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  • Why the Secrecy of the Special Votes?

    From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 03:43:17 2023
    What I don't understand is, why do the special votes not get published
    daily? By now they must have 98% of them, so why not give the running
    tally? Maybe it would be too much of a media-fest, or politicians
    getting brain-overloaded with it all. I could be persuaded that it is
    better to keep it a secret until Friday's announcement, but is this
    covered by a regulation? Or is it just what they feel like doing.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 17:30:09 2023
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 03:43:17 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:

    What I don't understand is, why do the special votes not get published
    daily? By now they must have 98% of them, so why not give the running
    tally? Maybe it would be too much of a media-fest, or politicians
    getting brain-overloaded with it all. I could be persuaded that it is
    better to keep it a secret until Friday's announcement, but is this
    covered by a regulation? Or is it just what they feel like doing.


    What is being one is far more than just counting special votes. The
    time frame is I have been told quite consistent with previous
    elections.

    It takes time for some overseas votes to arrive in New Zealand, but
    there are teams in quite a few places around New Zealand looking at
    voted for local electorates. They will have received votes cast
    anywhere in New Zealand, plus overseas. There may be votes from people
    not on the roll where eligibility must be checked. They will check
    for people voting more than once - that must require a master list to
    be checked against. They will check the count for every electorate
    (quick counts on election night are not always 100% accurate). There
    will be scrutineers to look at unclear ballots - that is a well
    practiced process that rarely causes problems, but it may take time.

    Then there will be calculations - I presume by computer - that goes
    through the well-established processes required to meet legal
    requirements for allocation of party votes.

    It is a fairly standard process, but it does take time. Usually the
    results are not quite as close and it is easier to just get on with
    things, but I doubt Winston is keen on trying to agree much until he
    knows those results.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 31 05:56:41 2023
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 03:43:17 GMT, ... Willy Nilly wrote:
    What I don't understand is, why do the special votes not get published >>daily? By now they must have 98% of them, so why not give the running >>tally? ...

    What is being one is far more than just counting special votes. The
    time frame is I have been told quite consistent with previous
    elections.
    <more irrelevant stuff>

    Gee whiz, Rich, if you're gonna type all that stuff, can't you at
    least try to answer the actual question? I asked why they don't just
    give us daily updates of the vote total so far, day by day, and you
    answered everything *except* the question asked. So you wasted my
    time too, searching your answer for something relevant.

    Have the covid shots drained your brain of comprehension skills? Get
    better soon.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 19:02:17 2023
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 05:56:41 GMT, [email protected] (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:

    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 03:43:17 GMT, ... Willy Nilly wrote:
    What I don't understand is, why do the special votes not get published >>>daily? By now they must have 98% of them, so why not give the running >>>tally? ...

    What is being one is far more than just counting special votes. The
    time frame is I have been told quite consistent with previous
    elections.
    <more irrelevant stuff>

    Gee whiz, Rich, if you're gonna type all that stuff, can't you at
    least try to answer the actual question? I asked why they don't just
    give us daily updates of the vote total so far, day by day, and you
    answered everything *except* the question asked. So you wasted my
    time too, searching your answer for something relevant.

    Have the covid shots drained your brain of comprehension skills? Get
    better soon.

    If you think about the processes they are going through, there is no
    meaningful ability to provide results daily. The parties that have
    scrutineers may have an idea for their local electorates, but numbers
    for a particular candidate may in theory go up or down as the process
    proceeds. For the party vote, they may still be finding votes that
    have to be excluded (eg voting twice). 3 November is getting fairly
    close though; they may well have finished or nearly finalised
    electorate seats, but the calculation for list MPs needs all votes
    finalised. That was all in what you call irrelevant stuff - but
    perhaps you never had comprehension skills to start with . . .

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Oct 31 07:59:57 2023
    On 2023-10-31, Willy Nilly <[email protected]> wrote:
    What I don't understand is, why do the special votes not get published
    daily? By now they must have 98% of them, so why not give the running
    tally? Maybe it would be too much of a media-fest, or politicians
    getting brain-overloaded with it all.

    There is some element of truth in this. Remember that we are counting the
    votes again to get the total, as in final votes. The people are happy with
    the final figures 21 days later after the election nights results which
    shows the indication, and the conceeding as necessary.

    I could be persuaded that it is
    better to keep it a secret until Friday's announcement, but is this
    covered by a regulation? Or is it just what they feel like doing.


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