https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/16/health-negotiators-told-to-prioritise-sovereignty-over-stopping-pandemics/

Since the Treaty says that each country retains control over decisions
as to preventative measures such as vaccinations or travel
restrictions, this is a bizarre stance for Winston Peters to take,
other than feeding the conspiracy nutters who do not believe what they
are told . . . or to support the false statements Peters made before
the election to get votes from those crazies . . .

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Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote: >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/16/health-negotiators-told-to-prioritise-sovereignty-over-stopping-pandemics/

Since the Treaty says that each country retains control over decisions
as to preventative measures such as vaccinations or travel
restrictions, this is a bizarre stance for Winston Peters to take,
other than feeding the conspiracy nutters who do not believe what they
are told . . . or to support the false statements Peters made before
the election to get votes from those crazies . . .

Not bizarre, just logical.

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On Thu, 16 May 2024 04:54:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:

Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote: >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/16/health-negotiators-told-to-prioritise-sovereignty-over-stopping-pandemics/

Since the Treaty says that each country retains control over decisions
as to preventative measures such as vaccinations or travel
restrictions, this is a bizarre stance for Winston Peters to take,
other than feeding the conspiracy nutters who do not believe what they
are told . . . or to support the false statements Peters made before
the election to get votes from those crazies . . .

Not bizarre, just logical.

What is logical about arguing for a position that already exists and
is not being disputed?

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On Thu, 16 May 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote: >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/16/health-negotiators-told-to-prioritise-sovereignty-over-stopping-pandemics/

Since the Treaty says that each country retains control over decisions
as to preventative measures such as vaccinations or travel

The only effective way to prevent the next pandemic, is to arrest
those responsible for the last one.

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On Thu, 16 May 2024 22:23:50 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote: >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/16/health-negotiators-told-to-prioritise-sovereignty-over-stopping-pandemics/

Since the Treaty says that each country retains control over decisions
as to preventative measures such as vaccinations or travel

The only effective way to prevent the next pandemic, is to arrest
those responsible for the last one.

The last one (Covid-19) is still going, but the next one may well be
the one that is affecting cattle, said to have come from birds and may
if the world is unlucky move to affect people. Who was responsible for
the Covid pandemic, and how would that prevent the next pandemic? Or
are you concerned that if the next pandemic hits in the next few
months we may still have our current government, who clearly would not
have coped as well with the Covid pandemic as the then government did?

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On Fri, 17 May 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2024 22:23:50 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

The only effective way to prevent the next pandemic, is to arrest
those responsible for the last one.

... Who was responsible for
the Covid pandemic, and how would that prevent the next pandemic?

First thing is to immediately arrest and intern those responsible for
the Wuhan laboratory development of Covid-19. This includes all those Americans responsible for pushing the program and funding it.

Next, all those Health officials who were aware of the true Covid
origins but pretended otherwise while pushing lockdowns etc.

Then, all those who knowingly denied the efficacy of
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin -- both well-known safe and
effective respiratory medicines -- thus preventing effective early
treatment to millions.

The rest of your trolling is ignored.

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 06:14:57 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2024 22:23:50 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

The only effective way to prevent the next pandemic, is to arrest
those responsible for the last one.

... Who was responsible for
the Covid pandemic, and how would that prevent the next pandemic?

First thing is to immediately arrest and intern those responsible for
the Wuhan laboratory development of Covid-19. This includes all those >Americans responsible for pushing the program and funding it.

A bit of a problem with both proof and the ability to prosecute.

Next, all those Health officials who were aware of the true Covid
origins but pretended otherwise while pushing lockdowns etc.

Another bit of a problem with proof as to who knew what, and again the
ability to [prosecute

Then, all those who knowingly denied the efficacy of
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin -- both well-known safe and
effective respiratory medicines -- thus preventing effective early
treatment to millions.

I haven't seen any proof that hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin had
any positive effect on either avoidance of infection or recovery if
infected.

The rest of your trolling is ignored.

Presumably you were not able to identify any trolling, hence your
deletion and avoidance of comment - but it appears you just felt like
trolling yourself.

Can you identify any country that had a better mortality / morbidity
experience through the critical Covid period, Willy?

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 21:49:49 +1200, Rich80105 <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 06:14:57 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2024 22:23:50 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

The only effective way to prevent the next pandemic, is to arrest
those responsible for the last one.

... Who was responsible for
the Covid pandemic, and how would that prevent the next pandemic?

First thing is to immediately arrest and intern those responsible for
the Wuhan laboratory development of Covid-19. This includes all those >>Americans responsible for pushing the program and funding it.

A bit of a problem with both proof and the ability to prosecute.

Next, all those Health officials who were aware of the true Covid
origins but pretended otherwise while pushing lockdowns etc.

Another bit of a problem with proof as to who knew what, and again the >ability to [prosecute

Then, all those who knowingly denied the efficacy of
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin -- both well-known safe and
effective respiratory medicines -- thus preventing effective early >>treatment to millions.

I haven't seen any proof that hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin had
any positive effect on either avoidance of infection or recovery if
infected.

The rest of your trolling is ignored.

Presumably you were not able to identify any trolling, hence your
deletion and avoidance of comment - but it appears you just felt like >trolling yourself.

Can you identify any country that had a better mortality / morbidity >experience through the critical Covid period, Willy?

We need to get more people playing the game:
https://crankyuncle.com/game/

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On Fri, 17 May 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 06:14:57 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

Then, all those who knowingly denied the efficacy of
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin -- both well-known safe and
effective respiratory medicines -- thus preventing effective early >>treatment to millions.

I haven't seen any proof that hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin had
any positive effect on either avoidance of infection or recovery if
infected.

But you don't look, Rich. The old mantra of "see no evil, hear no
evil, speak no evil" has become medical practice since 2020.

Can you identify any country that had a better mortality / morbidity >experience through the critical Covid period, Willy?

The problem, Rich, is that you believe the official data which is all
about covering up the harms, and nothing to do with reporting them.
You are so gullible and naive.

To my list of those who should be prosecuted, I will add those who
prevented the covid vaccine from being monitored for vaccine harm --
perverting all previous practices to keep the public safe. And in the
process, deluding people like you into imagining "safe and effective".


When all these people are prosecuted and convicted, there will
definitely be no futher pandemics. Goal achieved.

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 21:34:41 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 06:14:57 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

Then, all those who knowingly denied the efficacy of
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin -- both well-known safe and
effective respiratory medicines -- thus preventing effective early >>>treatment to millions.

I haven't seen any proof that hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin had
any positive effect on either avoidance of infection or recovery if >>infected.

But you don't look, Rich. The old mantra of "see no evil, hear no
evil, speak no evil" has become medical practice since 2020.

You can do us all a service by pointing out where we should look.
Willy Nilly

Can you identify any country that had a better mortality / morbidity >>experience through the critical Covid period, Willy?

The problem, Rich, is that you believe the official data which is all
about covering up the harms, and nothing to do with reporting them.
You are so gullible and naive.

I would be very interested in the evidence you rely on, Willy - are
you able to let us all know where to get the evidence of what you are
saying?

To my list of those who should be prosecuted, I will add those who
prevented the covid vaccine from being monitored for vaccine harm -- >perverting all previous practices to keep the public safe. And in the >process, deluding people like you into imagining "safe and effective".

But they were monitored, Willy - right from the first vaccine I had I
was told to talk to my doctor if I felt other than the normal mild
discomfort of any injection. All vaccines have some side effects with
some people - early vaccines in particular were known to have bad
reactions in some people - in most cases the effects of sickness or
even death for some people proved to be a lower risk than not
vaccinating - cold comfort for families of those who suffered, but
still far better than not vaccinating a population. You may remember Thalidomide which had unexpected results if taken in pregnancy - those experiences have meant that testing is now much more rigorous than
when vaccines were first being developed.

New Zealand was fortunate that because of our quick lock down we were
able to wait a little longer than some other countries and were able
to choose from a small number of different vaccines based on known
results from use in other countries.

But what evidence do you have that official statistics are not
correct?

When all these people are prosecuted and convicted, there will
definitely be no futher pandemics. Goal achieved.

Which people are those, Willy?



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On Fri, 17 May 2024 06:14:57 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

First thing is to immediately arrest and intern those responsible for
the Wuhan laboratory development of Covid-19.

If it came from Wuhan, why did it spread more in the US than China?

Then, all those who knowingly denied the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine
and ivermectin -- both well-known safe and effective respiratory
medicines ...

None of which saved a single life.

Who were the ones who profited from the bogus “cures”? “Follow the money”,
as they say.

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On Thu, 16 May 2024 22:23:50 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

The only effective way to prevent the next pandemic, is to arrest those responsible for the last one.

The ones who deliberately played down its seriousness, sabotaged health measures designed to slow its spread, and spread false stories about bogus cures and bogus vaccine risks, should definitely be included among that
number.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...

On Fri, 17 May 2024, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 06:14:57 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly) wrote:

Then, all those who knowingly denied the efficacy of
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin -- both well-known safe and
effective respiratory medicines -- thus preventing effective early >>treatment to millions.

I haven't seen any proof that hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin had
any positive effect on either avoidance of infection or recovery if >infected.

But you don't look, Rich. The old mantra of "see no evil, hear no
evil, speak no evil" has become medical practice since 2020.

Can you identify any country that had a better mortality / morbidity >experience through the critical Covid period, Willy?

The problem, Rich, is that you believe the official data which is all
about covering up the harms, and nothing to do with reporting them.
You are so gullible and naive.

What makes you think your sources are better than the official data?

It sounds an awful lot like you are choosing who to believe based on
your existing beliefs rather than based on who is provides the best
evidence.

You believe the true colour of the sky is green so you'll believe anyone
who tells you the sky is green while those officials talking about its
blue colour are part of some nefarious conspiracy out to cause harm for unspecified reasons.

To my list of those who should be prosecuted, I will add those who
prevented the covid vaccine from being monitored for vaccine harm -- perverting all previous practices to keep the public safe. And in the process, deluding people like you into imagining "safe and effective".

When all these people are prosecuted and convicted, there will
definitely be no futher pandemics. Goal achieved.

So your solution to preventing pandemics is pretending they don't exist?

If we had just pretended the Spanish Flu didn't exist it wouldn't have
killed tens of millions?

Or are you asserting that pandemics are always the work of nefarious
cabal and never have natural causes?

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The crazies are out in force in this thread, and I ain't feeding them.

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Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2024 04:54:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<[email protected]> wrote:

Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/16/health-negotiators-told-to-prioritise-sovereignty-over-stopping-pandemics/

Since the Treaty says that each country retains control over decisions
as to preventative measures such as vaccinations or travel
restrictions, this is a bizarre stance for Winston Peters to take,
other than feeding the conspiracy nutters who do not believe what they >>>are told . . . or to support the false statements Peters made before
the election to get votes from those crazies . . .

Not bizarre, just logical.

What is logical about arguing for a position that already exists and
is not being disputed?

Nothing, but that is not the position here.

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