals have been prepared in accordance with
    religious requirements. I am sure it has been a quick learning process
    for Seymour, and to give him credit he is not trying to hide the
    reality that there is virtually nothing that he can point to as having
    been a success - although he pretends that he is getting calls that
    are making positive noises - naturally for privacy reasons he cannot
    identify any of those people . . .No. That is wrong and you know it.

    For another view, see here: >https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears
    and here: >https://werewolf.co.nz/2025/02/gordon-campbell-on-school-lunches-and-the-coalition-government-eating-the-young/
    Both political opinions and therefore as biased as you are. And equally wrong.

    What is also of interest is that the Prime Minister, who is
    laser-focused on meeting targets (albeit they are seldom specified)
    appears to be adopting a <let him sink> policy regarding this project
    of Seymour's - he knows that Seymour cannot be sacked, so he is giving >Seymour room to learn . . .
    So you say but again you are wrong. You wouldn't have a clue what is happening, you never have had.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 27 21:49:29 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 08:02:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 03:37:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears

    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine.
    Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail. >>>>>Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would
    have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you
    do not need it.

    and see also >>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/seymour-is-wrecking-the-school-lunch-program/ >>>>
    If Seymour thinks about it objectively, and decides that his >>>>performance is so bad that he needs to resign as Associate Education >>>>Minister, will Luxon congratulate him on a justified but difficult >>>>decision?
    The issue seems to be two-fold.
    The main one is poor performance by the contractor, the minor one is some >>>principals taking the opportunity to make political statements, and people >>>like
    you that do not understand what is really happening but love to spout your >>>rhetoric.
    The government cannot fix this at a stroke, it will take time but they need >>>to
    hold the contractor to account. I bet those talks are happening. That is all.

    An Associate Minister that clearly has little experience with project >>management, who decided that throwing out something that was working
    right around the country was best done all at once, with no trial of a
    new system while existing arrangements continue elsewhere for a short
    time. The arrangements cover the poorest schools in the country, where
    the parents of the children involved have seen their ability to look
    after their children diminish as a result of the ACT1stNat policies -
    miss a day and they miss a meal. Then he has been tone deaf of
    dietary requirements - many children have allergies or medical reasons
    and need special meals - and clearly Seymour did not understand the >>strictness of religious observance for some that need to be absolutely >>certain that their meals have been prepared in accordance with
    religious requirements. I am sure it has been a quick learning process
    for Seymour, and to give him credit he is not trying to hide the
    reality that there is virtually nothing that he can point to as having
    been a success - although he pretends that he is getting calls that
    are making positive noises - naturally for privacy reasons he cannot >>identify any of those people . . .No. That is wrong and you know it.

    For another view, see here: >>https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears
    and here: >>https://werewolf.co.nz/2025/02/gordon-campbell-on-school-lunches-and-the-coalition-government-eating-the-young/
    Both political opinions and therefore as biased as you are. And equally wrong.

    Really? How are they wrong, Tony?

    What is also of interest is that the Prime Minister, who is
    laser-focused on meeting targets (albeit they are seldom specified)
    appears to be adopting a <let him sink> policy regarding this project
    of Seymour's - he knows that Seymour cannot be sacked, so he is giving >>Seymour room to learn . . .
    So you say but again you are wrong. You wouldn't have a clue what is happening,
    you never have had.
    So what is going on that is not covered in your post and the three
    url's I posted?
    Here are a few more: https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360590296/joy-and-nourishment-gone-hidden-impact-new-school-lunch-programme
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/top/543110/schools-slash-lunch-orders-as-meals-go-uneaten
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/543077/mpi-investigating-complaint-over-school-lunch-programme
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nutritionist-finds-list-of-issues-after-visiting-auckland-schools-delivering-lunch-programme/DMWTDYYM4ZD6ROHQ46KKZXSQ7Y/
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/education/school-lunch-woes-principals-want-to-revert-to-old-system-after-month-long-teething-issues/ALAKE4JTBVF6NBTYSC5JMJENOE/
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/school-lunches-students-given-vegan-meals-containing-beef-mince/RGP3GDPFSNBFDMTFVKTWI7DQCY/
    https://www.healthcoalition.org.nz/government-school-lunch-provider-need-to-act-urgently-to-fix-programme-failures/
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/543155/david-seymour-responds-to-school-lunch-programme-controversy
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360595750/principals-federation-says-time-has-now-come-revert-previous-school-lunches-arrangement
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542797/what-the-ministry-of-education-is-being-told-about-school-lunches
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542843/nutritionist-finds-list-of-issues-after-visiting-auckland-schools-delivering-lunch-programme
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parents-upset-over-unidentifiable-school-lunches-after-scheme-shakeup/V7EE77KRYNCFJFYW5GCRKC7TIM/

    Do these articles give you a clue, Tony?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 27 19:22:35 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 08:02:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 03:37:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears >>>>>>
    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>>>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just >>>>>>fine.
    Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail. >>>>>>Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I >>>>>>would
    have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>>>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if >>>>>>you
    do not need it.

    and see also >>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/seymour-is-wrecking-the-school-lunch-program/ >>>>>
    If Seymour thinks about it objectively, and decides that his >>>>>performance is so bad that he needs to resign as Associate Education >>>>>Minister, will Luxon congratulate him on a justified but difficult >>>>>decision?
    The issue seems to be two-fold.
    The main one is poor performance by the contractor, the minor one is some >>>>principals taking the opportunity to make political statements, and people >>>>like
    you that do not understand what is really happening but love to spout your >>>>rhetoric.
    The government cannot fix this at a stroke, it will take time but they need >>>>to
    hold the contractor to account. I bet those talks are happening. That is >>>>all.

    An Associate Minister that clearly has little experience with project >>>management, who decided that throwing out something that was working >>>right around the country was best done all at once, with no trial of a >>>new system while existing arrangements continue elsewhere for a short >>>time. The arrangements cover the poorest schools in the country, where >>>the parents of the children involved have seen their ability to look >>>after their children diminish as a result of the ACT1stNat policies - >>>miss a day and they miss a meal. Then he has been tone deaf of
    dietary requirements - many children have allergies or medical reasons >>>and need special meals - and clearly Seymour did not understand the >>>strictness of religious observance for some that need to be absolutely >>>certain that their meals have been prepared in accordance with
    religious requirements. I am sure it has been a quick learning process >>>for Seymour, and to give him credit he is not trying to hide the
    reality that there is virtually nothing that he can point to as having >>>been a success - although he pretends that he is getting calls that
    are making positive noises - naturally for privacy reasons he cannot >>>identify any of those people . . .No. That is wrong and you know it.

    For another view, see here: >>>https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears
    and here: >>>https://werewolf.co.nz/2025/02/gordon-campbell-on-school-lunches-and-the-coalition-government-eating-the-young/
    Both political opinions and therefore as biased as you are. And equally wrong.

    Really? How are they wrong, Tony?
    You show how they are correct.

    What is also of interest is that the Prime Minister, who is
    laser-focused on meeting targets (albeit they are seldom specified) >>>appears to be adopting a <let him sink> policy regarding this project
    of Seymour's - he knows that Seymour cannot be sacked, so he is giving >>>Seymour room to learn . . .
    So you say but again you are wrong. You wouldn't have a clue what is >>happening,
    you never have had.
    So what is going on that is not covered in your post and the three
    url's I posted?
    Here are a few more: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360590296/joy-and-nourishment-gone-hidden-impact-new-school-lunch-programme
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/top/543110/schools-slash-lunch-orders-as-meals-go-uneaten
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/543077/mpi-investigating-complaint-over-school-lunch-programme
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nutritionist-finds-list-of-issues-after-visiting-auckland-schools-delivering-lunch-programme/DMWTDYYM4ZD6ROHQ46KKZXSQ7Y/
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/education/school-lunch-woes-principals-want-to-revert-to-old-system-after-month-long-teething-issues/ALAKE4JTBVF6NBTYSC5JMJENOE/
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/school-lunches-students-given-vegan-meals-containing-beef-mince/RGP3GDPFSNBFDMTFVKTWI7DQCY/
    https://www.healthcoalition.org.nz/government-school-lunch-provider-need-to-act-urgently-to-fix-programme-failures/
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/543155/david-seymour-responds-to-school-lunch-programme-controversy
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360595750/principals-federation-says-time-has-now-come-revert-previous-school-lunches-arrangement
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542797/what-the-ministry-of-education-is-being-told-about-school-lunches
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/542843/nutritionist-finds-list-of-issues-after-visiting-auckland-schools-delivering-lunch-programme
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parents-upset-over-unidentifiable-school-lunches-after-scheme-shakeup/V7EE77KRYNCFJFYW5GCRKC7TIM/

    Do these articles give you a clue, Tony?
    Nothing to do with what I wrote, just more of your rhetoric.
    More sarcasm from Rich the sarcastic fool.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Feb 28 09:11:11 2025
    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears


    Any article with a headline like that is intent on scoring a political
    hit on Seymour - school lunches is just the vehicle, the subject of
    the article is a contention that Seymour is incompetent.

    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would >have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you >do not need it.

    Ignoring the article and focusing on the subject of the Government's
    school lunch program, this needs to be reviewed as per contractual
    commitments of the provider (I recall reading that a review is due at
    the end of term 1) and actions taken.

    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children
    in other ways.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 28 09:24:26 2025
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:11:11 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears


    Any article with a headline like that is intent on scoring a political
    hit on Seymour - school lunches is just the vehicle, the subject of
    the article is a contention that Seymour is incompetent.

    It does seem to be a common perception - targets being missed all over
    the place - will the Prime Minister get involved?


    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >>Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would >>have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you >>do not need it.

    Ignoring the article and focusing on the subject of the Government's
    school lunch program, this needs to be reviewed as per contractual >commitments of the provider (I recall reading that a review is due at
    the end of term 1) and actions taken.
    The focus of the article (and of many others in various news media) is
    the Governments school lunch programme. I have not previously known
    that corrective action was not possible for non-compliance with
    contract provisions until the end of term 1 - that does appear
    unusual.

    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children
    in other ways.
    Is that what you would recommend, Crash?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 27 21:39:08 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:11:11 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears


    Any article with a headline like that is intent on scoring a political
    hit on Seymour - school lunches is just the vehicle, the subject of
    the article is a contention that Seymour is incompetent.

    It does seem to be a common perception - targets being missed all over
    the place - will the Prime Minister get involved?
    Supposition and political rhetoric.


    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >>>Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would >>>have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you >>>do not need it.

    Ignoring the article and focusing on the subject of the Government's
    school lunch program, this needs to be reviewed as per contractual >>commitments of the provider (I recall reading that a review is due at
    the end of term 1) and actions taken.
    The focus of the article (and of many others in various news media) is
    the Governments school lunch programme. I have not previously known
    that corrective action was not possible for non-compliance with
    contract provisions until the end of term 1 - that does appear
    unusual.
    I doubt it is true, sounds like a Rich guess.
    As stated previously I expect there are talks going on with the contractor and obviously they will not be public until there is an agreed direction.
    Meanwhile you and your ilk will use it as political leverage.

    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children
    in other ways.
    Is that what you would recommend, Crash?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 28 10:53:57 2025
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:24:26 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:11:11 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears


    Any article with a headline like that is intent on scoring a political
    hit on Seymour - school lunches is just the vehicle, the subject of
    the article is a contention that Seymour is incompetent.

    It does seem to be a common perception - targets being missed all over
    the place - will the Prime Minister get involved?

    Gordon posted, citing an article that is clearly a hit job on Seymour
    with the School Lunches program used as ammo. I don't know who is to
    blame and don't particularly care.



    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >>>Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would >>>have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you >>>do not need it.

    Ignoring the article and focusing on the subject of the Government's
    school lunch program, this needs to be reviewed as per contractual >>commitments of the provider (I recall reading that a review is due at
    the end of term 1) and actions taken.
    The focus of the article (and of many others in various news media) is
    the Governments school lunch programme.

    The focus was on Seymour, using the school lunches program.

    I have not previously known
    that corrective action was not possible for non-compliance with
    contract provisions until the end of term 1 - that does appear
    unusual.

    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children
    in other ways.
    Is that what you would recommend, Crash?

    Not my department. I am just identifying alternatives.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 28 12:55:26 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 21:39:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:11:11 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>wrote:

    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears


    Any article with a headline like that is intent on scoring a political >>>hit on Seymour - school lunches is just the vehicle, the subject of
    the article is a contention that Seymour is incompetent.

    It does seem to be a common perception - targets being missed all over
    the place - will the Prime Minister get involved?
    Supposition and political rhetoric.


    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine. >>>>Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail.
    Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I would
    have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if you
    do not need it.

    Ignoring the article and focusing on the subject of the Government's >>>school lunch program, this needs to be reviewed as per contractual >>>commitments of the provider (I recall reading that a review is due at
    the end of term 1) and actions taken.
    The focus of the article (and of many others in various news media) is
    the Governments school lunch programme. I have not previously known
    that corrective action was not possible for non-compliance with
    contract provisions until the end of term 1 - that does appear
    unusual.
    I doubt it is true, sounds like a Rich guess.
    I was commenting on a post from Crash that outlined an aspect of
    contractual arrangements that I had not been aware of.

    As stated previously I expect there are talks going on with the contractor and >obviously they will not be public until there is an agreed direction. >Meanwhile you and your ilk will use it as political leverage.
    Most people just want the children in these low decile schools to get
    lunches , and see an end to the waste.

    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children
    in other ways.
    Is that what you would recommend, Crash?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 28 03:17:56 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 21:39:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:11:11 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>wrote:

    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears


    Any article with a headline like that is intent on scoring a political >>>>hit on Seymour - school lunches is just the vehicle, the subject of
    the article is a contention that Seymour is incompetent.

    It does seem to be a common perception - targets being missed all over >>>the place - will the Prime Minister get involved?
    Supposition and political rhetoric.


    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine.
    Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail. >>>>>Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I >>>>>would
    have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if >>>>>you
    do not need it.

    Ignoring the article and focusing on the subject of the Government's >>>>school lunch program, this needs to be reviewed as per contractual >>>>commitments of the provider (I recall reading that a review is due at >>>>the end of term 1) and actions taken.
    The focus of the article (and of many others in various news media) is >>>the Governments school lunch programme. I have not previously known
    that corrective action was not possible for non-compliance with
    contract provisions until the end of term 1 - that does appear
    unusual.
    I doubt it is true, sounds like a Rich guess.
    I was commenting on a post from Crash that outlined an aspect of
    contractual arrangements that I had not been aware of.
    So, you point is?

    As stated previously I expect there are talks going on with the contractor >>and
    obviously they will not be public until there is an agreed direction. >>Meanwhile you and your ilk will use it as political leverage.
    Most people just want the children in these low decile schools to get
    lunches , and see an end to the waste.
    Indeed most do, you however just want to make political capital out of that misery. Shame on you.

    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children
    in other ways.
    Is that what you would recommend, Crash?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 28 17:39:00 2025
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 03:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 21:39:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:11:11 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>wrote:

    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears >>>>>>

    Any article with a headline like that is intent on scoring a political >>>>>hit on Seymour - school lunches is just the vehicle, the subject of >>>>>the article is a contention that Seymour is incompetent.

    It does seem to be a common perception - targets being missed all over >>>>the place - will the Prime Minister get involved?
    Supposition and political rhetoric.


    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved >>>>>>school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just fine.
    Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail. >>>>>>Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I >>>>>>would
    have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been >>>>>>sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if >>>>>>you
    do not need it.

    Ignoring the article and focusing on the subject of the Government's >>>>>school lunch program, this needs to be reviewed as per contractual >>>>>commitments of the provider (I recall reading that a review is due at >>>>>the end of term 1) and actions taken.
    The focus of the article (and of many others in various news media) is >>>>the Governments school lunch programme. I have not previously known >>>>that corrective action was not possible for non-compliance with >>>>contract provisions until the end of term 1 - that does appear
    unusual.
    I doubt it is true, sounds like a Rich guess.
    I was commenting on a post from Crash that outlined an aspect of >>contractual arrangements that I had not been aware of.
    So, you point is?
    That I was taking the comment from Crash as likely to be true - a
    formal review at the end of Term 1 is likely, but most people having
    let out a contract would endeavor to get the contractor working
    largely to specifications right from the start.


    As stated previously I expect there are talks going on with the contractor >>>and
    obviously they will not be public until there is an agreed direction. >>>Meanwhile you and your ilk will use it as political leverage.
    Most people just want the children in these low decile schools to get >>lunches , and see an end to the waste.
    Indeed most do, you however just want to make political capital out of that >misery. Shame on you.
    I abhor the misery - you appear to accept that it is acceptable from
    the current government. See the difference?


    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children >>>>>in other ways.
    Is that what you would recommend, Crash?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 28 06:17:12 2025
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 03:17:56 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 21:39:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:11:11 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>wrote:

    On 25 Feb 2025 02:07:03 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/new-school-lunches-waste-appears >>>>>>>

    Any article with a headline like that is intent on scoring a political >>>>>>hit on Seymour - school lunches is just the vehicle, the subject of >>>>>>the article is a contention that Seymour is incompetent.

    It does seem to be a common perception - targets being missed all over >>>>>the place - will the Prime Minister get involved?
    Supposition and political rhetoric.


    Over the last month there has been many reports that the new and improved
    school lunch programme are not working.

    Government not collecting the feedback while spouting that it is just >>>>>>>fine.
    Have to say that this is a bit woke.

    Leaving aside the political aspect of it, we are left with a fail. >>>>>>>Fair enough to allow for some teething issues at start up but by now I >>>>>>>would
    have expected some improvement by now. Looks like the Government has been
    sold a pup.

    As the saying goes, No matter what the price is the price is too high if >>>>>>>you
    do not need it.

    Ignoring the article and focusing on the subject of the Government's >>>>>>school lunch program, this needs to be reviewed as per contractual >>>>>>commitments of the provider (I recall reading that a review is due at >>>>>>the end of term 1) and actions taken.
    The focus of the article (and of many others in various news media) is >>>>>the Governments school lunch programme. I have not previously known >>>>>that corrective action was not possible for non-compliance with >>>>>contract provisions until the end of term 1 - that does appear >>>>>unusual.
    I doubt it is true, sounds like a Rich guess.
    I was commenting on a post from Crash that outlined an aspect of >>>contractual arrangements that I had not been aware of.
    So, you point is?
    That I was taking the comment from Crash as likely to be true - a
    formal review at the end of Term 1 is likely, but most people having
    let out a contract would endeavor to get the contractor working
    largely to specifications right from the start.
    So irrelevant then?


    As stated previously I expect there are talks going on with the contractor >>>>and
    obviously they will not be public until there is an agreed direction. >>>>Meanwhile you and your ilk will use it as political leverage.
    Most people just want the children in these low decile schools to get >>>lunches , and see an end to the waste.
    Indeed most do, you however just want to make political capital out of that >>misery. Shame on you.
    I abhor the misery - you appear to accept that it is acceptable from
    the current government. See the difference?
    Bullshit, you love the misery, you find it delicious.
    You are also abusive and a serial defamer.


    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children >>>>>>in other ways.
    Is that what you would recommend, Crash?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 27 23:58:26 2025
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 09:24:26 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    One option is to cancel it and tackle the problem of hungry children in >>other ways.

    Is that what you would recommend, Crash?

    Surely any clever right-winger could think up a better way of curing
    hunger than food ...

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