... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things ><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
To be accused is meaningless ...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 01:11:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
To be accused is meaningless ...
On the contrary, somebody in a position of statutory authority needs to be above suspicion.
On 2024-05-02, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:Precisely Gordon - If what Lawrence believes to be true is in fact correct then we are all guilty and none of us can be trusted. That is what i so silly about his argument.
On Thu, 2 May 2024 01:11:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
To be accused is meaningless ...
On the contrary, somebody in a position of statutory authority needs to be >> above suspicion.
Well we had better try and find him/her/or any other pro-noun.
On Thu, 2 May 2024 01:11:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Your statement is plain illogical. Anybody can be accused of anything, that does not mean it is valid. Until there is evidence they are ipso facto above suspicion.
To be accused is meaningless ...
On the contrary, somebody in a position of statutory authority needs to be >above suspicion.
On Thu, 2 May 2024 01:11:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Winston will be absolutely delighted with the Headline - it continues
To be accused is meaningless ...
On the contrary, somebody in a position of statutory authority needs to be >above suspicion.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things ><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more information.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]At the end of the day, it depends on whether defamation occurred or not. That information, while interesting, does not indicate guilt one way or another.
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, so >>far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet": >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister- >christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on- >defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
On Thu, 2 May 2024 01:13:32 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'OliveiroDid he defame the man? Yes or no. OK I will answer for you - you don't know any more than I do.
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On Thu, 2 May 2024 01:11:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Winston will be absolutely delighted with the Headline - it continues
To be accused is meaningless ...
On the contrary, somebody in a position of statutory authority needs to be >>above suspicion.
its bias towards the current government - Peters is of course a very
senior politician as Deputy PM and Foreign Minister, but he has very
seldom been described as a diplomat - he is known for aggression to
anyone that does not agree with him. He is as Foreign Minister usually
fairly good at giving the speeches written for him by Foreign Affairs, >(although apparently his unacknowledged plagiarism of the Gettysburg
Address was apparently his own work), and that has mean that he has
not often previously made the mistakes he has made recently of
threatening current relationships and expressed foreign policy. Too
close an alignment with the USA through a defense agreement that is
seen as "dealing with" potential conflict with China may not be a good
way to risk 27% of our exports ; if we are to make such a major change
from previous policies it would be usual for that to be expressed in
gentler way by the Prime Minister, and the reasons for such a change
signaled to New Zealanders. Out stance on the middle east has been
that of a concerned country that is capable of independent thought,
having humanitarian priorities, and willing to help consensus through
concern about veto powers that aligned us with other small countries
without alienating any of our trading partners.
Under the circumstances a cheap shot art a senior ex-politician from >Australia appears both unnecessary and unproductive. Then abusing that
person is just stupid - he could have gained more by ignoring his
comments; but this is after all Winston - he walks to his own drum,
and we can expect the unexpected from him - the incident emphasises
that he may well only have a short time left in government and there
has been speculation that he will make his mark by breaking the
coalition rather than quietly allow Seymour to become Deputy PM -
being capricious with the role he has been given may mean that the
Prime Minister has to actually lead rather than rely on the coalition >agreements cobbled together without adequate consideration or
consultation with even the MPs from each coalition party.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Thu, 2 May 2024 01:11:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Your statement is plain illogical. Anybody can be accused of anything, that >does not mean it is valid. Until there is evidence they are ipso facto above >suspicion.
To be accused is meaningless ...
On the contrary, somebody in a position of statutory authority needs to be >>above suspicion.
On Thu, 2 May 2024 04:02:20 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, that is your hope because that is the sort of person you are.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Thu, 2 May 2024 01:11:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Your statement is plain illogical. Anybody can be accused of anything, that >>does not mean it is valid. Until there is evidence they are ipso facto above >>suspicion.
To be accused is meaningless ...
On the contrary, somebody in a position of statutory authority needs to be >>>above suspicion.
The evidence is that the news agencies that heard the utterance from
Peters have decided for themselves that his words were sufficiently
clearly either slanderous or insulting that they have were not
prepared to take the risk of action against themselves. Certainly an
empty allegation means little in itself - but now we know that Carr's
lawyer has sent a letter to Winston Peters. We can expect that it will
be significantly more serious than a Green MP crossing the floor of >parliament to talk to another MP.
It is also clear that Peters, and possibly also Luxon and Seymour,Nonsense - that makes no sense, not unusual however.
have decided among themselves to take New Zealand away from our
previous independent but loosely aligned international stance -
without discussion or possibly even consideration of the potential >considerable risks to our country.
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, so >>far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more >> information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet": >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister- >christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on- >defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.htmlAt the end of the day, it depends on whether defamation occurred or not. That information, while interesting, does not indicate guilt one way or another.
I look forward to innocent until proven guilty processes here.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]Winston Peters is one of a kind - we all have our opinions of him but he is what he is.
says...
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]At the end of the day, it depends on whether defamation occurred or not. >>That
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things
To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court
action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, >> >>so
far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more >> >> information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
information, while interesting, does not indicate guilt one way or another. >> I look forward to innocent until proven guilty processes here.
Even if a court decides its not defamation, its still not exactly a
great look for our top diplomat to be saying such things in such a
public way.
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >says...
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]At the end of the day, it depends on whether defamation occurred or not. >>That
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things
To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >> >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, >> >>so
far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
information, while interesting, does not indicate guilt one way or another.
I look forward to innocent until proven guilty processes here.
Even if a court decides its not defamation, its still not exactly aWinston Peters is one of a kind - we all have our opinions of him but he is what he is.
great look for our top diplomat to be saying such things in such a
public way.
However, hopefully you will note that I did not say that what he has said is appropriate, you will note that I have not defended him.
That was not and is not the point of my post.
In article <part1of1.1.huy$[email protected]>, [email protected]Yes I agree with all of that.
says...
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]Winston Peters is one of a kind - we all have our opinions of him but he is >> what he is.
says...
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]At the end of the day, it depends on whether defamation occurred or not. >> >>That
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things
To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >> >> >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters -
well,
so
far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have >> >> >>more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
information, while interesting, does not indicate guilt one way or
another.
I look forward to innocent until proven guilty processes here.
Even if a court decides its not defamation, its still not exactly a
great look for our top diplomat to be saying such things in such a
public way.
However, hopefully you will note that I did not say that what he has said is >> appropriate, you will note that I have not defended him.
That was not and is not the point of my post.
Indeed I did note that. It will be interesting to see if it actually
goes to court - seems like a bit of a waste of time and money. If Mr.
Carr doesn't like what was said I can't imagine drawing a whole lot more >attention to it improving the situation much.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet": >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister- >christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on- >defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more >> information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet": >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister- >christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on- >defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >says...That's Winston for you.
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court
action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, >> >>so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more >> >> information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >national radio.
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:Most people agree with you, David. Whether it is defamatory can be
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>says...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >>> >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, >>> >>so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >>national radio.
That's Winston for you.You are yet again off topic, Tony.
Perhaps some would prefer the lies that the previous two PMs told us all. Or >the underhand attempt to destroy our democracy that the last government played >with.
Give me honest, if undiplomatic, Winston over those halfwits any day.
On Sun, 5 May 2024 04:42:40 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, absolutely on topic. This is about Winston, not your delusions.
<[email protected]> wrote:
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:Most people agree with you, David. Whether it is defamatory can be
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>says...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>> >says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things
To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >>>> >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, >>>> >>so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have >>>> >>more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >>>national radio.
left to Mr Carr as to whether he takes the case to court, to Winston
Peters as to whether he settles before trial by apologising, or if it
goes to court it will be determined on the facts by the Court system. Meanwhile no harm done. So why do you persist with this triviality?
That's Winston for you.You are yet again off topic, Tony.
Perhaps some would prefer the lies that the previous two PMs told us all. Or >>the underhand attempt to destroy our democracy that the last government >>played
with.
Give me honest, if undiplomatic, Winston over those halfwits any day.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >says...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have more >> >> information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >national radio.
On Sun, 5 May 2024 16:01:12 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>says...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >>> >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, >>> >>so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have
more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >>national radio.
"Diplomacy is to do and say,
The nastiest thing in the nicest way." - Isaac Goldberg.
If he is a Chinese puppet, why shouldn't he be called out on it?
On Sun, 5 May 2024 19:07:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be such a pathetic fool. I have far more understanding of diplomacy than you ever will have. This is not and never was a diplomatic issue, many outspoken senior government ministers around the world are outspoken, and only twits like you become snotty nosed when such people speak their minds. But only when they are not left wing of course, eh?
<[email protected]> wrote:
BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 5 May 2024 16:01:12 +1200, David GoodwinIndeed yes, why not?
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>>says...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>>> >says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things
To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >>>>> >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - >>>>> >>well,
so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have >>>>> >>more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet": >>>>> >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >>>>national radio.
"Diplomacy is to do and say,
The nastiest thing in the nicest way." - Isaac Goldberg.
If he is a Chinese puppet, why shouldn't he be called out on it?
Some people will use any trivial excuse to push their politics.
Clearly you, and in this case Winston Peters, either have no
understanding of Diplomacy, or alternatively put your personal
political views ahead of common sense and New Zealand's interests.
BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 5 May 2024 16:01:12 +1200, David GoodwinIndeed yes, why not?
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>says...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>> >says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic thingsTo be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.
<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court >>>> >>action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest.
You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - well, >>>> >>so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have >>>> >>more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet":
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >>>national radio.
"Diplomacy is to do and say,
The nastiest thing in the nicest way." - Isaac Goldberg.
If he is a Chinese puppet, why shouldn't he be called out on it?
Some people will use any trivial excuse to push their politics.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:So you thinks insults may make up for a lack of thinking about the
On Sun, 5 May 2024 19:07:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be such a pathetic fool. I have far more understanding of diplomacy than >you ever will have. This is not and never was a diplomatic issue, many >outspoken senior government ministers around the world are outspoken, and only >twits like you become snotty nosed when such people speak their minds. But only
<[email protected]> wrote:
BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 5 May 2024 16:01:12 +1200, David Goodwin >>>><[email protected]> wrote:Indeed yes, why not?
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>>>says...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>>>> >says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things
To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any court
action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest. >>>>>> >> You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - >>>>>> >>well,
so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have >>>>>> >>more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet": >>>>>> >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister-
christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on-
defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >>>>>national radio.
"Diplomacy is to do and say,
The nastiest thing in the nicest way." - Isaac Goldberg.
If he is a Chinese puppet, why shouldn't he be called out on it?
Some people will use any trivial excuse to push their politics.
Clearly you, and in this case Winston Peters, either have no
understanding of Diplomacy, or alternatively put your personal
political views ahead of common sense and New Zealand's interests.
when they are not left wing of course, eh?
As for New Zealand interests, you have nevr put that at a higher priority than >your own personal outdated beliefs, have you?
On Mon, 6 May 2024 01:10:09 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you cretin, I don't support insults bu ministers. Winston either told the truth or he didn't. If it is the truth it is by definition not an insult - OK, can you comprehend that far from subtle assistance?
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:So you thinks insults may make up for a lack of thinking about the
On Sun, 5 May 2024 19:07:02 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be such a pathetic fool. I have far more understanding of diplomacy >>than
<[email protected]> wrote:
BR <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 5 May 2024 16:01:12 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:Indeed yes, why not?
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>>>>says...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 22:58:45 +1200, David Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>>>>> >says...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
... to be accused of saying such undiplomatic things
To be accused is meaningless and is ionitself no problem.<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/aukus-ward-bob-carr-says-he-will-take-legal-action-against-winston-peters/MURTZLWCAFF2BNMUZ2ICKUNZ3M/>.
When we see what was actually said and what is the result of any >>>>>>> >>court
action,
then and only then does it become of more than passing interest. >>>>>>> >> You and Hipkins slavishly lap this up as if it actually matters - >>>>>>> >>well,
so far
it doesn't matter - an intelligent person would wait until they have >>>>>>> >>more
information.
Apparently he called Mr. Carr "nothing more than a Chinese puppet": >>>>>>> >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/05/prime-minister- >>>>>>> >christopher-luxon-defends-winston-peters-as-he-doubles-down-on- >>>>>>> >defamatory-comments-confirms-no-legal-action-taken.html
What if he is a Chinese pupplet?
Whether he is or not, its still not a very diplomatic thing to say on >>>>>>national radio.
"Diplomacy is to do and say,
The nastiest thing in the nicest way." - Isaac Goldberg.
If he is a Chinese puppet, why shouldn't he be called out on it?
Some people will use any trivial excuse to push their politics.
Clearly you, and in this case Winston Peters, either have no >>>understanding of Diplomacy, or alternatively put your personal
political views ahead of common sense and New Zealand's interests.
you ever will have. This is not and never was a diplomatic issue, many >>outspoken senior government ministers around the world are outspoken, and >>only
twits like you become snotty nosed when such people speak their minds. But >>only
when they are not left wing of course, eh?
As for New Zealand interests, you have nevr put that at a higher priority >>than
your own personal outdated beliefs, have you?
issues
. . well yet again you are wrong; all you are doing is blindlyNo I am correct, you are a politically driven cretinm.
supporting a politician - try addressing the issue, Tony.
To help you: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/515850/winston-peters-comments-about-former-australian-minister-unstatesmanlike-labourPathetic repetitive slurs.
Anybody can be accused of anything ...
On Thu, 2 May 2024 04:02:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Anybody can be accused of anything ...
Depends on whether the accusation is credible or not. The facts of what he >said in this case are not beyond dispute.
On Tue, 14 May 2024 00:46:02 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><[email protected]d> wrote:You are the hero worshipper, you worship Marx.
On Thu, 2 May 2024 04:02:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Anybody can be accused of anything ...
Depends on whether the accusation is credible or not. The facts of what he >>said in this case are not beyond dispute.
And the unnecessary offence it caused does confirm that Peter's is not
a diplomat, and that he does at times appear to be deliberately
offensive. The thread was just a bit of hero-worship for belligerant >nastiness from Tony.
On Thu, 2 May 2024 04:02:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Wrong - what you resoonded to is absolute logic and beyond your ability to attack.
Anybody can be accused of anything ...
Depends on whether the accusation is credible or not. The facts of what he >said in this case are not beyond dispute.
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