https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricityI agree, Gordon, I cannot recall a high voltage transmission Tower
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the
problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
On 20 Jun 2024 02:15:52 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricityI agree, Gordon, I cannot recall a high voltage transmission Tower
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
falling over in the past, but I do know that there were at least in
the past regular assessments of towers, and maintenance as needed.
Usually with any stoppage there are other transmission paths that
will still deliver electricity as well.
If supply is interrupted for a long period there may be some liability
on either Transpower,
but the system is designed so that power costs
go up with any problem - so those more concerned about profits they
are not likely to be significantly affected.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 14:43:59 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>I am sure it has changed significantly - much of our HV transmission
wrote:
On 20 Jun 2024 02:15:52 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree, Gordon, I cannot recall a high voltage transmission Towerhttps://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
falling over in the past, but I do know that there were at least in
the past regular assessments of towers, and maintenance as needed.
As Transpower is an State-Owned-Enterprise (SOE) this should not have
changed much since it was formed.
Thanks - I had not picked up that a 110KV line was out for plannedUsually with any stoppage there are other transmission paths thatNot to Northland - there never has. Although the outage covers a
will still deliver electricity as well.
large physical area it affects just 100,000 customers. There was
220KV and a 110KV lines available but this provides only partial
redundancy in that the 110KV line cannot supply the whole region. If
I read the news coverage today correctly, it is the 220KV line that
failed and the 110KV line was out under planned maintenance.
If supply is interrupted for a long period there may be some liability
on either Transpower,
This is not as straightforward as it seems. The two lines companies
affected are Top Energy and Northpower. Top Energy has commissioned >geothermal generators at their Ngawha site, but apparently the way the
output has been configured to feed the Transpower grid, it cannot be
used in these circumstances. The advertised capability at Ngawha is
to supply a load typical of 35,000 customers (roughly what Top Energy >supplies) so perhaps Top Energy are unable to ensure that if Top
Energy are isolated from the Transpower grid then Ngawha may be loaded
with more than just the Top Energy network.
As a Top Energy customer, I expect that generating capacity it owns
should be usable in the event that Top Energy can no longer access the >Transpower grid.
but the system is designed so that power costs
go up with any problem - so those more concerned about profits they
are not likely to be significantly affected.
What twaddle. Every retail supplier to Northland has lost revenue
with this outage, as has Northpower and Top Energy. The failure is
with a monopoly SOE.
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the
problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the
problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Bad maintenance practice I would assume. Why were the base holding
bolts all out? If it had been vandalism the crews would have seen
the bolts removed when they arrived or the tower would have fallen
earlier.
On 2024-06-21, Mutley <[email protected]> wrote:I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yes, this cause has occured to me since posting. They were giving the base a >preperation for some new coating and it was so much less hassle to just >remove all the bolts while this was done.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Bad maintenance practice I would assume. Why were the base holding
bolts all out? If it had been vandalism the crews would have seen
the bolts removed when they arrived or the tower would have fallen
earlier.
Propably the method of doing the recoating was in some manual but not read
or understood the crew. Lack of training alonf with human nature was the >underlying cause.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >speculation at this stage?
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news
article reports it?
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news
article reports it?
Bill.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:That was not done, however you have no business complaining because you are our newsgroup's serial defamer.
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news
article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind.
So do we know the truth - not
necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a
journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news
article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not
necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a
journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:19:27 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>At no point in this thread did BR state an opinion of what the cause was. So why do you keep lying about what people write?
wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
Well it has now been confirmed that the workers removed bolts on three
of the four legs - sufficient to say that the rumour was substantially >correct; that the protestations that spreading rumours was unhelpful
was perhaps a little naive, and that mainstream media acted
responsibly. BR has not explained where he heard of the cause of the
pylon falling . . .
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:19:27 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>what do you base that belief?
Well it has now been confirmed that the workers removed bolts on three
of the four legs - sufficient to say that the rumour was substantially >>correct; that the protestations that spreading rumours was unhelpful
was perhaps a little naive, and that mainstream media acted
responsibly. BR has not explained where he heard of the cause of the
pylon falling . . .
Come on Rich anyone who saw the pixs on the news that nite could see
that the nuts had been removed. The transpower CEO was just
bullshiting when she said that they have to do a detailed
investigation and sighing possible sabotage .
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:19:27 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
Well it has now been confirmed that the workers removed bolts on three
of the four legs - sufficient to say that the rumour was substantially >correct; that the protestations that spreading rumours was unhelpful
was perhaps a little naive, and that mainstream media acted
responsibly. BR has not explained where he heard of the cause of the
pylon falling . . .
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:15:54 +1200, Mutley <[email protected]>My bet is leprechauns, or a pissed off taniwha.
wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:19:27 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems >>>>to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear >>>>to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>>here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>>necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold - >>>>and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology >>>>if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>>what do you base that belief?
Well it has now been confirmed that the workers removed bolts on three
of the four legs - sufficient to say that the rumour was substantially >>>correct; that the protestations that spreading rumours was unhelpful
was perhaps a little naive, and that mainstream media acted
responsibly. BR has not explained where he heard of the cause of the >>>pylon falling . . .
Come on Rich anyone who saw the pixs on the news that nite could see
that the nuts had been removed. The transpower CEO was just
bullshiting when she said that they have to do a detailed
investigation and sighing possible sabotage .
Initial reports did not mention workers - the bolts may have been
removed by someone else.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:15:54 +1200, Mutley <[email protected]>
wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:19:27 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems >>>>to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear >>>>to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>>here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>>necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold - >>>>and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology >>>>if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>>what do you base that belief?
Well it has now been confirmed that the workers removed bolts on three
of the four legs - sufficient to say that the rumour was substantially >>>correct; that the protestations that spreading rumours was unhelpful
was perhaps a little naive, and that mainstream media acted
responsibly. BR has not explained where he heard of the cause of the >>>pylon falling . . .
Come on Rich anyone who saw the pixs on the news that nite could see
that the nuts had been removed. The transpower CEO was just
bullshiting when she said that they have to do a detailed
investigation and sighing possible sabotage .
Initial reports did not mention workers
- the bolts may have been
removed by someone else.
crew fully unbolting two pylons (out of 4) from the concrete platform
they are bolted to. Incompetence beyond what you'd think possible.
Was it a trainee crew? Unqualified? Everyone involved in unbolting
both pylons, and whoever hired those people, should all be sacked.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:26:11 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>Unbelievable as it sounds, it seems it was caused by a maintenanceA reasonable hypothesis. It is worth remembering that the lateral pressure on the lines caused by just gentle winds can be significant, there is a reason that the pylons are so strongly built and anchored.
crew fully unbolting two pylons (out of 4) from the concrete platform
they are bolted to. Incompetence beyond what you'd think possible.
Was it a trainee crew? Unqualified? Everyone involved in unbolting
both pylons, and whoever hired those people, should all be sacked.
Now: "Inconceivable!" >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520400/transpower-reveals-why-pylon-fell-causing-major-northland-outage
"It is unprecedented and inconceivable that so many nuts were removed
at once." -- Transpower CEO
"Inconceivable" is right, but not "unprecedented" -- I'll bet you that
those contractors have been doing this for a while, to where they
became complacent about it. So why did this tower fall now, when they
had not fallen before? Because this tower was not in a straight line
with neighbouring towers, the line direction was turning here, so the
power lines were tugging at the tower in the direction of the turning.
When these idiots unbolted this tower, the lines pulled it over.
Loss of expertise, loss of competence, zero common sense. Giants
built our infrastructure, midgets cannot maintain it. The only way to
keep what we have is meritocracy -- hire based on merit only.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news
article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not
necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a
journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:15:54 +1200, Mutley <[email protected]>
wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:19:27 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems >>>>to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear >>>>to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>>here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>>necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold - >>>>and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology >>>>if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>>what do you base that belief?
Well it has now been confirmed that the workers removed bolts on three
of the four legs - sufficient to say that the rumour was substantially >>>correct; that the protestations that spreading rumours was unhelpful
was perhaps a little naive, and that mainstream media acted
responsibly. BR has not explained where he heard of the cause of the >>>pylon falling . . .
Come on Rich anyone who saw the pixs on the news that nite could see
that the nuts had been removed. The transpower CEO was just
bullshiting when she said that they have to do a detailed
investigation and sighing possible sabotage .
Initial reports did not mention workers - the bolts may have been
removed by someone else.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:19:27 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>what do you base that belief?
Well it has now been confirmed that the workers removed bolts on three
of the four legs - sufficient to say that the rumour was substantially >>correct; that the protestations that spreading rumours was unhelpful
was perhaps a little naive, and that mainstream media acted
responsibly. BR has not explained where he heard of the cause of the
pylon falling . . .
Come on Rich anyone who saw the pixs on the news that nite could see
that the nuts had been removed. The transpower CEO was just
bullshiting when she said that they have to do a detailed
investigation and sighing possible sabotage .
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to
nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not
necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a
journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being removed. >And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to
nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not
necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a
journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being removed. >>And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:I asked a question. Your posts demonstrate that you not only did not
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to
nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems >>>> to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear >>>> to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not
necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a
journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>> what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being removed.
And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:04:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you are a liar, you twist and turn like the snake that you show yourself to be every day.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:I asked a question. Your posts demonstrate that you not only did not
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to
nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems >>>>> to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear >>>>> to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been
firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>>> here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without
proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not
necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a
journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary >>>>> to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold - >>>>> and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology >>>>> if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit
more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>>> what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being >>>>removed.
And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
have an answer, but you tried to criticise on the basis of totally
stupid views of your own . . .
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:29:16 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you want to talk to Gordon, answer him not me!
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:04:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you are a liar, you twist and turn like the snake that you show yourself >>to
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:I asked a question. Your posts demonstrate that you not only did not
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had >>>>>not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>>>> nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems >>>>>>> to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear >>>>>>> to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>>>> firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>>>>> here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>>>> proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>>>>> necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>>>> journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary >>>>>>> to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold - >>>>>>> and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology >>>>>>> if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>>>> more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>>>>> what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being >>>>>>removed.
And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
have an answer, but you tried to criticise on the basis of totally
stupid views of your own . . .
be every day.
You made assumptions and we all know what that leads to, idiocy.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
It appears that the post you are objecting to is my post at 22/6/2024
7:29pm as below:
______________________________________________________________
On 22 Jun 2024 04:52:10 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
Abuse removed. (again!).On 2024-06-21, Mutley <[email protected]> wrote:I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yes, this cause has occured to me since posting. They were giving the base a >>preperation for some new coating and it was so much less hassle to just >>remove all the bolts while this was done.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>>>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Bad maintenance practice I would assume. Why were the base holding
bolts all out? If it had been vandalism the crews would have seen
the bolts removed when they arrived or the tower would have fallen
earlier.
Propably the method of doing the recoating was in some manual but not read >>or understood the crew. Lack of training alonf with human nature was the >>underlying cause.
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >speculation at this stage? >________________________________________________________________
So do tell what assumptions was I making, Tony? All I was doing was
seeking evidence!
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:04:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you are a liar, you twist and turn like the snake that you show yourself to >be every day.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:I asked a question. Your posts demonstrate that you not only did not
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had >>>>not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>>>>speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>>> nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems >>>>>> to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear >>>>>> to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>>> firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>>>> here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>>> proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not
necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>>> journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary >>>>>> to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold - >>>>>> and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology >>>>>> if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>>> more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you
believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>>>> what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being >>>>>removed.
And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
have an answer, but you tried to criticise on the basis of totally
stupid views of your own . . .
You made assumptions and we all know what that leads to, idiocy.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
On 2024-06-21, Mutley <[email protected]> wrote:I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yes, this cause has occured to me since posting. They were giving the base a >preperation for some new coating and it was so much less hassle to just >remove all the bolts while this was done.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Bad maintenance practice I would assume. Why were the base holding
bolts all out? If it had been vandalism the crews would have seen
the bolts removed when they arrived or the tower would have fallen
earlier.
Propably the method of doing the recoating was in some manual but not read
or understood the crew. Lack of training alonf with human nature was the >underlying cause.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Now you are going off topic yet again. You claimed I made assumptions
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:29:16 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you want to talk to Gordon, answer him not me!
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:04:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><[email protected]> wrote:No you are a liar, you twist and turn like the snake that you show yourself >>>to
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:I asked a question. Your posts demonstrate that you not only did not >>>>have an answer, but you tried to criticise on the basis of totally >>>>stupid views of your own . . .
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had >>>>>>not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just
speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>>>>> nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems >>>>>>>> to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear >>>>>>>> to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>>>>> firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>>>>>> here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>>>>> proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>>>>>> necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>>>>> journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary >>>>>>>> to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold - >>>>>>>> and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology >>>>>>>> if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>>>>> more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you >>>>>>>> believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on >>>>>>>> what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being >>>>>>>removed.
And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
be every day.
You made assumptions and we all know what that leads to, idiocy.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
It appears that the post you are objecting to is my post at 22/6/2024 >>7:29pm as below:
______________________________________________________________
On 22 Jun 2024 04:52:10 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
Abuse removed. (again!).
On 2024-06-21, Mutley <[email protected]> wrote:I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yes, this cause has occured to me since posting. They were giving the base a >>>preperation for some new coating and it was so much less hassle to just >>>remove all the bolts while this was done.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>>>>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Bad maintenance practice I would assume. Why were the base holding
bolts all out? If it had been vandalism the crews would have seen
the bolts removed when they arrived or the tower would have fallen
earlier.
Propably the method of doing the recoating was in some manual but not read >>>or understood the crew. Lack of training alonf with human nature was the >>>underlying cause.
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>speculation at this stage? >>________________________________________________________________
So do tell what assumptions was I making, Tony? All I was doing was
seeking evidence!
No you assumed stuff as usual. For instance you made some inane suggestion >about distortion of plates etc. Goddness knows why someone like you would guess
about something they do not even begin to understand but hey that is what you >are.
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 00:39:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyI never mentioned the 22nd of June, I made it clear what I was referring to, the 22nd is your fall back excuse for your lies in this thread.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Now you are going off topic yet again. You claimed I made assumptions
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:29:16 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you want to talk to Gordon, answer him not me!
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:04:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:No you are a liar, you twist and turn like the snake that you show yourself >>>>to
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:I asked a question. Your posts demonstrate that you not only did not >>>>>have an answer, but you tried to criticise on the basis of totally >>>>>stupid views of your own . . .
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had >>>>>>>not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed >>>>>>>>>>>by
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this >>>>>>>>>>>just
speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>>>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>>>>>> nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>>>>>> firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday >>>>>>>>> here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>>>>>> proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>>>>>>> necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>>>>>> journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary >>>>>>>>> to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold - >>>>>>>>> and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology >>>>>>>>> if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>>>>>> more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you >>>>>>>>> believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being >>>>>>>>removed.
And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
be every day.
You made assumptions and we all know what that leads to, idiocy.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
It appears that the post you are objecting to is my post at 22/6/2024 >>>7:29pm as below:
______________________________________________________________
On 22 Jun 2024 04:52:10 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
Abuse removed. (again!).
On 2024-06-21, Mutley <[email protected]> wrote:I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yes, this cause has occured to me since posting. They were giving the base a
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>>>>>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Bad maintenance practice I would assume. Why were the base holding
bolts all out? If it had been vandalism the crews would have seen >>>>> the bolts removed when they arrived or the tower would have fallen
earlier.
preperation for some new coating and it was so much less hassle to just >>>>remove all the bolts while this was done.
Propably the method of doing the recoating was in some manual but not read >>>>or understood the crew. Lack of training alonf with human nature was the >>>>underlying cause.
coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>speculation at this stage? >>>________________________________________________________________
So do tell what assumptions was I making, Tony? All I was doing was >>>seeking evidence!
No you assumed stuff as usual. For instance you made some inane suggestion >>about distortion of plates etc. Goddness knows why someone like you would >>guess
about something they do not even begin to understand but hey that is what you >>are.
when I asked the question back on 22 June - having re-posted that
question, I quite fairly asked you what assumptions I was making -
instead you have drifted off onto other issues. You may apologise,
Tony for your abuse and wrong statements about me.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 00:39:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyI never mentioned the 22nd of June, I made it clear what I was referring to, >the 22nd is your fall back excuse for your lies in this thread.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Now you are going off topic yet again. You claimed I made assumptions
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:29:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><[email protected]> wrote:If you want to talk to Gordon, answer him not me!
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:04:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:No you are a liar, you twist and turn like the snake that you show yourself
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:I asked a question. Your posts demonstrate that you not only did not >>>>>>have an answer, but you tried to criticise on the basis of totally >>>>>>stupid views of your own . . .
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had >>>>>>>>not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed >>>>>>>>>>>>by
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>>>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this >>>>>>>>>>>>just
speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>>>>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>>>>>>> nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>>>>>>> firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>>>>>>> proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>>>>>>>> necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>>>>>>> journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary >>>>>>>>>> to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold -
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>>>>>>> more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . .
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you >>>>>>>>>> believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, on
what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being >>>>>>>>>removed.
And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
to
be every day.
You made assumptions and we all know what that leads to, idiocy.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
It appears that the post you are objecting to is my post at 22/6/2024 >>>>7:29pm as below:
______________________________________________________________
On 22 Jun 2024 04:52:10 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
Abuse removed. (again!).
On 2024-06-21, Mutley <[email protected]> wrote:I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>speculation at this stage? >>>>________________________________________________________________
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yes, this cause has occured to me since posting. They were giving the base a
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>>>>>>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Bad maintenance practice I would assume. Why were the base holding >>>>>> bolts all out? If it had been vandalism the crews would have seen >>>>>> the bolts removed when they arrived or the tower would have fallen >>>>>> earlier.
preperation for some new coating and it was so much less hassle to just >>>>>remove all the bolts while this was done.
Propably the method of doing the recoating was in some manual but not read >>>>>or understood the crew. Lack of training alonf with human nature was the >>>>>underlying cause.
So do tell what assumptions was I making, Tony? All I was doing was >>>>seeking evidence!
No you assumed stuff as usual. For instance you made some inane suggestion >>>about distortion of plates etc. Goddness knows why someone like you would >>>guess
about something they do not even begin to understand but hey that is what you
are.
when I asked the question back on 22 June - having re-posted that
question, I quite fairly asked you what assumptions I was making -
instead you have drifted off onto other issues. You may apologise,
Tony for your abuse and wrong statements about me.
Piss off you childish little loser.
No wrong statements, I have never lied here, and you should apologise for your >very existence.
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 03:53:12 -0000 (UTC), TonyTo you, anybody who disagrees with you is a twit. However, all of us know better, much better than you.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 00:39:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyI never mentioned the 22nd of June, I made it clear what I was referring to, >>the 22nd is your fall back excuse for your lies in this thread.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Now you are going off topic yet again. You claimed I made assumptions >>>when I asked the question back on 22 June - having re-posted that >>>question, I quite fairly asked you what assumptions I was making - >>>instead you have drifted off onto other issues. You may apologise,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:29:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:If you want to talk to Gordon, answer him not me!
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:04:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:No you are a liar, you twist and turn like the snake that you show >>>>>>yourself
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:I asked a question. Your posts demonstrate that you not only did not >>>>>>>have an answer, but you tried to criticise on the basis of totally >>>>>>>stupid views of your own . . .
On 26 Jun 2024 01:01:24 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Yeah just another Rich twist and turn. You were wrong.
On 2024-06-22, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:At the time I asked for any reports other than on social media I had >>>>>>>>>not seen any news reports. There have now been plenty.
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 06:36:16 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:21:58 +1200, Rich80105 >>>>>>>>>>>><[email protected]>
wrote:
.
I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were >>>>>>>>>>>>>removed
by
the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this >>>>>>>>>>>>>just
speculation at this stage?
Why would you believe something just because a journalist or a news >>>>>>>>>>>>article reports it?
Bill.
Because at present it appears to be mere speculation by a poster to >>>>>>>>>>> nz.general. Either it is true, or it is not, but currently there >>>>>>>>>>>seems
to be no way to tell. Certainly photographs of the pylon do not >>>>>>>>>>>appear
to have the extent of distortion we may expect if it had still been >>>>>>>>>>> firmly bolted to a ground pad - I posted a link to a photo >>>>>>>>>>>yesterday
here:
https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1803977755081732194
But to malign workers for what would have been a stupid act without >>>>>>>>>>> proof is more than a little unkind. So do we know the truth - not >>>>>>>>>>> necessarily all the truth, but a truth that is not likely to see a >>>>>>>>>>> journalist accused of offending against publishing material contrary
to journalist standards that their publisher has promised to uphold >>>>>>>>>>>-
and can be sued, or fined, or at least required to publish an >>>>>>>>>>>apology
if they have got it wrong. Shall we say I'd like see evidence a bit >>>>>>>>>>> more credible than a single post to a usenet group . . . >>>>>>>>>>>
What makes you believe some things and not others, Bill? Do you >>>>>>>>>>> believe that the bolts were removed by the maintenance crew? If so, >>>>>>>>>>>on
what do you base that belief?
Rich old chap. The Stuff article made comment about three nuts being >>>>>>>>>>removed.
And then went on to say that the workers were compentent.
to
be every day.
You made assumptions and we all know what that leads to, idiocy.
Also that the required procedures where not followed.
It appears that the post you are objecting to is my post at 22/6/2024 >>>>>7:29pm as below:
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On 22 Jun 2024 04:52:10 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
Abuse removed. (again!).
On 2024-06-21, Mutley <[email protected]> wrote:I haven't seen any journalist reporting that the bolts were removed by >>>>>the Maintenance crew, or any reference to preparation for a new >>>>>coating. Has there been a news article covering these, or is this just >>>>>speculation at this stage? >>>>>________________________________________________________________
Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Yes, this cause has occured to me since posting. They were giving the >>>>>>base a
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350308986/live-fallen-transpower-tower-leaves-much-northland-without-electricity
Interesting to know if vandalism or poor upkeep was the cause of the >>>>>>>>problem. Not a thing that happens every day.
Bad maintenance practice I would assume. Why were the base holding >>>>>>> bolts all out? If it had been vandalism the crews would have seen >>>>>>> the bolts removed when they arrived or the tower would have fallen >>>>>>> earlier.
preperation for some new coating and it was so much less hassle to just >>>>>>remove all the bolts while this was done.
Propably the method of doing the recoating was in some manual but not read
or understood the crew. Lack of training alonf with human nature was the >>>>>>underlying cause.
So do tell what assumptions was I making, Tony? All I was doing was >>>>>seeking evidence!
No you assumed stuff as usual. For instance you made some inane suggestion >>>>about distortion of plates etc. Goddness knows why someone like you would >>>>guess
about something they do not even begin to understand but hey that is what >>>>you
are.
Tony for your abuse and wrong statements about me.
Piss off you childish little loser.
No wrong statements, I have never lied here, and you should apologise for >>your
very existence.
Now you are denying your own posts - but for all the wrong reasons.
You may be trying to be a defender of your beliefs, but you come
across as an obnoxious ignorant twit.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:26:11 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>Unbelievable as it sounds, it seems it was caused by a maintenance
crew fully unbolting two pylons (out of 4) from the concrete platform
they are bolted to. Incompetence beyond what you'd think possible.
Was it a trainee crew? Unqualified? Everyone involved in unbolting
both pylons, and whoever hired those people, should all be sacked.
Now: "Inconceivable!" >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520400/transpower-reveals-why-pylon-fell-causing-major-northland-outage
"It is unprecedented and inconceivable that so many nuts were removed
at once." -- Transpower CEO
"Inconceivable" is right, but not "unprecedented" -- I'll bet you that
those contractors have been doing this for a while, to where they
became complacent about it. So why did this tower fall now, when they
had not fallen before? Because this tower was not in a straight line
with neighbouring towers, the line direction was turning here, so the
power lines were tugging at the tower in the direction of the turning.
When these idiots unbolted this tower, the lines pulled it over.
Loss of expertise, loss of competence, zero common sense. Giants
built our infrastructure, midgets cannot maintain it. The only way to
keep what we have is meritocracy -- hire based on merit only.
Now everything I said is shown to be true: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523833/northland-power-outage-inexperienced-worker-removed-too-many-nuts-on-pylonThe item that I heard on RNZ stated clearly that there was inadequate supervision - but we do know that Christopher Luxon was not there so
However the article avoids the topic of the complete idiocy of the
2-man crew (required to be 3-man), and pretends that documentation
needs to be improved. Undoubtedly the document writer did not
anticipate that people totally bereft of competence or common sense
would ever be doing this work. Should they add a section saying: "If
you are a total nitwit, read the following..."?
99.9% likely DEI hires, guaranteed not a white man within a country
mile. That topic not touched on by the article, of course, as no one
is more bereft of competence & common sense than a journalist.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:26:11 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>Unbelievable as it sounds, it seems it was caused by a maintenance
crew fully unbolting two pylons (out of 4) from the concrete platform >>>they are bolted to. Incompetence beyond what you'd think possible.
Was it a trainee crew? Unqualified? Everyone involved in unbolting
both pylons, and whoever hired those people, should all be sacked.
Now: "Inconceivable!" >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520400/transpower-reveals-why-pylon-fell-causing-major-northland-outage
"It is unprecedented and inconceivable that so many nuts were removed
at once." -- Transpower CEO
"Inconceivable" is right, but not "unprecedented" -- I'll bet you that >>those contractors have been doing this for a while, to where they
became complacent about it. So why did this tower fall now, when they
had not fallen before? Because this tower was not in a straight line
with neighbouring towers, the line direction was turning here, so the
power lines were tugging at the tower in the direction of the turning.
When these idiots unbolted this tower, the lines pulled it over.
Loss of expertise, loss of competence, zero common sense. Giants
built our infrastructure, midgets cannot maintain it. The only way to
keep what we have is meritocracy -- hire based on merit only.
Now everything I said is shown to be true: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523833/northland-power-outage-inexperienced-worker-removed-too-many-nuts-on-pylon
However the article avoids the topic of the complete idiocy of the
2-man crew (required to be 3-man), and pretends that documentation
needs to be improved. Undoubtedly the document writer did not
anticipate that people totally bereft of competence or common sense
would ever be doing this work. Should they add a section saying: "If
you are a total nitwit, read the following..."?
99.9% likely DEI hires, guaranteed not a white man within a country
mile. That topic not touched on by the article, of course, as no one
is more bereft of competence & common sense than a journalist.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:26:11 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>Unbelievable as it sounds, it seems it was caused by a maintenance
crew fully unbolting two pylons (out of 4) from the concrete platform >>>they are bolted to. Incompetence beyond what you'd think possible.
Was it a trainee crew? Unqualified? Everyone involved in unbolting
both pylons, and whoever hired those people, should all be sacked.
Now: "Inconceivable!" >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520400/transpower-reveals-why-pylon-fell-causing-major-northland-outage
"It is unprecedented and inconceivable that so many nuts were removed
at once." -- Transpower CEO
"Inconceivable" is right, but not "unprecedented" -- I'll bet you that >>those contractors have been doing this for a while, to where they
became complacent about it. So why did this tower fall now, when they
had not fallen before? Because this tower was not in a straight line
with neighbouring towers, the line direction was turning here, so the
power lines were tugging at the tower in the direction of the turning.
When these idiots unbolted this tower, the lines pulled it over.
Loss of expertise, loss of competence, zero common sense. Giants
built our infrastructure, midgets cannot maintain it. The only way to
keep what we have is meritocracy -- hire based on merit only.
On Thu, 01 Aug 2024 01:38:54 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:Pathetic sarcasm - all you have!
Now everything I said is shown to be true: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523833/northland-power-outage-inexperienced-worker-removed-too-many-nuts-on-pylonThe item that I heard on RNZ stated clearly that there was inadequate >supervision - but we do know that Christopher Luxon was not there so
However the article avoids the topic of the complete idiocy of the
2-man crew (required to be 3-man), and pretends that documentation
needs to be improved. Undoubtedly the document writer did not
anticipate that people totally bereft of competence or common sense
would ever be doing this work. Should they add a section saying: "If
you are a total nitwit, read the following..."?
any suggestion that he was responsible would be a lie.
99.9% likely DEI hires, guaranteed not a white man within a country
mile. That topic not touched on by the article, of course, as no one
is more bereft of competence & common sense than a journalist.
I have not seen that suggestion anywhere, Willy Nilly - do you have
any evidence of that assertion?
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:26:11 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>Unbelievable as it sounds, it seems it was caused by a maintenance
crew fully unbolting two pylons (out of 4) from the concrete platform >>>>they are bolted to. Incompetence beyond what you'd think possible.
Was it a trainee crew? Unqualified? Everyone involved in unbolting >>>>both pylons, and whoever hired those people, should all be sacked.
Now: "Inconceivable!" >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520400/transpower-reveals-why-pylon-fell-causing-major-northland-outage
"It is unprecedented and inconceivable that so many nuts were removed
at once." -- Transpower CEO
"Inconceivable" is right, but not "unprecedented" -- I'll bet you that >>>those contractors have been doing this for a while, to where they
became complacent about it. So why did this tower fall now, when they >>>had not fallen before? Because this tower was not in a straight line >>>with neighbouring towers, the line direction was turning here, so the >>>power lines were tugging at the tower in the direction of the turning. >>>When these idiots unbolted this tower, the lines pulled it over.
Loss of expertise, loss of competence, zero common sense. Giants
built our infrastructure, midgets cannot maintain it. The only way to >>>keep what we have is meritocracy -- hire based on merit only.
On Thu, 01 Aug 2024 01:38:54 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:
Now everything I said is shown to be true: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/523833/northland-power-outage-inexperienced-worker-removed-too-many-nuts-on-pylonThe item that I heard on RNZ stated clearly that there was inadequate >supervision - but we do know that Christopher Luxon was not there so
However the article avoids the topic of the complete idiocy of the
2-man crew (required to be 3-man), and pretends that documentation
needs to be improved. Undoubtedly the document writer did not
anticipate that people totally bereft of competence or common sense
would ever be doing this work. Should they add a section saying: "If
you are a total nitwit, read the following..."?
any suggestion that he was responsible would be a lie.
99.9% likely DEI hires, guaranteed not a white man within a country
mile. That topic not touched on by the article, of course, as no one
is more bereft of competence & common sense than a journalist.
I have not seen that suggestion anywhere, Willy Nilly - do you have
any evidence of that assertion?
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:26:11 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>Unbelievable as it sounds, it seems it was caused by a maintenance
crew fully unbolting two pylons (out of 4) from the concrete platform >>>>they are bolted to. Incompetence beyond what you'd think possible.
Was it a trainee crew? Unqualified? Everyone involved in unbolting >>>>both pylons, and whoever hired those people, should all be sacked.
Now: "Inconceivable!" >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/520400/transpower-reveals-why-pylon-fell-causing-major-northland-outage
"It is unprecedented and inconceivable that so many nuts were removed
at once." -- Transpower CEO
"Inconceivable" is right, but not "unprecedented" -- I'll bet you that >>>those contractors have been doing this for a while, to where they
became complacent about it. So why did this tower fall now, when they >>>had not fallen before? Because this tower was not in a straight line >>>with neighbouring towers, the line direction was turning here, so the >>>power lines were tugging at the tower in the direction of the turning. >>>When these idiots unbolted this tower, the lines pulled it over.
Loss of expertise, loss of competence, zero common sense. Giants
built our infrastructure, midgets cannot maintain it. The only way to >>>keep what we have is meritocracy -- hire based on merit only.
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