• Something of value

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 9 21:53:05 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth here. The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Sep 10 10:40:56 2024
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of
    limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation,
    food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current
    President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage
    Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and
    consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "


    Don't worry about bashing the authors, Tony - your shared far-right
    ideology with this and other "climate freaks" has long been apparent.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Sep 10 11:43:19 2024
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 23:29:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth >>>here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of
    limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation,
    food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current
    President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and
    consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "

    Abuse removed.
    None of your quotes reduce the value of my post. In fact they re-inforce the >fact that there is no climate emergency.
    You are one of the freaks and you always bash aouthors.
    I am quite tolerant of spelling mistakes, Tony - unlike you. But then
    you have problems seeing the big picture . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Sep 9 23:29:17 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth >>here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of
    limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation,
    food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current
    President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage
    Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and
    consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "

    Abuse removed.
    None of your quotes reduce the value of my post. In fact they re-inforce the fact that there is no climate emergency.
    You are one of the freaks and you always bash aouthors.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Sep 10 00:20:48 2024
    On 2024-09-09, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 23:29:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth >>>>here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of >>>limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation, >>>food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current >>>President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and >>>consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "

    Abuse removed.
    None of your quotes reduce the value of my post. In fact they re-inforce the >>fact that there is no climate emergency.
    You are one of the freaks and you always bash aouthors.
    I am quite tolerant of spelling mistakes, Tony - unlike you. But then
    you have problems seeing the big picture . . .

    The horse is dead Rich. Yes really it is dead.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 10 12:24:53 2024
    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:40:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of
    limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation,
    food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current
    President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage
    Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and
    consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "


    Don't worry about bashing the authors, Tony - your shared far-right
    ideology with this and other "climate freaks" has long been apparent.

    So you comment on the bona-0fides of the first cite, but make no
    comment on the article itself.

    Logically this means you must substantively agree with what the
    article says apart from the CEI cite.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Sep 10 00:28:51 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 23:29:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth >>>>here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of >>>limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation, >>>food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current >>>President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and >>>consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "

    Abuse removed.
    None of your quotes reduce the value of my post. In fact they re-inforce the >>fact that there is no climate emergency.
    You are one of the freaks and you always bash aouthors.
    I am quite tolerant of spelling mistakes, Tony
    Yes, anybody who uses a spell checker like you do can scoff at those who don't, like me. But that is what you do, isn't it, childish little digs at your betters. (it is called envy!)?
    - unlike you. But then
    you have problems seeing the big picture . . .
    The big picture is clear, it is you that only believe what your leaders tell you to.
    There is zero evidence of a climate emergency.
    The climate is doing what it has always done.
    There is no climate emergency. You lie because your masters tell you to like the good little soldier that you are (I was just obeying orders my lord!).

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Sep 10 00:29:11 2024
    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-09-09, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 23:29:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth >>>>>here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith >>>>Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of >>>>limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI >>>>focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation, >>>>food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current >>>>President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>>>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and >>>>consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>>>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "

    Abuse removed.
    None of your quotes reduce the value of my post. In fact they re-inforce the >>>fact that there is no climate emergency.
    You are one of the freaks and you always bash aouthors.
    I am quite tolerant of spelling mistakes, Tony - unlike you. But then
    you have problems seeing the big picture . . .

    The horse is dead Rich. Yes really it is dead.
    So is his brain.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 10 13:45:44 2024
    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:24:53 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:40:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of
    limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation,
    food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current
    President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and
    consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "


    Don't worry about bashing the authors, Tony - your shared far-right >>ideology with this and other "climate freaks" has long been apparent.

    So you comment on the bona-0fides of the first cite, but make no
    comment on the article itself.

    Logically this means you must substantively agree with what the
    article says apart from the CEI cite.

    That is certainly not logical. The whole article by Brill is
    clap-trap, nonsense built on nonsense.

    What is interesting is that the Atlas Network and those that are
    linked to that network are getting fairly coy at acknowledging the
    links. Perhaps being seen as the inspiration of Trumpism is not a good
    long term strategy?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 10 14:14:25 2024
    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 13:45:44 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:24:53 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:40:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:

    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of >>>limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation, >>>food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current >>>President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and >>>consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "


    Don't worry about bashing the authors, Tony - your shared far-right >>>ideology with this and other "climate freaks" has long been apparent.

    So you comment on the bona-0fides of the first cite, but make no
    comment on the article itself.

    Logically this means you must substantively agree with what the
    article says apart from the CEI cite.

    That is certainly not logical. The whole article by Brill is
    clap-trap, nonsense built on nonsense.

    That is not a credible response. Claims have been made in detail with
    cites. If you believe that anything said is not true or not credible,
    to be taken seriously you need to do the same.

    What is interesting is that the Atlas Network and those that are
    linked to that network are getting fairly coy at acknowledging the
    links. Perhaps being seen as the inspiration of Trumpism is not a good
    long term strategy?

    Completely irrelevant and off-topic. This is a thread about climate
    change.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Sep 10 02:56:51 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:24:53 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:40:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:

    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth >>>>here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith
    Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of >>>limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI
    focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation, >>>food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current >>>President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and >>>consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "


    Don't worry about bashing the authors, Tony - your shared far-right >>>ideology with this and other "climate freaks" has long been apparent.

    So you comment on the bona-0fides of the first cite, but make no
    comment on the article itself.

    Logically this means you must substantively agree with what the
    article says apart from the CEI cite.

    That is certainly not logical. The whole article by Brill is
    clap-trap, nonsense built on nonsense.
    And you can show the content of the article to be wrong. If so, then do so. Otherwise we may assume the article is correct. Right!
    Your demeanour is so defensive, I wonder why.

    What is interesting is that the Atlas Network and those that are
    linked to that network are getting fairly coy at acknowledging the
    links. Perhaps being seen as the inspiration of Trumpism is not a good
    long term strategy?
    Off topic nonsense.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Sep 10 17:00:44 2024
    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 02:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:24:53 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d> >>wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:40:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:

    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth >>>>>here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit
    libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith >>>>Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of >>>>limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI >>>>focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business
    and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation, >>>>food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they
    have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current >>>>President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection
    of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>>>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and >>>>consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>>>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "


    Don't worry about bashing the authors, Tony - your shared far-right >>>>ideology with this and other "climate freaks" has long been apparent.

    So you comment on the bona-0fides of the first cite, but make no
    comment on the article itself.

    Logically this means you must substantively agree with what the
    article says apart from the CEI cite.

    That is certainly not logical. The whole article by Brill is
    clap-trap, nonsense built on nonsense.
    And you can show the content of the article to be wrong. If so, then do so. Here is one: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/527469/great-barrier-reef-already-been-dealt-its-death-blow-scientist

    and perhaps you have not read the Wiki article - from there:
    "Academic research has identified CEI as one of the think tanks funded
    to overturn the environmentalism of the 1960s, central to promoting
    climate change denial. It was involved in assisting the
    anti-environmental climate change policy of the George W. Bush administration.[3] CEI promotes environmental policies based on
    limited government regulation and property rights, rejects what it
    calls "global warming alarmism",[4] and denies the science of climate change.[5][6]

    CEI is an opponent of government action by the Environmental
    Protection Agency that would require limits on greenhouse gas
    emissions. It favors free-market environmentalism and supports the
    idea that market institutions are more effective in protecting the
    environment than is government. In 2016, CEI President Kent Lassman
    wrote on the organization's blog that, "there is no debate about
    whether the Earth's climate is warming", that "human activities very
    likely contribute to that warming", and that "this has long been the
    CEI's position".[7] In March 1992, CEI's founder Fred Smith said of
    global warming: "Most of the indications right now are it looks pretty
    good. Warmer winters, warmer nights, no effects during the day because
    of clouding, sounds to me like we're moving to a more benign planet,
    more rain, richer, easier productivity to agriculture."[8]

    In May 2006, CEI's global warming policy activities attracted
    attention as it embarked upon an ad campaign with two television commercials.[9] These ads promote carbon dioxide as a positive factor
    in the environment and argue that global warming is not a concern. One
    ad focuses on the message that CO2 is misrepresented as a pollutant,
    stating that "it's essential to life. We breathe it out. Plants
    breathe it in... They call it pollution. We call it life."[10] The
    other states that the world's glaciers are "growing, not melting...
    getting thicker, not thinner."[10] It cites Science articles to
    support its claims. However, the editor of Science stated that the ad "misrepresents the conclusions of the two cited Science papers... by
    selective referencing". The author of the articles, Curt Davis,
    director of the Center for Geospatial Intelligence at the University
    of Missouri, said CEI was misrepresenting his previous research to
    inflate their claims. "These television ads are a deliberate effort to
    confuse and mislead the public about the global warming debate," Davis said.[11]"

    I guess that a deliberate effort to confuse and mislead are just part
    of normal living to you Tony . . .

    Otherwise we may assume the article is correct. Right!
    Your demeanour is so defensive, I wonder why.

    What is interesting is that the Atlas Network and those that are
    linked to that network are getting fairly coy at acknowledging the
    links. Perhaps being seen as the inspiration of Trumpism is not a good
    long term strategy?
    Off topic nonsense.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Sep 10 07:25:09 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 02:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:24:53 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d> >>>wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:40:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:

    On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:53:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/10/barry-brill-on-polar-bears-shrinking-islands-other-climate-fictions/
    What a good thing it is to have independent publishers, balance and truth >>>>>>here.
    The climate freaks will just bash the authors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

    From which:

    "The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit >>>>>libertarian think tank founded by the political writer Fred L. Smith >>>>>Jr. on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., to advance principles of >>>>>limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty. CEI >>>>>focuses on a number of regulatory policy issues, including business >>>>>and finance, labor, technology and telecommunications, transportation, >>>>>food and drug regulation, and energy and environment in which they >>>>>have promoted climate change denial. Kent Lassman is the current >>>>>President and CEO. "

    and:
    "Project 2025
    CEI was a member of the advisory board of Project 2025, a collection >>>>>of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage >>>>>Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and >>>>>consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 >>>>>presidential election, from June 2022 through March 2024.[23][24] "


    Don't worry about bashing the authors, Tony - your shared far-right >>>>>ideology with this and other "climate freaks" has long been apparent.

    So you comment on the bona-0fides of the first cite, but make no >>>>comment on the article itself.

    Logically this means you must substantively agree with what the
    article says apart from the CEI cite.

    That is certainly not logical. The whole article by Brill is
    clap-trap, nonsense built on nonsense.
    And you can show the content of the article to be wrong. If so, then do so. >Here is one: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/527469/great-barrier-reef-already-been-dealt-its-death-blow-scientist

    and perhaps you have not read the Wiki article - from there:
    "Academic research has identified CEI as one of the think tanks funded
    to overturn the environmentalism of the 1960s, central to promoting
    climate change denial. It was involved in assisting the
    anti-environmental climate change policy of the George W. Bush >administration.[3] CEI promotes environmental policies based on
    limited government regulation and property rights, rejects what it
    calls "global warming alarmism",[4] and denies the science of climate >change.[5][6]

    CEI is an opponent of government action by the Environmental
    Protection Agency that would require limits on greenhouse gas
    emissions. It favors free-market environmentalism and supports the
    idea that market institutions are more effective in protecting the >environment than is government. In 2016, CEI President Kent Lassman
    wrote on the organization's blog that, "there is no debate about
    whether the Earth's climate is warming", that "human activities very
    likely contribute to that warming", and that "this has long been the
    CEI's position".[7] In March 1992, CEI's founder Fred Smith said of
    global warming: "Most of the indications right now are it looks pretty
    good. Warmer winters, warmer nights, no effects during the day because
    of clouding, sounds to me like we're moving to a more benign planet,
    more rain, richer, easier productivity to agriculture."[8]

    In May 2006, CEI's global warming policy activities attracted
    attention as it embarked upon an ad campaign with two television >commercials.[9] These ads promote carbon dioxide as a positive factor
    in the environment and argue that global warming is not a concern. One
    ad focuses on the message that CO2 is misrepresented as a pollutant,
    stating that "it's essential to life. We breathe it out. Plants
    breathe it in... They call it pollution. We call it life."[10] The
    other states that the world's glaciers are "growing, not melting...
    getting thicker, not thinner."[10] It cites Science articles to
    support its claims. However, the editor of Science stated that the ad >"misrepresents the conclusions of the two cited Science papers... by >selective referencing". The author of the articles, Curt Davis,
    director of the Center for Geospatial Intelligence at the University
    of Missouri, said CEI was misrepresenting his previous research to
    inflate their claims. "These television ads are a deliberate effort to >confuse and mislead the public about the global warming debate," Davis >said.[11]"
    That is just an attack on one organisation and does not in any way address the article or the fcats therein.

    Abuse gone.

    Otherwise we may assume the article is correct. Right!
    Your demeanour is so defensive, I wonder why.

    What is interesting is that the Atlas Network and those that are
    linked to that network are getting fairly coy at acknowledging the
    links. Perhaps being seen as the inspiration of Trumpism is not a good >>>long term strategy?
    Off topic nonsense.

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