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    From U.ee@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 13 17:22:22 2021
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    Hello!


    There has been over year from last time I posted some maps. So I think
    some update is nice.
    This time I used 90 days worth of posts from all groups from my server,
    so 12. august to 10. november.

    First, generic view, based on paths in my server: http://usenet.ee/maps/2021/graph-n-20211010.png

    Done with neato from Graphviz. This time cleanup was surprisingly easy,
    I found only few patterns, that needed aggregation. Those were IP or
    some hash based, probably client identifiers.

    Little bit different view, same data: http://usenet.ee/maps/2021/graph-t-20211010.png

    That was done with twopi from Graphviz.

    If you want PDF version, replace png in url with pdf.

    Lastly, those graphs are pretty messy and hard to read. I tried
    different filters, but for that amount data Graphviz don't seem good
    solution.
    For making more readable picture I looked TOP25 from Anthologeek TOP1000
    and made map purely for those sites and their relations:

    http://usenet.ee/maps/2021/graph-top25-n-20211010.png


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    Best regards
    U.ee

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to U.ee on Sat Nov 13 18:41:40 2021
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    On 13/11/2021 15:22, U.ee wrote:


    First, generic view, based on paths in my server: http://usenet.ee/maps/2021/graph-n-20211010.png


    The map includes "news.mozilla.org" which has died some time ago (officially!!). I haven't checked other names but if it contains "news.albasani.net" then it too has died.

    Can you create a revised map that are free to use without signing in! I
    hate using Neo-Nazi and Mussolini servers because they are a bunch of
    pedos who should be arrested, jailed and key thrown away.


    --
    Windows-10: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-10>
    Windows-8: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-8>
    Windows-7: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.windows7.general>
    Windows XP: <news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
    Windows-XP: <news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
    Firefox: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.firefox> Thunderbird: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.thunderbird>

    Google Groups: <https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/11/2021 15:22, U.ee wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:smol7e$2rdk$[email protected]"><br>
    <br>
    First, generic view, based on paths in my server: <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://usenet.ee/maps/2021/graph-n-20211010.png">http://usenet.ee/maps/2021/graph-n-20211010.png</a> <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p>The map includes "news.mozilla.org" which has died some time ago
    (officially!!). I haven't checked other names but if it contains
    "news.albasani.net" then it too has died.</p>
    <p>Can you create a revised map that are free to use without signing
    in! I hate using Neo-Nazi and Mussolini servers because they are a
    bunch of pedos who should be arrested, jailed and key thrown away.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
    Windows-10: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-10">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-10&gt;</a>
    Windows-8: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-8">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-8&gt;</a>
    Windows-7: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.windows7.general">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.windows7.general&gt;</a>
    Windows XP: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&gt;</a>
    Windows-XP: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&gt;</a>
    Firefox: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.firefox">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.firefox&gt;</a>
    Thunderbird: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.thunderbird">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.thunderbird&gt;</a>

    Google Groups: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general">&lt;https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&gt;</a></pre>
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  • From jdd@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 13 19:43:15 2021
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    Le 13/11/2021 à 16:22, U.ee a écrit :
    Hello!


    There has been over year from last time I posted some maps. So I think
    some update is nice.
    This time I used 90 days worth of posts from all groups from my server,
    so 12. august to 10. november.

    thanks, that's a web :-))

    jdd
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    http://valeriedodin.com

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBCZXR0ZXIgR3V5IPCfm@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 13 21:59:10 2021
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    🤥 Good Guy 🤥 wrote:

    The map includes "news.mozilla.org" which has died some time ago (officially!!).


    Forgive 🤥 Good Guy 🤥, whose level of comprehension is low.

    There are new posts today to unmoderated newsgroups on "news.mozilla.org".
    What has officially died is the Mozilla mailing lists.

    When the Mozilla mailing lists died, no more posts could be accepted in moderated newsgroups on "news.mozilla.org". Posts to unmoderated
    newsgroups continue today.

    The news server "news.mozilla.org" will only die when Giganews turns it
    off. Giganews has not yet done that.



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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">🤥 ₢ood Guy 🤥 wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:smp0vo$155$[email protected]">
    <p>The map includes "news.mozilla.org" which has died some time
    ago (officially!!).<br>
    </p>
    </blockquote>
    <hr> <br>
    <p>Forgive 🤥 ₢ood Guy 🤥, whose level of comprehension is low. </p>
    <p>There are new posts today to unmoderated newsgroups on
    "news.mozilla.org". What has officially died is the Mozilla
    mailing lists. </p>
    <p>When the Mozilla mailing lists died, no more posts could be
    accepted in moderated newsgroups on "news.mozilla.org". Posts to
    unmoderated newsgroups continue today. </p>
    <p>The news server "news.mozilla.org" will only die when Giganews
    turns it off. Giganews has not yet done that. </p>
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  • From 711 Spooky Mart@21:1/5 to U.ee on Mon Nov 15 00:41:31 2021
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 11/13/21 9:22 AM, U.ee wrote:
    [...]

    Done with neato from Graphviz. This time cleanup was surprisingly easy,
     I found only few patterns, that needed aggregation. Those were IP or
    some hash based, probably client identifiers.

    [...] GraphViz is handy.

    Lastly, those graphs are pretty messy and hard to read. I tried
    different filters, but for that amount data Graphviz don't seem good

    [...]

    CmapTools has a great auto-layout generator. You can set it to use
    curvy splines instead of straight lines. I don't know if it can import
    .dot files from graphviz.

    DotToXML can be used to convert .dot files to GraphML for yEd graph editor.

    Maybe one of these would be less onerous for generating prettier output.

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    ──┏━━━━┓──┏━━┓───┏━━┓── ┌────────────────────────┐ ┌────────┐
    ──┗━━┓─┃──┗┓─┃───┗┓─┃── │ Spooky Mart [chan] 711 │ │ always │
    ─────┃─┃──┏┛─┗┓──┏┛─┗┓─ │ https://bitmessage.org │ │ open │
    ─────┗━┛──┗━━━┛──┗━━━┛─ └────────────────────────┘ └────────┘

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  • From U.ee@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 16 18:38:31 2021
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    On 15.11.21 08:41, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
    On 11/13/21 9:22 AM, U.ee wrote:
    [...]

    Done with neato from Graphviz. This time cleanup was surprisingly easy,
     I found only few patterns, that needed aggregation. Those were IP or
    some hash based, probably client identifiers.

    [...] GraphViz is handy.

    Lastly, those graphs are pretty messy and hard to read. I tried
    different filters, but for that amount data Graphviz don't seem good

    [...]

    CmapTools has a great auto-layout generator. You can set it to use
    curvy splines instead of straight lines. I don't know if it can import
    .dot files from graphviz.

    DotToXML can be used to convert .dot files to GraphML for yEd graph editor.

    Maybe one of these would be less onerous for generating prettier output.


    I think that amount nodes and connecting lines are better presented in
    3D. Little bit more space can help in 2D, but there is still lots of
    crossing lines.
    Thanks for those suggestions!

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    U.ee

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  • From U.ee@21:1/5 to jdd on Tue Nov 16 20:06:58 2021
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 13.11.21 20:43, jdd wrote:
    Le 13/11/2021 à 16:22, U.ee a écrit :
    Hello!


    There has been over year from last time I posted some maps. So I think
    some update is nice.
    This time I used 90 days worth of posts from all groups from my server,
    so 12. august to 10. november.

    thanks, that's a web :-))

    Thanks for checking! Interestingly, my dataset has 516 nodes. I did not
    compare that list directly to top1000, but additionally to those nodes
    I aggregated out (like fidonet) seems like current top1000 contains old nonfunctional servers, like goblin.stu.neva.ru. Maybe someone opened
    some old temporarily down peering and got lot of old news.

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    U.ee

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  • From Martin Burmester@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 16 20:28:15 2021
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    Hi,

    Am 16.11.2021 um 17:38 schrieb U.ee:
    On 15.11.21 08:41, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
    On 11/13/21 9:22 AM, U.ee wrote:
    [...]

    Done with neato from Graphviz. This time cleanup was surprisingly easy,
      I found only few patterns, that needed aggregation. Those were IP or >>> some hash based, probably client identifiers.

    [...] GraphViz is handy.

    Lastly, those graphs are pretty messy and hard to read. I tried
    different filters, but for that amount data Graphviz don't seem good

    [...]

    CmapTools has a great auto-layout generator. You can set it to use
    curvy splines instead of straight lines. I don't know if it can import
    .dot files from graphviz.

    DotToXML can be used to convert .dot files to GraphML for yEd graph
    editor.

    Maybe one of these would be less onerous for generating prettier output.


    I think that amount nodes and connecting lines are better presented in
    3D. Little bit more space can help in 2D, but there is still lots of
    crossing lines.
    Thanks for those suggestions!

    Maybe something interactive with javascript could be the solution. I
    imagine you would click a node and all the connections from that node
    would be highlighted.

    Possible there are javascript frameworks that already do that ... I dont
    have the time at the moment to look into that.

    Cheers,
    Martin

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 19 19:29:21 2021
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    Hi,

    There has been over year from last time I posted some maps. So I think
    some update is nice.
    This time I used 90 days worth of posts from all groups from my server,
    so 12. august to 10. november.

    First, generic view, based on paths in my server: http://usenet.ee/maps/2021/graph-n-20211010.png

    Very interesting. Many thanks for sharing it!

    Shouldn't subdomains appear as only one? For instance, there are (dhaller|sb|moses|binnsroad|disneywizard|backpage|snipe|...).eternal-september.org
    all going to reader02.eternal-september.org.

    Entries ending with ".POSTED" may be dropped too.

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Dès que le silence se fait, les gens le meublent. » (Raymond Devos)

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  • From U.ee@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 23 20:35:50 2021
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    Hello!


    On 19.11.21 20:29, Julien ÉLIE wrote:
    Shouldn't subdomains appear as only one?  For instance, there are (dhaller|sb|moses|binnsroad|disneywizard|backpage|snipe|...).eternal-september.org
    all going to reader02.eternal-september.org.

    Aggregation was done case-by-case, some hosts like mentioned eternal-september.org wasn't trouble enough for aggregating. It is
    probably nicer though to put them together.


    Entries ending with ".POSTED" may be dropped too.


    Yes, those were hassle. I cleaned up some of them, but several are still
    there.
    Interestingly, those sometimes are somewhat unique:
    news.mozilla.org.POSTED adjacent to nntp.mozilla.org,
    news.earthlink.com.POSTED to nntp.earthlink.com, so they probably are
    from different hosts.

    Thanks for Your suggestions!

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    Best regards
    U.ee

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  • From yamo'@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 28 11:26:47 2021
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    Hi,

    U.ee a tapoté le 23/11/2021 19:35:

    news.mozilla.org.POSTED adjacent to nntp.mozilla.org, news.earthlink.com.POSTED to nntp.earthlink.com, so they probably are
    from different hosts.

    The .POSTED different of "!.POSTED" in the PATH is a client information
    with is permitted by configuration in the latest versions of INN*.

    *maybe since INN 2.6.0?


    --
    Stéphane
    Sorry for my bad English...

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