• Usenet Proposal and Informal RFC : mod.* Unofficial Hierarchy Brainstor

    From Jingo Kyrma@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 14 18:39:23 2022
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    Usenet Proposal and Informal RFC : mod.* Unofficial Hierarchy Brainstorm

    Noticing the prevalence of Usenet spam, disruption and forum sliding has impelled consideration of a method of encouraging text moderated
    newsgroups not requiring official sanction but having semi-official or established 'customary' moderation features.

    Herein is proposed 'mod.*' a new Usenet top-level hierarchy resurrected
    on the ancient 'mod.*' hierarchy of yore. For example some groups under
    this hierarchy would be 'mod.newsgroups', 'mod.programming.language.go', 'mod.cryptography', 'mod.bitcoin', or 'mod.protocol.tcp'.

    Originally Usenet employed three hierarchies: 'net.*', 'fa.*', and
    'mod.*'. The 'mod.*' hierarchy designated moderated groups. Eventually
    Usenet was re-configured to allow moderation in any hierarchy and the
    'mod.*' hierarchy was deprecated. However what is now missing is a
    hierarchy in which all groups are moderated, or in which moderation is mandatory by default. Since 'mod.*' is no longer used anywhere, Usenet
    could resurrect the 'mod.*' hierarchy and put it to its intended
    use--limiting noise and abuse and keeping the signal to noise ratio high
    in signal.

    New 'mod.*' groups would be created similarly to 'alt.*' groups by
    sending of a control message, but certain elements would be mandatory: a
    valid moderator with cryptographic keys and valid email, the same for
    any chosen sub-moderators, and mandatory moderation approval and
    signature for any message to appear in the feed.

    Like the alt.* hierarchy a mod.* hierarchy would be 'unofficial' but
    with different customary rules, chiefly mandatory moderation, rather
    than optional moderation. Server admins could carry exclusively mod.*
    feeds knowing that moderation would be enforced, hence content-related administrative problems, less frequently encountered. Under all
    circumstances mod.* hierarchies would be mandatorily moderated, and in
    case of a absent moderator, held in backlog until someone volunteers to moderate. A threshold time lapse scheme would be required to sort out
    abandoned moderation issues. In short a 'use it or lose it' policy
    should apply to the chief moderator of each group. If a chief-moderator
    were to disappear, any remaining sub-moderators could vote on who should
    become the new chief. If no sub-moderators remained, then server admins
    could discuss appointing some volunteer and sending out a new control
    message that could be adopted or ignored by other server admins.

    Every mod.* group added would be required to be moderated without
    exception. If a moderator abandons a group or gets hundreds of messages backlogged after a certain lengthy time period a compliant server should
    mark it as abandoned and backlogged, then available to the first taker
    who desires to moderate it. This would be part of the customary 'ethos'
    of the hierarchy.

    Every mod.* group would be required to have one chief moderator and up
    to a dozen cryptographically approved and registered sub-moderators.
    Moderators should not be under any pressure to moderate 24/7. Rather
    they should have the flexibility to backlog for X number of days if they
    wish, and moderate all messages on a particular schedule, if they so
    desire. The moderation schedule could be part of each group description.

    The chief moderator would have authorization to over-ride any
    sub-moderators, issue manual and automated NoCeM / cancels for messages
    already approved by sub-moderators, and to remove offending messages
    that slip past lazy or rogue sub-moderators. We know it happens that
    someone volunteers to help with moderating a forum then drops the ball.
    The chief certificate model would ameliorate this, and the impetus of
    server admins to collaborate would ameliorate a derelict chief moderator failure.

    The chief proponent of the group would be the chief moderator with the cryptographic key authorization to approve and remove sub-moderators.
    Every sub-moderator can act unilaterally, and it would be incumbent on
    the chief moderator to NoCeM or cancel sub-moderator actions.

    The chief feature here is that mod.* should remain 'unofficial' with no official governance over the hierarchy. The Big 8 board and its aims are currently admirable. However there is no guarantee that in a few years
    they won't be taken over by censorship shills or FedCorp apparatchiks
    with a penchant for subverting speech freedom, a thing we have witnessed
    across the Internet infrastructure. Therefore having no official
    governance would be some degree of protection against ideological purges
    by censorship czars wheedling into the woodwork.

    The second necessary feature is that all mod.* groups would require
    moderation, and by default compliant servers would reject groups in
    feeds without a proper moderation configuration and signing keys.

    The third feature is that it would be necessary and desirable for server administrators to refuse to carry any mod.* feeds with any appreciable
    amount of spam or obvious mindless disruption which has driven away many
    people from once useful groups. Each NNTP server administrator would
    retain their autonomy on which mod.* groups to approve, synchronize or ban.

    The fourth feature would be that the groups should be text groups. Yet
    the ability to attach small files such as source code documents, PDF
    documents, SVG diagrams, and small compressed archives of source code or
    text files should be preserved. Real work is more likely to be shared in
    a moderated environment of common interest, without the disruption of
    cranks, trolls, pirates, and spammers. And real digital work usually
    involves the sharing of work documents in printable formats such as PDF
    and postscript, or zip archives of multiple documents. Therefore some
    size limit for small files should be maintained that allows sharing
    documents but curtails NZB bandwidth hogging and IP piracy nonsense.
    This, coupled with the right and inclination of server administrators to
    block offenders, should prevent binary abuse of mod.* groups, should a
    group moderator be crass enough to enable such abuse.

    If a certain group were to be controlled by a censorial, fickle, or obstreperous moderator the simple solution would be for server admins to
    allow other moderators to found a similar group with different
    moderation and content policies, rather than trying to force all
    discussion related to a subject into one group under one rulership. In
    fact this is one of the primary problems of Usenet contributing to its obsolescence: denying group proposals because some 'relevant' group
    already exists. With moderation enforced the only way for a proponent to
    get their proposed group is to agree to moderate it, automatically
    solving some problems with vanity groups cluttering the namespace.

    One of the reasons that people complain about platforms like Reddit is
    because the platform is moderated. Yet one of the reasons that millions
    of people use platforms like Reddit is because the platform is
    moderated. Each subreddit has its own moderation and moderator policies. Although moderation is not ideal in a vision of a perfect, utopian
    worldview, moderation is actually optimal and necessary in the real
    world. If Reddit had no moderator controls it would be swamped with
    textual graffiti from every crank and malcontent with Internet access,
    and totally unusable for real work or discussion. This is in large part
    what has contributed to the decline of Usenet--lack of moderation, over-moderation, and difficulty of creating new moderated groups. The
    technical bar to entry is a deterrent to many well-meaning users who
    would otherwise employ the protocol.

    With these ground rules, users would know that subscribing to a mod.*
    hierarchy would provide a low or no noise experience, without any
    centralized authority threatening their future use of the forum.

    A general group, 'mod.groups.admin' could be first established with a
    dozen or more server administrators all established as moderators of
    that group, for discussion of administration and strategies for
    streamlining. Also this group, or 'mod.groups.moderators' could be the
    forum for users who seek volunteer sub-moderators for a new or existing
    group. A general group, 'mod.groups.proposals' could be established for
    people who want to propose themselves as moderator of a new group. The
    general administration group could discuss violations of anti-noise and anti-piracy efforts by derelict or malicious moderators, and propose
    solutions to keep them in line with the ethos of the hierarchy. Perhaps
    a group like 'mod.groups.complaints' would serve as a forum for ethos enforcement discussions.

    Along with this proposal admins may wish to consider something like the 'admin.*' top-level hierarchy that works on the same principles as the
    proposed 'mod.*' hierarchy, except that only established NNTP server administrators would be able to propose a 'admin.*' group or moderate
    one. The defunct 'net.*' hierarchy could also be resurrected under this
    aegis for established administrators with skin in the game to have their
    own groups therein. Such separation of concerns would be useful for
    people actually getting work done and needing a low-noise way to
    collaborate publicly for the record.

    I have long since unsubscribed from some alt.* and Big-8 groups that I
    once enjoyed reading because the noise-to-signal ratio has made reading
    highly unpalatable while filtering spam and crank consumes more time and
    effort than I wish to waste. I have no doubt many others have left such
    groups for the same reason. This proposal is an attempt to remedy the unfortunate aggravation of classic Usenet and make it palatable again.
    In its current configuration I fear that Usenet cannot regain traction
    as a forum for collaboration and tweaks must be employed to remedy this condition.

    I believe this brainstorm proposal is meritorious and should be
    considered and discussed as a way to move forward with the shared desire
    to slowly re-invigorate Usenet for purposes of legitimate discussion and
    more importantly, public collaboration, free of nation-state and troll disruption campaigns that currently afflict the protocol.

    What tools would need to be configured to make a scheme like this
    possible? Please post comments, criticisms and suggestions about the
    points raised herein and how to make them happen.

    Jingo Kyrma (sugarbug 3883)

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to Jingo Kyrma on Tue Nov 15 18:38:42 2022
    Jingo Kyrma <[email protected]> wrote:

    What tools would need to be configured to make a scheme like this
    possible? Please post comments, criticisms and suggestions about the
    points raised herein and how to make them happen.


    Yawn.

    If you really want to get rid of 99.9% of the usenet spam, just get news
    admins to start dropping posts from *.groups.google.com.

    Thats it.

    -bruce
    [email protected]

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  • From Anton Shepelev@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 20 23:23:55 2023
    Jingo Kyrma:

    If you really want to get rid of 99.9% of the usenet spam,
    just get news admins to start dropping posts from
    *.groups.google.com.

    That will lose a considerable portion of audience, as well.

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