• Re: We are going off-track . . .

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 30 10:25:40 2024
    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 11:53:47 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing

    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
    government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
    Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
    government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition >agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
    right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
    election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
    economic situation worse.

    Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
    you have nothing meaningful to say.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
    businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
    Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
    medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
    low income immigrants . . .

    You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
    historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
    the last one).

    The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
    it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition
    agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3
    parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous
    Government.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 30 15:21:53 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:25:40 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 11:53:47 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing >>
    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
    government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and >>Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
    government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition >>agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
    right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
    election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our >>economic situation worse.

    Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
    you have nothing meaningful to say.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
    businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of >>Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
    medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
    low income immigrants . . .

    You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
    historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
    the last one).

    The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
    it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition
    agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3
    parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous >Government.

    I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
    have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
    or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
    company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,
    but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
    they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
    in Dunedin?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Sep 30 06:47:25 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:25:40 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 11:53:47 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing >>>
    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
    government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and >>>Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
    government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition >>>agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
    right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
    election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our >>>economic situation worse.

    Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
    you have nothing meaningful to say.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
    businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of >>>Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
    medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
    low income immigrants . . .

    You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
    historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
    the last one).

    The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
    it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition >>agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3 >>parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous >>Government.

    I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
    have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
    or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
    company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,
    but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
    they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
    in Dunedin?
    The two are not related, obviously. Such things never are with governments.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Sep 30 22:27:49 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 06:47:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:25:40 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 11:53:47 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing >>>>
    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after >>>>government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and >>>>Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing >>>>government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition >>>>agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the >>>>right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the >>>>election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our >>>>economic situation worse.

    Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when >>>you have nothing meaningful to say.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and >>>>businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of >>>>Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
    medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
    low income immigrants . . .

    You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
    historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
    the last one).

    The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
    it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition >>>agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3 >>>parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous >>>Government.

    I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
    have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
    or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
    company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,
    but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
    they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
    in Dunedin?
    The two are not related, obviously. Such things never are with governments.

    Of course they are - The NACT1st government are saying that they
    cannot afford to do some things they promised - giving away a heap of
    money for something they did not promise (at least publicly) are
    clearly related in that context.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Sep 30 18:32:20 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 06:47:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:25:40 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 11:53:47 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing

    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after >>>>>government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and >>>>>Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing >>>>>government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition >>>>>agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the >>>>>right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the >>>>>election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our >>>>>economic situation worse.

    Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when >>>>you have nothing meaningful to say.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and >>>>>businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of >>>>>Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and >>>>>medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with >>>>>low income immigrants . . .

    You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
    historical references that involve past Labour governments (including >>>>the last one).

    The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said >>>>it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition >>>>agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3 >>>>parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous >>>>Government.

    I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
    have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
    or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco >>>company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,
    but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
    they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
    in Dunedin?
    The two are not related, obviously. Such things never are with governments.

    Of course they are - The NACT1st government are saying that they
    cannot afford to do some things they promised - giving away a heap of
    money for something they did not promise (at least publicly) are
    clearly related in that context.
    Nonsense.
    Either can exist in isolation and that is the definition of not related. They are not related.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 11:45:55 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:21:53 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:25:40 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 11:53:47 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing >>>
    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
    government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and >>>Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
    government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition >>>agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
    right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
    election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our >>>economic situation worse.

    Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
    you have nothing meaningful to say.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
    businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of >>>Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
    medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
    low income immigrants . . .

    You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
    historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
    the last one).

    The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
    it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition >>agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3 >>parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous >>Government.

    I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
    have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
    or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
    company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,

    Cite please.

    but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
    they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
    in Dunedin?

    I am not aware of any reduction in commitment to build a new Hospital
    in Dunedin. There are cost blowouts and these are being dealt with.


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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Mon Sep 30 23:44:39 2024
    On 2024-09-30, Crash <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:21:53 +1300, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:25:40 +1300, Crash <[email protected]d> >>wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 11:53:47 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing >>>>
    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after >>>>government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and >>>>Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing >>>>government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition >>>>agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the >>>>right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the >>>>election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our >>>>economic situation worse.

    Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when >>>you have nothing meaningful to say.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and >>>>businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of >>>>Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
    medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
    low income immigrants . . .

    You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
    historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
    the last one).

    The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
    it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition >>>agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3 >>>parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous >>>Government.

    I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
    have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
    or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
    company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,

    Cite please.

    but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
    they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
    in Dunedin?

    I am not aware of any reduction in commitment to build a new Hospital
    in Dunedin. There are cost blowouts and these are being dealt with.

    The PM acknowledged that the delay was causing frustation but the budget of
    1.9 billion was the limit, no blow outs acceptable.

    This is the real world, things do not go as planned.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 28 11:53:47 2024
    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing

    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
    government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
    Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
    government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
    agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
    right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
    election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
    economic situation worse.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
    businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
    Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
    medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
    low income immigrants . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Sep 28 00:59:00 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote: >https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing

    Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
    government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
    Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
    government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition >agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
    right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
    election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
    economic situation worse.
    Your sarcasm is offensive.

    So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
    businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
    Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
    medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
    low income immigrants . . .
    That's what happens when a Labour government fucks the country. We are now trying to fix that.
    We are in fact going back on track. Finally!

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