• A&A interview the The Atlas Networks Debbi Gibbs

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 13 09:52:16 2024
    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of
    particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David
    Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Dec 12 21:28:38 2024
    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    Thanks Crash.
    That puts the lie to Rich and his cronies.
    Of course he will claim that the interviewee was lying. But with no evidence.
    I will let balanced people judge.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 13 13:58:00 2024
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:52:16 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    from comment on that video, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQOw6qpblY&ab_channel=CentralNewsUTS

    and also relevant:
    https://thestandard.org.nz/atlas-network-in-new-zealand/

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 01:37:21 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:28:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    Thanks Crash.
    That puts the lie to Rich and his cronies.
    Of course he will claim that the interviewee was lying. But with no evidence. >>I will let balanced people judge.

    Gibbs was being very careful in her answers, but I think she was being
    very careful not to lie. Gibbs was the Chair of the Atlas Network - I
    had not heard that she had been replaced.

    But for NZ Links to Atlas, see: >https://thestandard.org.nz/the-apparatus-behind-the-curtain-part-2-the-mainline/

    (It also covers Groundswell being 'assisted' with organisation and
    funding by the NZ Taxpayer Union / Campaign Co / etc )
    The whole point of the interview is whether or not Atlas is something other than what they say they are.
    You have failed miserably to show that they are not a charitable organisation with excellent intentions.
    You are therefore off topic (again! Who would have thought?).

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 15:06:50 2024
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:37:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:28:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    Thanks Crash.
    That puts the lie to Rich and his cronies.
    Of course he will claim that the interviewee was lying. But with no evidence.
    I will let balanced people judge.

    Gibbs was being very careful in her answers, but I think she was being
    very careful not to lie. Gibbs was the Chair of the Atlas Network - I
    had not heard that she had been replaced.

    But for NZ Links to Atlas, see: >>https://thestandard.org.nz/the-apparatus-behind-the-curtain-part-2-the-mainline/

    (It also covers Groundswell being 'assisted' with organisation and
    funding by the NZ Taxpayer Union / Campaign Co / etc )
    The whole point of the interview is whether or not Atlas is something other >than what they say they are.
    You have failed miserably to show that they are not a charitable organisation >with excellent intentions.
    You are therefore off topic (again! Who would have thought?).
    I am not aware of any claims that the Atlas Network is a charitable organisation - what are you talking about, Tony?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 15:10:47 2024
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:42:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:52:16 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>wrote:

    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    from comment on that video, see: >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQOw6qpblY&ab_channel=CentralNewsUTS

    and also relevant:
    https://thestandard.org.nz/atlas-network-in-new-zealand/
    2 left wing organisations of course!
    You have never provided evidence that the Atlas network is other than an >altruistic one - you simply hate people who are caring.


    No one has suggested that the Atlas network is altruistic - it is an organisation whose members are political think-tanks - David Seymour
    and Jordan Williams are both graduates from their "MBA" programme -
    for more information read this article:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/10/31/chiding-in-plain-sight/

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 01:42:11 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:52:16 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    from comment on that video, see: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQOw6qpblY&ab_channel=CentralNewsUTS

    and also relevant:
    https://thestandard.org.nz/atlas-network-in-new-zealand/
    2 left wing organisations of course!
    You have never provided evidence that the Atlas network is other than an altruistic one - you simply hate people who are caring.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 14:29:47 2024
    On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:28:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    Thanks Crash.
    That puts the lie to Rich and his cronies.
    Of course he will claim that the interviewee was lying. But with no evidence. >I will let balanced people judge.

    Gibbs was being very careful in her answers, but I think she was being
    very careful not to lie. Gibbs was the Chair of the Atlas Network - I
    had not heard that she had been replaced.

    But for NZ Links to Atlas, see: https://thestandard.org.nz/the-apparatus-behind-the-curtain-part-2-the-mainline/

    (It also covers Groundswell being 'assisted' with organisation and
    funding by the NZ Taxpayer Union / Campaign Co / etc )

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 02:57:51 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:37:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:28:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    Thanks Crash.
    That puts the lie to Rich and his cronies.
    Of course he will claim that the interviewee was lying. But with no >>>>evidence.
    I will let balanced people judge.

    Gibbs was being very careful in her answers, but I think she was being >>>very careful not to lie. Gibbs was the Chair of the Atlas Network - I
    had not heard that she had been replaced.

    But for NZ Links to Atlas, see: >>>https://thestandard.org.nz/the-apparatus-behind-the-curtain-part-2-the-mainline/

    (It also covers Groundswell being 'assisted' with organisation and >>>funding by the NZ Taxpayer Union / Campaign Co / etc )
    The whole point of the interview is whether or not Atlas is something other >>than what they say they are.
    You have failed miserably to show that they are not a charitable organisation >>with excellent intentions.
    You are therefore off topic (again! Who would have thought?).
    I am not aware of any claims that the Atlas Network is a charitable >organisation - what are you talking about, Tony?
    Watch the interview. It is all there. Not for profit equals charitable. Sorry that I did not post in your native tongue but I don't speak idiot.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 02:55:42 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:42:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:52:16 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>wrote:

    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    from comment on that video, see: >>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQOw6qpblY&ab_channel=CentralNewsUTS

    and also relevant: >>>https://thestandard.org.nz/atlas-network-in-new-zealand/
    2 left wing organisations of course!
    You have never provided evidence that the Atlas network is other than an >>altruistic one - you simply hate people who are caring.


    No one has suggested that the Atlas network is altruistic - it is an >organisation whose members are political think-tanks - David Seymour
    and Jordan Williams are both graduates from their "MBA" programme -
    for more information read this article:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/10/31/chiding-in-plain-sight/
    They are a not for profit and they claim to be altruistic.
    Until you prove otherwise then that is what they are.
    Simple, just like you.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 02:25:06 2024
    On 2024-12-13, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:28:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    Thanks Crash.
    That puts the lie to Rich and his cronies.
    Of course he will claim that the interviewee was lying. But with no evidence. >>I will let balanced people judge.

    Gibbs was being very careful in her answers,

    Given this type of situation the reply to the interview questions has to be careful answers. Atlas needs to not inflame the situation for many reasons.
    If and only if there is a great deal to be lost by saying something will
    have a huge storm on a tea cup.

    but I think she was being
    very careful not to lie. Gibbs was the Chair of the Atlas Network - I
    had not heard that she had been replaced.

    But for NZ Links to Atlas, see: https://thestandard.org.nz/the-apparatus-behind-the-curtain-part-2-the-mainline/

    (It also covers Groundswell being 'assisted' with organisation and
    funding by the NZ Taxpayer Union / Campaign Co / etc )

    As Gibbs pointed out they have handing out funding for things which they see as important for the well being of a healthy society. Free speech was the
    example given, which history shows that the Previous Government was totally
    in favour of unless it aligned with their views.

    The fact that David Seymour is being attacked by the Left shows that he is probably on the right track.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 16:35:15 2024
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 02:55:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:42:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:52:16 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>wrote:

    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    from comment on that video, see: >>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQOw6qpblY&ab_channel=CentralNewsUTS

    and also relevant: >>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/atlas-network-in-new-zealand/
    2 left wing organisations of course!
    You have never provided evidence that the Atlas network is other than an >>>altruistic one - you simply hate people who are caring.


    No one has suggested that the Atlas network is altruistic - it is an >>organisation whose members are political think-tanks - David Seymour
    and Jordan Williams are both graduates from their "MBA" programme -
    for more information read this article:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/10/31/chiding-in-plain-sight/
    They are a not for profit and they claim to be altruistic.
    Until you prove otherwise then that is what they are.
    Simple, just like you.

    They are a political organisation, that now work with member think
    tanks in a range of countries, working for common political aims. I
    have seen no claim from them that they are altruistic, but all
    political organisations claim to make lives better for at least some
    of the population. You may see them as more altruistic than some
    political parties; others will disagree and see other parties as more altruistic than organisations such as ACT, NZ Taxpayer Union, NZ
    Initiative, etc. What do you want proved, Tony?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 06:05:57 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 02:55:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:42:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:52:16 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>wrote:

    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>>>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>>>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    from comment on that video, see: >>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQOw6qpblY&ab_channel=CentralNewsUTS >>>>>
    and also relevant: >>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/atlas-network-in-new-zealand/
    2 left wing organisations of course!
    You have never provided evidence that the Atlas network is other than an >>>>altruistic one - you simply hate people who are caring.


    No one has suggested that the Atlas network is altruistic - it is an >>>organisation whose members are political think-tanks - David Seymour
    and Jordan Williams are both graduates from their "MBA" programme -
    for more information read this article:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/10/31/chiding-in-plain-sight/
    They are a not for profit and they claim to be altruistic.
    Until you prove otherwise then that is what they are.
    Simple, just like you.

    They are a political organisation, that now work with member think
    tanks in a range of countries, working for common political aims. I
    have seen no claim from them that they are altruistic, but all
    political organisations claim to make lives better for at least some
    of the population. You may see them as more altruistic than some
    political parties; others will disagree and see other parties as more >altruistic than organisations such as ACT, NZ Taxpayer Union, NZ
    Initiative, etc. What do you want proved, Tony?
    They calim to be a charitable organisation, ie altruistic. Prove them otherwise or stop wasting your time.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 20:08:14 2024
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 06:05:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 02:55:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:42:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:52:16 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>>wrote:

    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>>>>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>>>>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    from comment on that video, see: >>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQOw6qpblY&ab_channel=CentralNewsUTS >>>>>>
    and also relevant: >>>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/atlas-network-in-new-zealand/
    2 left wing organisations of course!
    You have never provided evidence that the Atlas network is other than an >>>>>altruistic one - you simply hate people who are caring.


    No one has suggested that the Atlas network is altruistic - it is an >>>>organisation whose members are political think-tanks - David Seymour >>>>and Jordan Williams are both graduates from their "MBA" programme -
    for more information read this article:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/10/31/chiding-in-plain-sight/
    They are a not for profit and they claim to be altruistic.
    Until you prove otherwise then that is what they are.
    Simple, just like you.

    They are a political organisation, that now work with member think
    tanks in a range of countries, working for common political aims. I
    have seen no claim from them that they are altruistic, but all
    political organisations claim to make lives better for at least some
    of the population. You may see them as more altruistic than some
    political parties; others will disagree and see other parties as more >>altruistic than organisations such as ACT, NZ Taxpayer Union, NZ >>Initiative, etc. What do you want proved, Tony?
    They calim to be a charitable organisation, ie altruistic. Prove them otherwise
    or stop wasting your time.

    Show us a reference to "They calim to be a charitable organisation, ie altruistic." The words charitable and altruistic do of course have
    different meanings . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 13 07:25:04 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 06:05:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 02:55:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:42:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:52:16 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>>>>>wrote:

    https://youtu.be/g7Ra5vzpOjA

    There are a number of topics covered in this short interview but of >>>>>>>>particular interest is the connection between the Atlas Network, David >>>>>>>>Seymour, the Free Speech Union etc.

    Gibbs is on the Advisory Board, and a kiwi living in New York.

    from comment on that video, see: >>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQOw6qpblY&ab_channel=CentralNewsUTS >>>>>>>
    and also relevant: >>>>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/atlas-network-in-new-zealand/
    2 left wing organisations of course!
    You have never provided evidence that the Atlas network is other than an >>>>>>altruistic one - you simply hate people who are caring.


    No one has suggested that the Atlas network is altruistic - it is an >>>>>organisation whose members are political think-tanks - David Seymour >>>>>and Jordan Williams are both graduates from their "MBA" programme - >>>>>for more information read this article:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/10/31/chiding-in-plain-sight/
    They are a not for profit and they claim to be altruistic.
    Until you prove otherwise then that is what they are.
    Simple, just like you.

    They are a political organisation, that now work with member think
    tanks in a range of countries, working for common political aims. I
    have seen no claim from them that they are altruistic, but all
    political organisations claim to make lives better for at least some
    of the population. You may see them as more altruistic than some >>>political parties; others will disagree and see other parties as more >>>altruistic than organisations such as ACT, NZ Taxpayer Union, NZ >>>Initiative, etc. What do you want proved, Tony?
    They calim to be a charitable organisation, ie altruistic. Prove them >>otherwise
    or stop wasting your time.

    Show us a reference to "They calim to be a charitable organisation, ie >altruistic."
    Watch the interview and listen carefully to the words.
    The words charitable and altruistic do of course have
    different meanings . . .
    Maybe in your native language but in English they have complimentary meanings. Not different at all.
    You really should get that English language training before you make a biiger fool of yourself.

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