Hi

A long time ago, more than 20 years I think, there were free web based newsreaders. You could keep track of which comments were new, which you
had read and which remained unread between sessions. All that changed
pretty quickly and those functions became proprietary. Even until a few
years ago, this has been the case, though recently I installed Knode and noticed that it was possible to view "threads with new". So I'm wondering
if anybody else can fill me in on how much of a come back these functions
are making, since when and where.

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ernobe wrote:

[...] recently I installed Knode and
noticed that it was possible to view "threads with new". So I'm wondering
if anybody else can fill me in on how much of a come back these functions
are making, since when and where.

For Usenet? Nearly all NNTP-based newsreaders (that are locally
installed on the client) should provide such features.

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Michael B�uerle wrote:

ernobe wrote:

[...] recently I installed Knode and
noticed that it was possible to view "threads with new". So I'm
wondering if anybody else can fill me in on how much of a come back these
functions are making, since when and where.

For Usenet? Nearly all NNTP-based newsreaders (that are locally
installed on the client) should provide such features.

By "between sessions" I meant that articles which were marked new or unread remained so marked (unless of course you read them) even after the next download from the server. My experience with a lot of newsreaders,
including slrn, is that at the next download the marks on new articles disappear and are replaced with marks on new articles from that download.
This makes it hard for a newcomer to a group to get a sense of where the discussion is mostly occurring and where it is heading. And if I remember correctly, even the highly configurable slrn could not distinguish new
articles from unread ones. In other words, unless you marked all articles
read before the next download, you couldn't distinguish which were the
newest articles.

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On Sun, 07 Aug 2022 14:00:26 -0600, ernobe wrote:

Michael B�uerle wrote:

ernobe wrote:

[...] recently I installed Knode and
noticed that it was possible to view "threads with new". So I'm
wondering if anybody else can fill me in on how much of a come back these >>> functions are making, since when and where.

For Usenet? Nearly all NNTP-based newsreaders (that are locally
installed on the client) should provide such features.

By "between sessions" I meant that articles which were marked new or unread remained so marked (unless of course you read them) even after the next download from the server.

To answer the question for 40tude Dialog:

It is nearing 20 years, that the author of 40tude Dialog has been abandoned
his program. Nevertheless, it still is one of the best Usenet readers for
text groups. - Not least, because it is highly configurable.

You can define for all groups using default settings, and separately for any group if you like, whether unread messages should be marked read when either retrieving new message headers or the bodies of the messages. And you can define views to show only unread messages or threads containing at least one unread message.

If you want to give 40tude Dialog a try, be prepared to use the program in combination with a SSL/TLS proxy like sTunnel (for contemporary transport encryption methods), though.

Bernd

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On 2022-08-07, ernobe wrote:

Michael Bäuerle wrote:

ernobe wrote:

[...] recently I installed Knode and
noticed that it was possible to view "threads with new". So I'm
wondering if anybody else can fill me in on how much of a come back these >>> functions are making, since when and where.

For Usenet? Nearly all NNTP-based newsreaders (that are locally
installed on the client) should provide such features.

By "between sessions" I meant that articles which were marked new or unread remained so marked (unless of course you read them) even after the next download from the server. My experience with a lot of newsreaders,
including slrn, is that at the next download the marks on new articles disappear and are replaced with marks on new articles from that download.

I don't think a released version of slrn has ever existed that worked
liked that. If it was the same with multiple clients, it must have been
a misconfigured newsserver, or your newsrc* was getting removed.

Nobody would use a client that worked like that. I can't think of any
that do!

Tavis.

[*] The name of this file varies depending on reader, it tracks what
you've read.

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Tavis Ormandy wrote:

On 2022-08-07, ernobe wrote:

Michael B�uerle wrote:

ernobe wrote:

[...] recently I installed Knode and
noticed that it was possible to view "threads with new". So I'm
wondering if anybody else can fill me in on how much of a come back
these functions are making, since when and where.

For Usenet? Nearly all NNTP-based newsreaders (that are locally
installed on the client) should provide such features.

By "between sessions" I meant that articles which were marked new or
unread remained so marked (unless of course you read them) even after the
next
download from the server. My experience with a lot of newsreaders,
including slrn, is that at the next download the marks on new articles
disappear and are replaced with marks on new articles from that download.

I don't think a released version of slrn has ever existed that worked
liked that. If it was the same with multiple clients, it must have been
a misconfigured newsserver, or your newsrc* was getting removed.

Nobody would use a client that worked like that. I can't think of any
that do!

Coming to think of it, what I said is not true of downloads within the same session, but rather of downloads in separate sessions. In other words, if
you exit slrn and relaunch it, those marks on the newest articles
disappear. Can we agree on that?

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ernobe wrote:

Coming to think of it, what I said is not true of downloads within the same session, but rather of downloads in separate sessions. In other words, if you exit slrn and relaunch it, those marks on the newest articles
disappear. Can we agree on that?

nope.

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ernobe wrote:

A long time ago, more than 20 years I think, there were free web based newsreaders.

check newsportal out

https://gitlab.com/yamo-nntp/newsportal/-/blob/master/README.org

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issdr wrote:

ernobe wrote:

A long time ago, more than 20 years I think, there were free web based
newsreaders.

check newsportal out

https://gitlab.com/yamo-nntp/newsportal/-/blob/master/README.org

Thanks, but it depends on PHP, which on Debian SID is version 8.1, and newsportal only supports up to 7.3 (which is Debian Buster). PHP would be
hard if not impossible to install on SID in a downgraded version.

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Hi,
ernobe a écrit :

Thanks, but it depends on PHP, which on Debian SID is version 8.1, and newsportal only supports up to 7.3 (which is Debian Buster). PHP would be hard if not impossible to install on SID in a downgraded version.

It should work on PHP 8 but I haven't test it.
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Stéphane

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ernobe wrote:

Thanks, but it depends on PHP, which on Debian SID is version 8.1, and newsportal only supports up to 7.3 (which is Debian Buster). PHP would be hard if not impossible to install on SID in a downgraded version.

true, a lot has changed on major version switch (i read constructors,
not a detail). you could try it on another machine, even offsite.

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