• Re: The Next Pandemic, the plan

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 1 13:06:19 2024
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses
    or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures >>being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise
    likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the
    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may include >>arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially exposed
    and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at home) >>or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    • restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact >>tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to do >>so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).

    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all this >>"bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well the >>pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are simply >digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of informed >opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but actually did >harm at an international level.
    The current plan will have been approved by the current government,
    Tony. What would you want to change?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Aug 1 00:43:28 2024
    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses
    or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures
    being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise
    likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the
    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may include >arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially exposed >and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at home) >or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    • restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact >tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to do >so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).

    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all this >"bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well the >pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are simply digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of informed opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but actually did harm at an international level.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Aug 1 13:02:36 2024
    On 1 Aug 2024 00:11:08 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses
    or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures
    being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise
    likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the
    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    � requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may include arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    � quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially exposed and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at home) or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    � restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    � restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    � imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    � requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    � requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to do so only
    under certain conditions
    � commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).

    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all this >"bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well the >pre 2019 plan was thrown away.

    I agree that there is still a lot of "bias" - as the report said on
    page 10 ("Impacts of the Covid-19 and 1918 pandemics on New Zealand")
    :

    "While the direct and indirect health impacts of the pandemic were
    significant, the response measures implemented to save lives and
    preserve health system functionality themselves caused major
    disruption to almost every sphere of social and economic activity in
    New Zealand. The provision of financial support to adversely affected individuals and businesses proved crucial to supporting adherence with
    public health and social measures. However, in some segments of
    society, over time, misinformation and disinformation contributed to
    distrust in public health measures. The importance of measures to
    build and maintain public trust and confidence cannot be
    overestimated. "

    That misinformation and disinformation was fostered by the then
    Opposition political parties, and picked up by lot of people for both
    political reasons and because they genuinely believed that
    misinformation. Such "personal propaganda" had been led by the
    election campaigning tactics of Trump; and picked up by "Dirty
    Politics" style bloggers such as Cam Slater, David Farrar, but this
    time led by the NZ Taxpayer Union and fostered to the parliamentary
    "protest" by numerous other individuals and short lived groups, often
    on the pretext of Freedom" - meaning freedom to believe nutty
    propaganda. It is no surprise that one poster to nz.general posted a
    link to yet another Cam Slater website recently . . .

    But as far as the Pandemic Plan is concerned, This has been issued
    this year under the NAct1st coalition government, led by C Luxon. It
    would not have been issued if it had not been agreed by the
    appropriate Ministers - it is one thing to encourage stupidity and misunderstandings when in Opposition, but harder to acknowledge that
    stupidity when in Government.

    If there is another pandemic, let us hope that we do repeat history -
    why would a government want to act contrary to a world leading lower
    level of deaths than other countries experienced in that world-wide
    pandemic?

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 1 00:11:08 2024
    https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses
    or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures
    being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise
    likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the
    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may include arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially exposed and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at home) or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    • restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to do so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).

    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all this "bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well the
    pre 2019 plan was thrown away.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 1 07:38:07 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses >>>or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures >>>being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise
    likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the
    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may >>>include
    arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially >>>exposed
    and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at >>>home)
    or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    • restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact >>>tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to >>>do
    so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).

    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all this >>>"bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well the >>>pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are simply >>digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of informed >>opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but actually did >>harm at an international level.
    The current plan will have been approved by the current government,
    Tony. What would you want to change?
    Not what I referred to. A different topic.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 1 22:08:53 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:38:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses >>>>>or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures >>>>>being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise >>>>>likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the >>>>>New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may >>>>>include
    arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially >>>>>exposed
    and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at >>>>>home)
    or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    • restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact >>>>>tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to >>>>>do
    so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).

    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all >>>>>this
    "bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well the
    pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are simply >>>>digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of informed >>>>opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but actually >>>>did
    harm at an international level.
    The current plan will have been approved by the current government,
    Tony. What would you want to change?
    Not what I referred to. A different topic.

    The Subject is "The Next Pandemic, the plan"
    The plan has been published; Gordon gave the link. Do you have any
    problems with that plan, Tony?
    You are silly. That is not the topic, the topic is too subtle for your brute forcc mind.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 2 09:25:02 2024
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:38:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses >>>>or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures >>>>being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise >>>>likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the
    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may >>>>include
    arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially >>>>exposed
    and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at >>>>home)
    or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    • restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact >>>>tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to >>>>do
    so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).

    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all this
    "bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well the >>>>pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are simply >>>digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of informed >>>opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but actually did >>>harm at an international level.
    The current plan will have been approved by the current government,
    Tony. What would you want to change?
    Not what I referred to. A different topic.

    The Subject is "The Next Pandemic, the plan"
    The plan has been published; Gordon gave the link. Do you have any
    problems with that plan, Tony?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 2 14:51:30 2024
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:08:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:38:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses >>>>>>or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures >>>>>>being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise >>>>>>likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the >>>>>>New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may >>>>>>include
    arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially >>>>>>exposed
    and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at >>>>>>home)
    or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    • restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact >>>>>>tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or to
    do
    so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles).

    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all >>>>>>this
    "bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well the
    pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are simply >>>>>digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of informed >>>>>opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but actually >>>>>did
    harm at an international level.
    The current plan will have been approved by the current government, >>>>Tony. What would you want to change?
    Not what I referred to. A different topic.

    The Subject is "The Next Pandemic, the plan"
    The plan has been published; Gordon gave the link. Do you have any
    problems with that plan, Tony?
    You are silly. That is not the topic, the topic is too subtle for your brute >forcc mind.
    So now you are trying to avoid the topic in a thread in which you were
    not the op - sorry Tony you cannot have it both ways - Gordon made it
    clear the subject is the plan issued under this Government. It rightly acknowledges the good work done at the height of the Covid-19
    pandemic, and the need for us to be better prepared and to retain
    similar legal provisions in readiness for the possibility of another
    viral pandemic.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 2 03:58:46 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:08:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:38:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:

    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses >>>>>>>or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures >>>>>>>being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise >>>>>>>likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the >>>>>>>New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may >>>>>>>include
    arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially >>>>>>>exposed
    and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at >>>>>>>home)
    or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area
    • restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact >>>>>>>tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or >>>>>>>to
    do
    so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles). >>>>>>>
    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all >>>>>>>this
    "bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well >>>>>>>the
    pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are simply >>>>>>digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of >>>>>>informed
    opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but actually >>>>>>did
    harm at an international level.
    The current plan will have been approved by the current government, >>>>>Tony. What would you want to change?
    Not what I referred to. A different topic.

    The Subject is "The Next Pandemic, the plan"
    The plan has been published; Gordon gave the link. Do you have any >>>problems with that plan, Tony?
    You are silly. That is not the topic, the topic is too subtle for your brute >>forcc mind.
    So now you are trying to avoid the topic in a thread in which you were
    not the op - sorry Tony you cannot have it both ways - Gordon made it
    clear the subject is the plan issued under this Government. It rightly >acknowledges the good work done at the height of the Covid-19
    pandemic, and the need for us to be better prepared and to retain
    similar legal provisions in readiness for the possibility of another
    viral pandemic.
    You are stupid. The title was irony, now please go away and sit in your dunces corner.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 2 22:45:22 2024
    On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:58:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:08:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:38:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:

    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, businesses
    or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures >>>>>>>>being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise >>>>>>>>likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the >>>>>>>>New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may >>>>>>>>include
    arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially >>>>>>>>exposed
    and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or at >>>>>>>>home)
    or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area >>>>>>>>• restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or contact
    tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment
    • requirements for people not to go to work or other public places or >>>>>>>>to
    do
    so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles). >>>>>>>>
    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have all >>>>>>>>this
    "bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how well >>>>>>>>the
    pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are simply >>>>>>>digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of >>>>>>>informed
    opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but actually >>>>>>>did
    harm at an international level.
    The current plan will have been approved by the current government, >>>>>>Tony. What would you want to change?
    Not what I referred to. A different topic.

    The Subject is "The Next Pandemic, the plan"
    The plan has been published; Gordon gave the link. Do you have any >>>>problems with that plan, Tony?
    You are silly. That is not the topic, the topic is too subtle for your brute >>>forcc mind.
    So now you are trying to avoid the topic in a thread in which you were
    not the op - sorry Tony you cannot have it both ways - Gordon made it
    clear the subject is the plan issued under this Government. It rightly >>acknowledges the good work done at the height of the Covid-19
    pandemic, and the need for us to be better prepared and to retain
    similar legal provisions in readiness for the possibility of another
    viral pandemic.
    You are stupid. The title was irony, now please go away and sit in your dunces >corner.

    It is a real plan agreed by our Government for The Next Pandemic.
    Where is the irony, Tony? Have the government got it right? Or Wrong?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 2 20:08:02 2024
    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:58:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:08:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:38:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:

    Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:

    Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/interim_nz_pandemic_plan_v2.pdf

    Head to page 122 and start reading

    Quote

    "Mandatory measures are authorised by statute
    Any action specified in this plan in relation to individuals, >>>>>>>>>businesses
    or other entities that includes the possibility of compulsory measures >>>>>>>>>being taken must be authorised by statute. The action is otherwise >>>>>>>>>likely to be unlawful and, in particular, might be contrary to the >>>>>>>>>New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.

    Mandated measures may include:
    • requirements for people to be tested, screened or vaccinated (may >>>>>>>>>include
    arrivals
    to New Zealand)
    • quarantining or isolating people (ie, supporting those potentially >>>>>>>>>exposed
    and those
    with the disease in a quarantine or treatment/isolation facility (or >>>>>>>>>at
    home)
    or
    prohibiting them from leaving a particular facility/home)
    • restricting the movement of people into or out of an area >>>>>>>>>• restricting travel (within or out of New Zealand)
    • imposing a duty to supply information for risk assessment or >>>>>>>>>contact
    tracing (eg,
    future travel plans or past travel history)
    • requirements for people to undergo preventive treatment >>>>>>>>>• requirements for people not to go to work or other public places >>>>>>>>>or
    to
    do
    so only
    under certain conditions
    • commandeering of resources (eg, land, buildings or vehicles). >>>>>>>>>
    Unquote

    Does this seem like a repeat of 2020?

    The second Royal Commission has not yet got started and yet we have >>>>>>>>>all
    this
    "bias" in place.

    It does seem that we are deemed to repeat history. We all know how >>>>>>>>>well
    the
    pre 2019 plan was thrown away.
    Those that sought and installed the failed mandates last time are >>>>>>>>simply
    digging in. They, however, are ignoring the global groundswell of >>>>>>>>informed
    opinion that says that those mandates were not merely wrong but >>>>>>>>actually
    did
    harm at an international level.
    The current plan will have been approved by the current government, >>>>>>>Tony. What would you want to change?
    Not what I referred to. A different topic.

    The Subject is "The Next Pandemic, the plan"
    The plan has been published; Gordon gave the link. Do you have any >>>>>problems with that plan, Tony?
    You are silly. That is not the topic, the topic is too subtle for your >>>>brute
    forcc mind.
    So now you are trying to avoid the topic in a thread in which you were >>>not the op - sorry Tony you cannot have it both ways - Gordon made it >>>clear the subject is the plan issued under this Government. It rightly >>>acknowledges the good work done at the height of the Covid-19
    pandemic, and the need for us to be better prepared and to retain
    similar legal provisions in readiness for the possibility of another >>>viral pandemic.
    You are stupid. The title was irony, now please go away and sit in your >>dunces
    corner.

    It is a real plan agreed by our Government for The Next Pandemic.
    Where is the irony, Tony? Have the government got it right? Or Wrong?
    The entire OP was actually irony - look it up!

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