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Hi Adam,

Motivated promotion means the proponent spends months looking for
discussion taking place on that topic in other newsgroups and asks those posters to try the proposed group.

[...]> The reasons 10s of thousands of proposed newsgroups typically fail to

find an audience is 1) lack of discussion and 2) proponent who could
care less.

Unfortunately.

We would like to make the creation and removal of fr.* newsgroups more
fluid, but defining the process is tricky...
Any thoughts or advices about it according to your experience in other
hierarchies?

New groups do not attract new discussion to Usenet. It's more important to get discussion going on the topic of interest. Once there is sustainable discussion, then the decision can be made about breaking it off into a
new group. But make sure there is sufficient discussion in the general newsgroup for fr.* or another newsgroup in which French is used first.

[...]

Discussion of the topic is the important bit. Having a highly motivated proponent is the important bit. Just discussing the idea of discussing
the topic in a proposed group is the irrelevant bit.

Either the topic is being discussed on Usenet, or it's not.

Many thanks for having shared these wise thoughts.
One often forgets that mere fact, when focusing only on the process.

I've mentioned your response in the current discussions in the fr.*
hierarchy. I hope it will inspire us!

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Julien ÉLIE <[email protected]d> writes:

In parallel of that, we're discussing in the fr.* hierarchy potential
new rules to create/remove newsgroups, and I reckon it should be
interesting to share best current practices in other hierarchies.

All your questions about uk.* are addressed on our webpage: http://www.usenet.org.uk/guidelines.html

But, more briefly:

- Do you still use votes by mails?

Yes

- Do you still have a threshold?

No

- How to prevent "unwanted" changes, if the processus is laxed?

We have a fast-track process for uncontroversial changes, but any 6
objections (or 1 that the Committee feels well-founded) stops the
fast-track, and then a vote is needed.

- Do you have a process like the evaluation of the creation of a
newsgroup after 6 or 12 months, with its removal if it is unused?

No

uk.* relies on ukvoting volunteers to run our votes, and I don't know
how medium-term sustainable that is.

Matthew
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Hi Matthew,

All your questions about uk.* are addressed on our webpage: http://www.usenet.org.uk/guidelines.html

Thanks for the pointer. Very well described; I even see a "Quick
creation" request with 11 supporters.

- How to prevent "unwanted" changes, if the processus is laxed?

We have a fast-track process for uncontroversial changes, but any 6 objections (or 1 that the Committee feels well-founded) stops the
fast-track, and then a vote is needed.

Do you happen to know how the number 6 was chosen?
The notion of "well-founded" is also easy to define objectively...

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Julien ÉLIE

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