Another action of the Government to restore the status quo prior to
the removal of provisions for a referendum on Maori wards.
The restoration of democratic rights that will be opposed by Maori
interests as they have become accustomed to limitation of non-Maori
rights.
Crash <[email protected]d> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-progresses-m%C4%81ori-wards-legislationIt is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more
Another action of the Government to restore the status quo prior to
the removal of provisions for a referendum on Maori wards.
The restoration of democratic rights that will be opposed by Maori >>interests as they have become accustomed to limitation of non-Maori
rights.
Courts are hardly democratic - they adjudicate on whether laws haveExcellent news. I suspect there will be some application made to the courts >over this by those that believe they should have more rights than others.
At least that is the democratic place to air their claims.
On Thu, 23 May 2024 21:03:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
Crash <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-progresses-m%C4%81ori-wards-legislationIt is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Another action of the Government to restore the status quo prior to
the removal of provisions for a referendum on Maori wards.
The restoration of democratic rights that will be opposed by Maori >>>interests as they have become accustomed to limitation of non-Maori >>>rights.
This government is all
about limiting the powers of local authorities - and also increasing
taxation through rates rather than income tax - suddenly all those
NatACT candidates for local councils have to stop saying that they
will "Keep Rates Down." Forcing referendums is just making it more
expensive to create Maori Wards - just part of the casual racism of
NatAct . . .
Courts are hardly democratic - they adjudicate on whether laws haveExcellent news. I suspect there will be some application made to the courts >>over this by those that believe they should have more rights than others. >>At least that is the democratic place to air their claims.
been breached; even a jury trial has both sides of a case able to
object to individual people volunteering to be jurors. It is Central >Government that has more rights than Local Authorities.
On Thu, 23 May 2024 21:03:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyNonsense. The government is setting out to abolish the undemocratic rules set by the last government, And so thsy must.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Crash <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-progresses-m%C4%81ori-wards-legislationIt is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >difficult for them to establish Maori Wards. This government is all
Another action of the Government to restore the status quo prior to
the removal of provisions for a referendum on Maori wards.
The restoration of democratic rights that will be opposed by Maori >>>interests as they have become accustomed to limitation of non-Maori >>>rights.
about limiting the powers of local authorities - and also increasing
taxation through rates rather than income tax - suddenly all those
NatACT candidates for local councils have to stop saying that they
will "Keep Rates Down." Forcing referendums is just making it more
expensive to create Maori Wards - just part of the casual racism of
NatAct . . .
Courts aare democratic in the way they work but you of course have to twist that. Do go away little man.Courts are hardly democratic - they adjudicate on whether laws haveExcellent news. I suspect there will be some application made to the courts >>over this by those that believe they should have more rights than others. >>At least that is the democratic place to air their claims.
been breached; even a jury trial has both sides of a case able to
object to individual people volunteering to be jurors. It is Central >Government that has more rights than Local Authorities.
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:
No more than Maori seats in Parliament. Members of most major partiesIt is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
Bill.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
Members of most major parties
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by
electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates. If a Council created a Maori Ward without a
referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got it
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
Bill.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:Hoist by your own petard. Excellent, an admission that Maori wards and Maori seta are racist.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
Members of most major partiesThe racism is entirely in your mind and that of the opposition.
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by
electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates. If a Council created a Maori Ward without a
referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got it
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
Bill.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 20:00:57 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>No - and no-one has shown that they are racist.
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
So you agree that Maori seats in Parliament is racist.
Look at the Subject of the Thread . . .Members of most major parties
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by
electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates.
What has this got to do with Maori Wards?
If a Council created a Maori Ward without aImpractical. The Maori ward remains regardless of elected Councilors. >Representation on a Council is far more significant that any other
referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
issue because it affects the democratic election of councilors.
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got itIt was a stated policy NZF and is in the coalition agreement between
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
NZF and National.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
NZF may well fail to be re-elected to Parliament, but it is nothing to
do with racism.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 20:00:57 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>No, they were introduced for good reasons in the early days of
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
OK, so can we agree that both Maori wards and the Maori seats in
parliament are racist?
I suspect that if the parties of the Right were not so visibly racistMembers of most major parties
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by
electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates. If a Council created a Maori Ward without a >>referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got it
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
What has any of that got to do with whether or not Maori wards are
racist?
Bill.
Bill.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
Members of most major parties
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by
electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates.
If a Council created a Maori Ward without a
referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got it
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody has shown any evidence that they are racist. I do not believe
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:Hoist by your own petard. Excellent, an admission that Maori wards and Maori >seta are racist.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>wrote:No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
Members of most major partiesThe racism is entirely in your mind and that of the opposition.
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by
electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates. If a Council created a Maori Ward without a >>referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got it
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
Bill.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 21:30:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody has shown any evidence that they are racist. I do not believe
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:Hoist by your own petard. Excellent, an admission that Maori wards and Maori >>seta are racist.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
that they are. It does however highlight that the authoritarian
ACTNat1st government is not prepared to leave local decisions to local >Councils
Members of most major partiesThe racism is entirely in your mind and that of the opposition.
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by >>>electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates. If a Council created a Maori Ward without a >>>referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got it
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
Bill.
On Sat, 25 May 2024 09:24:50 +1200, Crash <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2024 20:00:57 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>wrote:No - and no-one has shown that they are racist.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
So you agree that Maori seats in Parliament is racist.
Look at the Subject of the Thread . . .Members of most major parties
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by >>>electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates.
What has this got to do with Maori Wards?
If a Council created a Maori Ward without aImpractical. The Maori ward remains regardless of elected Councilors. >>Representation on a Council is far more significant that any other
referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
issue because it affects the democratic election of councilors.
The Government is making sure that local authorities have to spend
money on a referendum to create Maori wards, even if they were
previously agreed by a Council and it is known that very few oppose
them.
Not only are the Government overriding local democratically
elected Councils, they are doing this at a time when they are also
pushing huge costs for water services on to Councils - that is being
pushed by the parties that want more costs to be met by user charges
and rates than by income taxes - there has also been talk of
increasing GST to enable the top tax rate to be reduced. So much for
leaving local decisions for local councils . . . Yet more misleading >rhetoric before the election . . .
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got itIt was a stated policy NZF and is in the coalition agreement between
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
NZF and National.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
NZF may well fail to be re-elected to Parliament, but it is nothing to
do with racism.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 21:30:48 -0000 (UTC), TonyBy definition any group chosen by race is a racist construct, Of course they are racist.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody has shown any evidence that they are racist. I do not believe
On Fri, 24 May 2024 18:45:21 +1200, BR <[email protected]> wrote:Hoist by your own petard. Excellent, an admission that Maori wards and Maori >>seta are racist.
On Fri, 24 May 2024 14:38:56 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:No more than Maori seats in Parliament.
It is actually limiting the power of local authorities,making it more >>>>>difficult for them to establish Maori Wards.
Aren't Maori wards racist?
that they are.
It does however highlight that the authoritarianIt does nothing of the sort. That is political rhetoric at best and childish snipes at worst.
ACTNat1st government is not prepared to leave local decisions to local >Councils
Members of most major partiesThe racism is entirely in your mind and that of the opposition.
(I suspect except ACT and the Green Party) have been elected to
represent Maori electorates. Within the allowable variations by >>>electorate, the numbers of voters in each electorate is the same as
for other electorates. If a Council created a Maori Ward without a >>>referendum and that was not wanted by the voters in that local
authority those making that decision would risk not being re-elected -
no different from other important Council decisions.
The reality is that at least one of the Nat/ACT/NZ1st leaders got it
into the Coalition agreement so it must be supported by those parties
- that agreement is being taken as more important than Parliament.
The racism displayed by the coalition parties may be enough to at
least see NZ First disappear at the next election.
Bill.
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