https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/
A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the lies >that TPM are using.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), TonyHe got it spot on. Who he is only matters to people like you and other idiots, I care about the content, did you understand that? I guess not then.
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/
A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the lies >>that TPM are using.
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/
A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the lies >>that TPM are using.
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
On 2025-01-10, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Exactly, all of that is irrelevant.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/
A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the >>>lies
that TPM are using.
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
Personally I do not care, for he has written a good sumission of the history >of the Treaty's creation. I care not if Graeme Spencer is part of the Altas >Group or any other far right group.
Also found at
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/graeme-spencer-treaty-principles.html
"Graeme Spencer is a staunch New Zealander who believes in racial equality and >one law for
all."
The comments are interesting. I seems as if there is an expectation that
that this bill does not have the support of National and thus is a dead >horse.
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-10, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Exactly, all of that is irrelevant.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/ >>>>A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the >>>>lies
that TPM are using.
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
Personally I do not care, for he has written a good sumission of the history >>of the Treaty's creation. I care not if Graeme Spencer is part of the Altas >>Group or any other far right group.
Only the facts matter and Spencer has provided those.
Interesting that Dickbot simply says Spencer is wrong, not a skerrick of evidence provided by him or her.
I suspect Rich is actually not a New Zealander. Even if he has paper that says
he is, he really is not one in his dark mind and soul.
Also found at
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/graeme-spencer-treaty-principles.html
"Graeme Spencer is a staunch New Zealander who believes in racial equality and
one law for
all."
The comments are interesting. I seems as if there is an expectation that >>that this bill does not have the support of National and thus is a dead >>horse.
On 2025-01-10, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/
A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the lies
that TPM are using.
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
Personally I do not care, for he has written a good sumission of the history >of the Treaty's creation. I care not if Graeme Spenser is part of the Altas >Group or any other far right group.
Also found at
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/graeme-spencer-treaty-principles.html
"Graeme Spencer is a staunch New Zealander who believes in racial equality and one law forOne law for all is an attractive concept, but it must be seen
all."
The comments are interesting. I seems as if there is an expectation that
that this bill does not have the support of National and thus is a dead >horse.
On 10 Jan 2025 22:20:30 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:That is a lie and we all know it.
On 2025-01-10, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/ >>>>A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the >>>>lies
that TPM are using.
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
Personally I do not care, for he has written a good sumission of the history >>of the Treaty's creation. I care not if Graeme Spenser is part of the Altas >>Group or any other far right group.
Also found at
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/graeme-spencer-treaty-principles.html
Thanks for that. The NZCPR generally follows the same ideas that the
Atlas Network pushes, but I am not aware of them being part of that >organisation yet. They are perhaps best known for circulating a
document written by Sir Apirana Ngata and pretended that they did not
know that later scholarship had shown that the understanding of
lawyers and judges at that time has proved to be wrong, being based on
an English version of the Treaty that differed from the version signed
by most of the Maori Chiefs.
Another lie.One law for all is an attractive concept, but it must be seen
"Graeme Spencer is a staunch New Zealander who believes in racial equality >>and one law for
all."
separately from honouring contracts between different people, or
between the Crown and particular groups - Te Tiriti o Waitangi was
signed before there were any New Zealand laws, and abrogating a Treaty
is not the same thing as providing one law for all.
He is not, but you are.
The comments are interesting. I seems as if there is an expectation that >>that this bill does not have the support of National and thus is a dead >>horse.
National are being a bit cute on this one - not in the coalition
agreement were making the time for submissions so short, and ending
during a holiday period, or having a very long select Committee
process giving the ACT party centre stage to foment disunity for a
very long time. Poor Christopher Luxon is clearly out of his depth.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 00:28:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-10, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Exactly, all of that is irrelevant.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
that TPM are using.https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/ >>>>>A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the >>>>>lies
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
Personally I do not care, for he has written a good sumission of the history >>>of the Treaty's creation. I care not if Graeme Spencer is part of the Altas >>>Group or any other far right group.
Only the facts matter and Spencer has provided those.
Interesting that Dickbot simply says Spencer is wrong, not a skerrick of >>evidence provided by him or her.
I suspect Rich is actually not a New Zealander. Even if he has paper that >>says
he is, he really is not one in his dark mind and soul.
Also found at
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/graeme-spencer-treaty-principles.html
"Graeme Spencer is a staunch New Zealander who believes in racial equality >>>and
one law for
all."
The comments are interesting. I seems as if there is an expectation that >>>that this bill does not have the support of National and thus is a dead >>>horse.
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-10, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Exactly, all of that is irrelevant.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/ >>>>A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the >>>>lies
that TPM are using.
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
Personally I do not care, for he has written a good sumission of the history >>of the Treaty's creation. I care not if Graeme Spencer is part of the Altas >>Group or any other far right group.
Only the facts matter and Spencer has provided those.
Interesting that Dickbot simply says Spencer is wrong, not a skerrick of >evidence provided by him or her.
I suspect Rich is actually not a New Zealander. Even if he has paper that says >he is, he really is not one in his dark mind and soul.
Also found at
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/graeme-spencer-treaty-principles.html
"Graeme Spencer is a staunch New Zealander who believes in racial equality and
one law for
all."
The comments are interesting. I seems as if there is an expectation that >>that this bill does not have the support of National and thus is a dead >>horse.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:You cannot however provide any evidence in support of your wild
On 10 Jan 2025 22:20:30 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:That is a lie and we all know it.
On 2025-01-10, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
that TPM are using.https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/ >>>>>A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the >>>>>lies
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do
you know, Tony?
Personally I do not care, for he has written a good sumission of the history >>>of the Treaty's creation. I care not if Graeme Spenser is part of the Altas >>>Group or any other far right group.
Also found at
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/graeme-spencer-treaty-principles.html
Thanks for that. The NZCPR generally follows the same ideas that the
Atlas Network pushes, but I am not aware of them being part of that >>organisation yet. They are perhaps best known for circulating a
document written by Sir Apirana Ngata and pretended that they did not
know that later scholarship had shown that the understanding of
lawyers and judges at that time has proved to be wrong, being based on
an English version of the Treaty that differed from the version signed
by most of the Maori Chiefs.
Another lie.One law for all is an attractive concept, but it must be seen
"Graeme Spencer is a staunch New Zealander who believes in racial equality >>>and one law for
all."
separately from honouring contracts between different people, or
between the Crown and particular groups - Te Tiriti o Waitangi was
signed before there were any New Zealand laws, and abrogating a Treaty
is not the same thing as providing one law for all.
He is not, but you are.
The comments are interesting. I seems as if there is an expectation that >>>that this bill does not have the support of National and thus is a dead >>>horse.
National are being a bit cute on this one - not in the coalition
agreement were making the time for submissions so short, and ending
during a holiday period, or having a very long select Committee
process giving the ACT party centre stage to foment disunity for a
very long time. Poor Christopher Luxon is clearly out of his depth.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 06:00:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo assertion, just the truth.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:You cannot however provide any evidence in support of your wild
On 10 Jan 2025 22:20:30 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:That is a lie and we all know it.
On 2025-01-10, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 20:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
that TPM are using.https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/01/11/treaty-principles-bill-submission/ >>>>>>A very thoughtful and logical one. Using historical facts instead of the >>>>>>lies
Sad that he got it wrong then. I do wonder who Graeme Spencer is - do >>>>> you know, Tony?
Personally I do not care, for he has written a good sumission of the history
of the Treaty's creation. I care not if Graeme Spenser is part of the Altas >>>>Group or any other far right group.
Also found at
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/graeme-spencer-treaty-principles.html
Thanks for that. The NZCPR generally follows the same ideas that the >>>Atlas Network pushes, but I am not aware of them being part of that >>>organisation yet. They are perhaps best known for circulating a
document written by Sir Apirana Ngata and pretended that they did not >>>know that later scholarship had shown that the understanding of
lawyers and judges at that time has proved to be wrong, being based on
an English version of the Treaty that differed from the version signed
by most of the Maori Chiefs.
assertion - or can you, Tony?
Another lie.One law for all is an attractive concept, but it must be seen
"Graeme Spencer is a staunch New Zealander who believes in racial equality >>>>and one law for
all."
separately from honouring contracts between different people, or
between the Crown and particular groups - Te Tiriti o Waitangi was
signed before there were any New Zealand laws, and abrogating a Treaty
is not the same thing as providing one law for all.
He is not, but you are.
The comments are interesting. I seems as if there is an expectation that >>>>that this bill does not have the support of National and thus is a dead >>>>horse.
National are being a bit cute on this one - not in the coalition >>>agreement were making the time for submissions so short, and ending >>>during a holiday period, or having a very long select Committee
process giving the ACT party centre stage to foment disunity for a
very long time. Poor Christopher Luxon is clearly out of his depth.
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