https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/540018/watch-live-select-committee-treaty-principles-bill-submissions-hearings-begin
Just had a drop in for a a short while.
The views go all over the spectrum. From logical to the illogical, of
showing a mis-understanding of the aims of the Bill. (I guess this was
common knowledge to the average Kiwi with an interest in this)
From the points that I think most Kiwis would agree with to a very narrow >view point which is a a wide ranging subject.
New Zealand does need a civilised discussion and a referendum. Maybe ACT's Bill has
gone some way to achieve this.
On 27 Jan 2025 04:12:48 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Noted, that you don't believe we should spend money on democratic process, no surprise of course.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/540018/watch-live-select-committee-treaty-principles-bill-submissions-hearings-begin
Just had a drop in for a a short while.
The views go all over the spectrum. From logical to the illogical, of >>showing a mis-understanding of the aims of the Bill. (I guess this was >>common knowledge to the average Kiwi with an interest in this)
From the points that I think most Kiwis would agree with to a very narrow >>view point which is a a wide ranging subject.
What points do you think most Kiwis would agree with, Gordon?
Many would have watched or listened to David Seymour - I agree he had
a very narrow viewpoint, and the aim he expressed for the bill was not
very clear at all, but I thought he did better than Farrar, who
appeared to be trying to agree with both the National Party and ACT
Party views, and succeeded only in coming across as very confused.
Chris Finlayson spoke very well as he always has, but both he and the
Labour ex-Treaty Minister had a common view that the proposed
legislation is deeply wrong - a view shared in different ways by most >speakers. Both Seymour and Farrar will have been two of the three that
ACT was able to invite - or perhaps with Seymour being the Minister
they were able to get two others to speak, but I was not able to
identify anyone else that supported the legislation - but then I
missed a couple of hours of the live broadcast - can anyone identify
any other speakers that supported the bill?
New Zealand does need a civilised discussion and a referendum. Maybe ACT's >>Bill has
gone some way to achieve this.
Oh I think it did better than that - there really is no need for
further discussion surely?
Still Seymour seem to think the money worth spending - the cost of
just one day of the Select Committee must have been enormous - keeping
it going for months longer will be hard, although embarrassing Luxon
for being so weak as to allow it to fester may have been one of the
aims all along - ACT does want to take over from National as the main >advocate for the wealthy donors on the far right . . . .
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 27 Jan 2025 04:12:48 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Noted, that you don't believe we should spend money on democratic process, no >surprise of course.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/540018/watch-live-select-committee-treaty-principles-bill-submissions-hearings-begin
Just had a drop in for a a short while.
The views go all over the spectrum. From logical to the illogical, of >>>showing a mis-understanding of the aims of the Bill. (I guess this was >>>common knowledge to the average Kiwi with an interest in this)
From the points that I think most Kiwis would agree with to a very narrow >>>view point which is a a wide ranging subject.
What points do you think most Kiwis would agree with, Gordon?
Many would have watched or listened to David Seymour - I agree he had
a very narrow viewpoint, and the aim he expressed for the bill was not
very clear at all, but I thought he did better than Farrar, who
appeared to be trying to agree with both the National Party and ACT
Party views, and succeeded only in coming across as very confused.
Chris Finlayson spoke very well as he always has, but both he and the >>Labour ex-Treaty Minister had a common view that the proposed
legislation is deeply wrong - a view shared in different ways by most >>speakers. Both Seymour and Farrar will have been two of the three that
ACT was able to invite - or perhaps with Seymour being the Minister
they were able to get two others to speak, but I was not able to
identify anyone else that supported the legislation - but then I
missed a couple of hours of the live broadcast - can anyone identify
any other speakers that supported the bill?
New Zealand does need a civilised discussion and a referendum. Maybe ACT's >>>Bill has
gone some way to achieve this.
Oh I think it did better than that - there really is no need for
further discussion surely?
Still Seymour seem to think the money worth spending - the cost of
just one day of the Select Committee must have been enormous - keeping
it going for months longer will be hard, although embarrassing Luxon
for being so weak as to allow it to fester may have been one of the
aims all along - ACT does want to take over from National as the main >>advocate for the wealthy donors on the far right . . . .
Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 27 Jan 2025 04:12:48 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Noted, that you don't believe we should spend money on democratic process, no >>surprise of course.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/540018/watch-live-select-committee-treaty-principles-bill-submissions-hearings-begin
Just had a drop in for a a short while.
The views go all over the spectrum. From logical to the illogical, of >>>>showing a mis-understanding of the aims of the Bill. (I guess this was >>>>common knowledge to the average Kiwi with an interest in this)
From the points that I think most Kiwis would agree with to a very narrow >>>>view point which is a a wide ranging subject.
What points do you think most Kiwis would agree with, Gordon?
Many would have watched or listened to David Seymour - I agree he had
a very narrow viewpoint, and the aim he expressed for the bill was not >>>very clear at all, but I thought he did better than Farrar, who
appeared to be trying to agree with both the National Party and ACT
Party views, and succeeded only in coming across as very confused.
Chris Finlayson spoke very well as he always has, but both he and the >>>Labour ex-Treaty Minister had a common view that the proposed
legislation is deeply wrong - a view shared in different ways by most >>>speakers. Both Seymour and Farrar will have been two of the three that >>>ACT was able to invite - or perhaps with Seymour being the Minister
they were able to get two others to speak, but I was not able to
identify anyone else that supported the legislation - but then I
missed a couple of hours of the live broadcast - can anyone identify
any other speakers that supported the bill?
New Zealand does need a civilised discussion and a referendum. Maybe ACT's >>>>Bill has
gone some way to achieve this.
Oh I think it did better than that - there really is no need for
further discussion surely?
Still Seymour seem to think the money worth spending - the cost of
just one day of the Select Committee must have been enormous - keeping
it going for months longer will be hard, although embarrassing Luxon
for being so weak as to allow it to fester may have been one of the
aims all along - ACT does want to take over from National as the main >>>advocate for the wealthy donors on the far right . . . .
Of course Rich does not support the democratic process. He's a
marxist supporter.
On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 09:58:16 +1300, Mutley <[email protected]>No you are stupid.
wrote:
Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 27 Jan 2025 04:12:48 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Noted, that you don't believe we should spend money on democratic process, >>>no
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/540018/watch-live-select-committee-treaty-principles-bill-submissions-hearings-begin
Just had a drop in for a a short while.
The views go all over the spectrum. From logical to the illogical, of >>>>>showing a mis-understanding of the aims of the Bill. (I guess this was >>>>>common knowledge to the average Kiwi with an interest in this)
From the points that I think most Kiwis would agree with to a very narrow >>>>>view point which is a a wide ranging subject.
What points do you think most Kiwis would agree with, Gordon?
Many would have watched or listened to David Seymour - I agree he had
a very narrow viewpoint, and the aim he expressed for the bill was not >>>>very clear at all, but I thought he did better than Farrar, who >>>>appeared to be trying to agree with both the National Party and ACT >>>>Party views, and succeeded only in coming across as very confused.
Chris Finlayson spoke very well as he always has, but both he and the >>>>Labour ex-Treaty Minister had a common view that the proposed >>>>legislation is deeply wrong - a view shared in different ways by most >>>>speakers. Both Seymour and Farrar will have been two of the three that >>>>ACT was able to invite - or perhaps with Seymour being the Minister >>>>they were able to get two others to speak, but I was not able to >>>>identify anyone else that supported the legislation - but then I
missed a couple of hours of the live broadcast - can anyone identify >>>>any other speakers that supported the bill?
New Zealand does need a civilised discussion and a referendum. Maybe ACT's >>>>>Bill has
gone some way to achieve this.
Oh I think it did better than that - there really is no need for >>>>further discussion surely?
Still Seymour seem to think the money worth spending - the cost of
just one day of the Select Committee must have been enormous - keeping >>>>it going for months longer will be hard, although embarrassing Luxon >>>>for being so weak as to allow it to fester may have been one of the >>>>aims all along - ACT does want to take over from National as the main >>>>advocate for the wealthy donors on the far right . . . .
surprise of course.
Of course Rich does not support the democratic process. He's a
marxist supporter.
That is stupid
- there are no political parties that support Marxism,Yes there are and in this country, both Labour's extreme left wing and the Green party are obviously maxist. After all, Ardern was and is a self proclaimed marxist - do grow some semblance of integrity.
although ACT is the most extreme authoritarian party.Pathetically funny, not in a million years compared to the Greens.
The democratic process is being followed - but poor Luxon made aWhich is exactly what he must do because unlike you he supports democratic process - you want to shut down discussion just because you dosagree with the other side's opinions.
mistake in the coalition agreement, and then a further mistake in
agreeing to waste so much money on six months for select committee
hearings - which hopefully can be shortened when the only people
wanting to speak have nothing new to say.
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