It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budgetIt is you that is desperate - do try harder and you might actually find something to criticise the government for - instead of petty political points.
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
and >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budget
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
and https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like these? : https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budgetThanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
and
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like these? : >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budgetThanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago,
Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new
one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for
around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:53:09 -0000 (UTC), TonyBehind a pay wall but, as we would expect, nothing to do with tax cuts, Start a new thread.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like this, Tony? >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/budget-2024-government-accidentally-reveals-it-is-considering-axing-6b-infrastructure-plan/GQDNF7ZZQZBYBGJC73ZCX3DTRI/
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like these? : >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budgetThanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago, >>>Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new >>>one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6 >>>months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for >>>around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something approaching >>20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like this, Tony? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/budget-2024-government-accidentally-reveals-it-is-considering-axing-6b-infrastructure-plan/GQDNF7ZZQZBYBGJC73ZCX3DTRI/
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like these? : >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budgetThanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago, >>Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new
one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for >>around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something approaching >20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political dogma. >The balance is being redressed.
On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 01:10:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs you have demonstrated - you were off topic. Start a new thread.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:It is about cutting provision for another natural disaster similar to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:53:09 -0000 (UTC), TonyBehind a pay wall but, as we would expect, nothing to do with tax cuts, Start >>a
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like this, Tony? >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/budget-2024-government-accidentally-reveals-it-is-considering-axing-6b-infrastructure-plan/GQDNF7ZZQZBYBGJC73ZCX3DTRI/
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like these? : >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budgetThanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand - >>>>>Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago, >>>>>Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new >>>>>one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6 >>>>>months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for >>>>>around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more >>>>>than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something >>>>approaching
20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>>>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
new thread.
the storms and floods in Auckland and Gisborne - in effect it was
reserves to enable immediate spending when the next disaster happens;
but naturally National would rather take risks and not keep reserves;
tax cuts are that important to them . . .
Take a look at the Subject again, Tony - "Cutting spending for tax
cuts"
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like these? : >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budgetThanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago, >Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new
one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for >around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something approaching 20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:It is about cutting provision for another natural disaster similar to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:53:09 -0000 (UTC), TonyBehind a pay wall but, as we would expect, nothing to do with tax cuts, Start a
<[email protected]> wrote:
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like this, Tony? >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/budget-2024-government-accidentally-reveals-it-is-considering-axing-6b-infrastructure-plan/GQDNF7ZZQZBYBGJC73ZCX3DTRI/
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:Like these? : >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budgetThanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand - >>>>Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago, >>>>Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new >>>>one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6 >>>>months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for >>>>around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more >>>>than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something approaching
20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
new thread.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]Labour governments always increase the public service numbers; as for evidence - opinions are allowed you know.
says...
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budget
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
Like these? :Thanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago,
Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new
one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for
around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something >>approaching
20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
Do we know for a fact the increase was not justified? Were the extra
people sitting around playing solitare? Or was the work they were doing
not needed for some reason? It seems unreasonable to me to throw around
such claims without at least some evidence/proof.
If there was a fall in the number of contractors employed and amount ofNeither of which happened, based on the claims made by the government at the time. They blamed Covid and said that the number of consultants needed to remain the same. Can't find the source of that but it was well publicised. The population did not grow by anywhere near that level during those years, I doubt it was 5%.
work outsourced to consulting firms then I'd think the increase is
justified. I'd also expect the number of public servants to in general
grow at a slimiar rate to the overall population in order to at least >maintain the same standard of service.
I'd also expect the number of public servants to in general
grow at a slimiar rate to the overall population in order to at
least maintain the same standard of service.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budget
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
Like these? :Thanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago,
Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new
one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for
around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something >>approaching
20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
Do we know for a fact the increase was not justified? Were the extra
people sitting around playing solitare? Or was the work they were doing
not needed for some reason? It seems unreasonable to me to throw around
such claims without at least some evidence/proof.
If there was a fall in the number of contractors employed and amount of
work outsourced to consulting firms then I'd think the increase is
justified. I'd also expect the number of public servants to in general
grow at a slimiar rate to the overall population in order to at least >maintain the same standard of service.
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>says...
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budget
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
Like these? :Thanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago,
Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new
one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for
around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something >>>approaching
20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
Do we know for a fact the increase was not justified? Were the extra
people sitting around playing solitare? Or was the work they were doing
not needed for some reason? It seems unreasonable to me to throw around >>such claims without at least some evidence/proof.
If there was a fall in the number of contractors employed and amount of >>work outsourced to consulting firms then I'd think the increase is >>justified. I'd also expect the number of public servants to in general
grow at a slimiar rate to the overall population in order to at least >>maintain the same standard of service.
You might read this from the Taxpayers Union who (as usual) are trying to hold >the government (Yes, this government) to task. The facts are beyond debate. >"Misinformation on public service �cuts� continues ?? ??
Speaking of belt tightening, the reporting on the Government�s Public Service >�cuts� through Wellington-tinted lenses continues to be one-sided.
From the wilful misinterpretation of back-office savings as �stabbing at the >heart of front-line� to the unquestioning regurgitation of public sector union
talking points, most of the reporting on the Public Service reductions fails to
put the savings in context.
Let�s be very clear � it�s not nice to lose your job and most of these public >servants are in this position through no fault of their own.
But let�s get the story straight.
The Government�s �cuts� to the bureaucracy are not drastic. In, fact, they are >small fry when compared with the astronomical staffing increases we saw under >six years of Labour.
??Mr Luxon is miles off his pre-election promise to cut 14,000 bureaucrats?? >And the Government knows it. In the run up to the election, Christopher Luxon >and National were banging on about how we had seen very little in return for an
extra 14,000 (now 18,000) bureaucrats since 2017.
�We�re spending a billion more each and every week, when you think we�ve added >14,000 more bureaucrats to Wellington and yet on the economy, on health, on >housing, on crime and on education everything is going backwards, the outcomes >are going backwards.� (Luxon 2022)
But on current plans Luxon isn�t dismissing anywhere near that.
In fact, on current projections, the Public Service won�t event be stripped >back beyond what it was at the election back in October.
The Government was elected to take a chainsaw to the bloated back-office >bureaucracy. Instead, the Mr Luxon�s barely applied a bonsai pruner.
Sack the Bureaucratic
If you agree that Luxon needs to stick to his promise and sack the 14,000 extra
bureaucrats that were hired under Labour�s last minute hiring bonanza, take 30 >seconds to sign our petition calling on the Government to go further and faster
with their staffing reductions to cut the waste and balance the books."
On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 19:46:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyHorseshit - tha taxpayers union has always played fair - you hate that don't you.
<[email protected]> wrote:
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>says...
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budget
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
Like these? :Thanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago,
Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new >>>> >one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for >>>> >around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something >>>>approaching
20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>>>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
Do we know for a fact the increase was not justified? Were the extra >>>people sitting around playing solitare? Or was the work they were doing >>>not needed for some reason? It seems unreasonable to me to throw around >>>such claims without at least some evidence/proof.
If there was a fall in the number of contractors employed and amount of >>>work outsourced to consulting firms then I'd think the increase is >>>justified. I'd also expect the number of public servants to in general >>>grow at a slimiar rate to the overall population in order to at least >>>maintain the same standard of service.
You might read this from the Taxpayers Union who (as usual) are trying to >>hold
the government (Yes, this government) to task. The facts are beyond debate. >>"Misinformation on public service �cuts� continues ?? ??
Speaking of belt tightening, the reporting on the Government�s Public Service >>�cuts� through Wellington-tinted lenses continues to be one-sided.
From the wilful misinterpretation of back-office savings as �stabbing at the >>heart of front-line� to the unquestioning regurgitation of public sector >>union
talking points, most of the reporting on the Public Service reductions fails >>to
put the savings in context.
Let�s be very clear � it�s not nice to lose your job and most of these public >>servants are in this position through no fault of their own.
But let�s get the story straight.
The Government�s �cuts� to the bureaucracy are not drastic. In, fact, they >>are
small fry when compared with the astronomical staffing increases we saw under >>six years of Labour.
??Mr Luxon is miles off his pre-election promise to cut 14,000 bureaucrats?? >>And the Government knows it. In the run up to the election, Christopher Luxon >>and National were banging on about how we had seen very little in return for >>an
extra 14,000 (now 18,000) bureaucrats since 2017.
�We�re spending a billion more each and every week, when you think we�ve >>added
14,000 more bureaucrats to Wellington and yet on the economy, on health, on >>housing, on crime and on education everything is going backwards, the >>outcomes
are going backwards.� (Luxon 2022)
But on current plans Luxon isn�t dismissing anywhere near that.
In fact, on current projections, the Public Service won�t event be stripped >>back beyond what it was at the election back in October.
The Government was elected to take a chainsaw to the bloated back-office >>bureaucracy. Instead, the Mr Luxon�s barely applied a bonsai pruner.
Sack the Bureaucratic
If you agree that Luxon needs to stick to his promise and sack the 14,000 >>extra
bureaucrats that were hired under Labour�s last minute hiring bonanza, take >>30
seconds to sign our petition calling on the Government to go further and >>faster
with their staffing reductions to cut the waste and balance the books."
Thanks for that, Tony. I don't normally read the NZ Taxpayer Union
website, or their various other websites. It is a clever ploy by them
to pretend to be "holding the government to task" - when they are
defining and at times funding those "tasks". That organisation is of
course largely on the side of ACT in the coalition - they will always
want the government to make decisions that are further to the right
than the coalition is comfortable with, but they also have the stick
of funding to back them up. Many are asking who the real government
is? It was notable that Luxon felt he could sack two (National Party) >Ministers for stuff-ups, but could not get rid of an NZ First Minister
who withheld information about over $40 billion of benefits in not
sticking to the bizarre smoking policy they conned Luxon into
supporting. Even more embarrassing, the Conservative government in the
UK have now adopted the policy that National rejected. To be clear,
this is an ACT / NZ First / national government, and the NZ Taxpayer
Union's financial muscle counts for a lot in the ability of that weak >coalition to deviate from Atlas Network policies.
This is government by a minority, with National too weak to haveNope - they were elected by a majority - and you hate that even more.
principles . . .
On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 07:18:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyFactually I am correct, and my word don't you hate that? Every Labour government has increased the public service far more than any other government.
<[email protected]> wrote:
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:I note your opinion - factually you are of course wrong but your are
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>>says...Labour governments always increase the public service numbers; as for >>evidence
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budget
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
Like these? :Thanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago,
Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new >>>> >one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for >>>> >around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something >>>>approaching
20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>>>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
Do we know for a fact the increase was not justified? Were the extra >>>people sitting around playing solitare? Or was the work they were doing >>>not needed for some reason? It seems unreasonable to me to throw around >>>such claims without at least some evidence/proof.
- opinions are allowed you know.
entitled to opinions that contradict fact.
I am sure that a small number have, sneaky some of these employees of ours aren't they?I gather that the use of external consultants - at least in someIf there was a fall in the number of contractors employed and amount of >>>work outsourced to consulting firms then I'd think the increase is >>>justified. I'd also expect the number of public servants to in general >>>grow at a slimiar rate to the overall population in order to at least >>>maintain the same standard of service.
departments - has increased since Luxon became Prime Minister . . .
A relatively tiny number compared to those that have nothing to do with Covid - Covid was an excuse.Neither of which happened, based on the claims made by the government at the >>time. They blamed Covid and said that the number of consultants needed to >>remain the same. Can't find the source of that but it was well publicised.I don't recall that. Certainly the number of people required under
Covid increased significantly - for vaccinations, for hospitals, for
police, and for security of isolation locations (largely related to >international travel).
No guess - fact.The population did not grow by anywhere near that level during those years, I >>doubt
it was 5%.
Your uninformed guess is noted.
David Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:I note your opinion - factually you are of course wrong but your are
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] >>says...Labour governments always increase the public service numbers; as for evidence >- opinions are allowed you know.
Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2024 22:50:39 GMT, Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:Balance is a concept you studiously (or ignorantly) ignore.
On 2024-04-23, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
It appears that NAct1st are getting desperate - with the budget
deadline looming, they must still be short - today we have:
andhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018935491/they-can-stick-their-tax-cuts-cancer-patient
Like these? :Thanks to the Labour Governments efforts while in power.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514998/existing-roads-could-be-tolled-officials-tell-transport-minister-simeon-brown
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/24/leaked-document-reveals-millions-of-dollars-of-cuts-at-te-whatu-ora/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctors-strike-2500-te-whatu-ora-health-new-zealand-employees-to-strike-after-pay-offer-rejected/SDD3YIPAPBC4HPQQFNYRDKS6ZY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bay-of-plenty-pathlab-strike-senior-worker-hits-out-over-pay/PQZZV2V5KNA3JDWYTE2IFKBYLM/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doctor-and-dentist-strike-employment-relations-authority-asked-to-step-in-over-senior-doctor-pay-dispute/AJPXOMDRWNFPBEGFT2TSI7JEYM/
Meanwhile, some private hospitals are finding the money to expand -
Bowen Hospital in Wellington opened a new section a few months ago,
Wakefield Hospital is replacing an old building with a much larger new
one . . .
Currently the waiting list for a hip replacement varies from about 6
months to over a year - more are being done in private hospitals - for
around $30,000 in total which it will surprise some to know is more
than many people can afford . . .
The last government increased public servant numbers by something >>>approaching
20%, almost none of it justified, almost all of it because of political >>>dogma.
The balance is being redressed.
Do we know for a fact the increase was not justified? Were the extra
people sitting around playing solitare? Or was the work they were doing
not needed for some reason? It seems unreasonable to me to throw around >>such claims without at least some evidence/proof.
I gather that the use of external consultants - at least in someIf there was a fall in the number of contractors employed and amount of >>work outsourced to consulting firms then I'd think the increase is >>justified. I'd also expect the number of public servants to in general
grow at a slimiar rate to the overall population in order to at least >>maintain the same standard of service.
Neither of which happened, based on the claims made by the government at the >time. They blamed Covid and said that the number of consultants needed to >remain the same. Can't find the source of that but it was well publicised.I don't recall that. Certainly the number of people required under
The population did not grow by anywhere near that level during those years, I doubt
it was 5%.
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