Le 28/09/2024 a 16:20, Marco Moock a ecrit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
Can you give some Message-IDs, please?
Just open fr.usenet.abus.rapports, absolutely every report is to cancel a >message from this server*, you can watch the delirious crossposts from one >user, another one never replies on the group the first message was posted
to, and they change identity every other week. For the bullying it's the
same people but it's in french so maybe no one will understand here.
* Just a sample :
<[email protected]>
Re: suggestion: limiter les auteurs � 5 post par newsgroup
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:58:24 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.usenet.abus.d <[email protected]>
Re: Dupliquer une sortie peritel ?
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 12:41:35 -0000
fr.sci.electronique,fr.usenet.abus.d <[email protected]>
[EXCLU] LE PREMIER ONE MAN SHOW D'UNE IA !
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:38:02 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.philo,fr.rec.humour
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
Le 28/09/2024 à 16:20, Marco Moock a écrit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
Can you give some Message-IDs, please?
Just open fr.usenet.abus.rapports, absolutely every report is to cancel
a
message from this server*, you can watch the delirious crossposts from
one
user, another one never replies on the group the first message was
posted
to, and they change identity every other week. For the bullying it's the
same people but it's in french so maybe no one will understand here.
* Just a sample :
<[email protected]>
Re: suggestion: limiter les auteurs à 5 post par newsgroup
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:58:24 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
Re: Dupliquer une sortie péritel ?
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 12:41:35 -0000
fr.sci.electronique,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
[EXCLU] LE PREMIER ONE MAN SHOW D'UNE IA !
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:38:02 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.philo,fr.rec.humour
Le 28/09/2024 à 16:20, Marco Moock a écrit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
Can you give some Message-IDs, please?
Just open fr.usenet.abus.rapports, absolutely every report is to cancel a message
from this server*, you can watch the delirious crossposts from one user, another
one never replies on the group the first message was posted to, and they change
identity every other week. For the bullying it's the same people but it's in french so maybe no one will understand here.
* Just a sample :
<[email protected]>
Re: suggestion: limiter les auteurs à 5 post par newsgroup
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:58:24 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
Re: Dupliquer une sortie péritel ?
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 12:41:35 -0000
fr.sci.electronique,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
[EXCLU] LE PREMIER ONE MAN SHOW D'UNE IA !
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:38:02 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.philo,fr.rec.humour
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 14:29:51 +0000, Eric M wrote:
Le 28/09/2024 � 16:20, Marco Moock a �crit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
You told me never to speak to you again, but what can I do?
I have reviewed reports of 'death threats' from posters, etc., and I can
not see the contents of these messages as death threats.
I have recently (a couple of weeks ago) enforced no more than two groups without Followup-To set in fr.*
i2pn2.org sets 'posting-account=' in the Injection-Info header. This
should be the same no matter what 'From:' header the user provides as it
is based on the login authentication.
I have been told that I will be reported to French authorities. Please
do so, if they provide a valid reason to block certain posts based on
the laws of my locality, this can be done. I do not live in France.
I do not agree with censorship of opinions and "mean words". I do not
agree with censorship of political or other views that I personally do
not share.
Most newsreaders have filtering features which can be used, but from all
the emails I've received it seems that people want to filter what others
can read, which I do not agree with.
I DO agree with the use of NoCeM, as it can be used to offer a choice to admins on what to filter. Why doesn't someone set up a French server
that just blocks anything and everything offensive to anyone so that
nobody has to feel bothered?
Can you give some Message-IDs, please?
Just open fr.usenet.abus.rapports, absolutely every report is to cancel
a
message from this server*, you can watch the delirious crossposts from
one
user, another one never replies on the group the first message was
posted
to, and they change identity every other week. For the bullying it's the
same people but it's in french so maybe no one will understand here.
* Just a sample :
<[email protected]>
Re: suggestion: limiter les auteurs � 5 post par newsgroup
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:58:24 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
Re: Dupliquer une sortie p�ritel ?
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 12:41:35 -0000
fr.sci.electronique,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
[EXCLU] LE PREMIER ONE MAN SHOW D'UNE IA !
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:38:02 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.philo,fr.rec.humour
In your last email to me you stated:
NAZI NAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
I didn't reply as you told me not to in a previous email, but I will
now:
Allowing people to post their views does not make someone a Nazi. Or are
you of the belief that 'Nazi' now means anyone you disagree with? I'm assuming the latter.
Le 28/09/2024 à 16:18, Eric M a écrit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
Only today :
<[email protected]>
120 autres personnes accusent P. Diddy
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 02 Oct 2024 22:34:47 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.misc.droit,fr.sci.sociologie
<[email protected]>
Re: Tas TouT, Tes Râ
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:04:16 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: Tas TouT, Tes Râ
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:33:04 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Raison de choix de non création (Re: Tas TouT, Tes Râ)
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:38:36 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.abus.d,fr.usenet.forums.evolution
<[email protected]>
Est ce que c'est de la zététique ça ?
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:45:46 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.sectes,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: C'est pas gagné
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:26:49 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: Quand les Escrocs Menacent la Sécurité
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:47:25 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.sectes
<[email protected]>
Re: M. Le Pen en 2004
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:01:09 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.maths,fr.misc.droit
<[email protected]>
Re: Quand les Escrocs Menacent la Sécurité
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:56:46 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbé Pierre mort en 2007
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:03:50 -0000
fr.soc.religion,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Déconnexion des disques USB
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:18:28 -0000
fr.comp.os.mac-os.x,fr.comp.sys.mac.materiel
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbé Pierre mort en 2007
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:27:08 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.politique
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbé Pierre mort en 2007
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:34:00 -0000
fr.soc.religion,fr.misc.droit,fr.sci.psychanalyse
And the day is not yet over.
Le 28/09/2024 a 16:18, Eric M a ecrit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives access
to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on random
newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
Only today :
<[email protected]>
120 autres personnes accusent P. Diddy
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 02 Oct 2024 22:34:47 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.misc.droit,fr.sci.sociologie
<[email protected]>
Re: Tas TouT, Tes Ra
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:04:16 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: Tas TouT, Tes Ra
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:33:04 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.maths <[email protected]>
Raison de choix de non creation (Re: Tas TouT, Tes Ra)
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:38:36 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.abus.d,fr.usenet.forums.evolution
<[email protected]>
Est ce que c'est de la zetetique ca ?
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:45:46 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.sectes,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: C'est pas gagne
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:26:49 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: Quand les Escrocs Menacent la Securite
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:47:25 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.sectes
<[email protected]>
Re: M. Le Pen en 2004
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:01:09 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.maths,fr.misc.droit
<[email protected]>
Re: Quand les Escrocs Menacent la Securite
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:56:46 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbe Pierre mort en 2007
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:03:50 -0000
fr.soc.religion,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Deconnexion des disques USB
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:18:28 -0000
fr.comp.os.mac-os.x,fr.comp.sys.mac.materiel
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbe Pierre mort en 2007
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:27:08 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.politique
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbe Pierre mort en 2007
Pere Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:34:00 -0000
fr.soc.religion,fr.misc.droit,fr.sci.psychanalyse
And the day is not yet over.
Le 28/09/2024 � 16:18, Eric M a �crit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives
access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on
random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can >> we do ?
Only today : (...) And the day is not yet over.
Le 28/09/2024 à 16:18, Eric M a écrit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives access
to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on random
newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
Only today :
<[email protected]>
120 autres personnes accusent P. Diddy
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 02 Oct 2024 22:34:47 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.misc.droit,fr.sci.sociologie
<[email protected]>
Re: Tas TouT, Tes Râ
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:04:16 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: Tas TouT, Tes Râ
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:33:04 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Raison de choix de non création (Re: Tas TouT, Tes Râ)
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:38:36 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.abus.d,fr.usenet.forums.evolution
<[email protected]>
Est ce que c'est de la zététique ça ?
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:45:46 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.sectes,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: C'est pas gagné
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:26:49 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: Quand les Escrocs Menacent la Sécurité
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:47:25 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.sectes
<[email protected]>
Re: M. Le Pen en 2004
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:01:09 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.maths,fr.misc.droit
<[email protected]>
Re: Quand les Escrocs Menacent la Sécurité
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:56:46 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbé Pierre mort en 2007
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:03:50 -0000
fr.soc.religion,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Déconnexion des disques USB
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:18:28 -0000
fr.comp.os.mac-os.x,fr.comp.sys.mac.materiel
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbé Pierre mort en 2007
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:27:08 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.politique
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abbé Pierre mort en 2007
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:34:00 -0000
fr.soc.religion,fr.misc.droit,fr.sci.psychanalyse
And the day is not yet over.
your friend Everynazi
Le 28/09/2024 � 16:18, Eric M a �crit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives accessOnly today :
to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on random >>> newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can we do ? >>
<[email protected]>
120 autres personnes accusent P. Diddy
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 02 Oct 2024 22:34:47 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.misc.droit,fr.sci.sociologie
<[email protected]>
Re: Tas TouT, Tes R�
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:04:16 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: Tas TouT, Tes R�
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:33:04 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Raison de choix de non cr�ation (Re: Tas TouT, Tes R�)
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:38:36 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.abus.d,fr.usenet.forums.evolution
<[email protected]>
Est ce que c'est de la z�t�tique �a ?
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 09:45:46 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.sectes,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: C'est pas gagn�
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:26:49 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: Quand les Escrocs Menacent la S�curit�
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 11:47:25 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.sectes
<[email protected]>
Re: M. Le Pen en 2004
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:01:09 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.maths,fr.misc.droit
<[email protected]>
Re: Quand les Escrocs Menacent la S�curit�
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:56:46 -0000
fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abb� Pierre mort en 2007
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:03:50 -0000
fr.soc.religion,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
D�connexion des disques USB
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:18:28 -0000
fr.comp.os.mac-os.x,fr.comp.sys.mac.materiel
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abb� Pierre mort en 2007
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:27:08 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.politique
<[email protected]>
Re: L'Abb� Pierre mort en 2007
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Thu, 03 Oct 2024 13:34:00 -0000
fr.soc.religion,fr.misc.droit,fr.sci.psychanalyse
And the day is not yet over.
These are compliant messages.
Ces posts sont conformes.
As a total outsider who does not speak French in the first place, anyone cross-posting to fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.maths,fr.misc.droit *has* to be trolling.
That was just one post (the one Re: M. Le Pen en 2004) but
many of the other cross-posted headers also look pretty inappropriate
for some of the groups they were posted to.
These are compliant messages.
Le Thu, 03 Oct 2024 20:39:16 +0200, Every.body a ecrit�:
These are compliant messages.
No they are not. Excessive Cross-Posting (ECP) is an abuse.
Le Thu, 03 Oct 2024 20:39:16 +0200, Every.body a écrit :
These are compliant messages.
No they are not.
Excessive Cross-Posting (ECP) is an abuse.
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can
we do ?
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
Close Nemo because he is infested with pro Zionism and pro Ukrainian and
pro macron?
Dear Eric Hamery, feel free to troll, spam and flood this group. I'm very confident you won't even need Chat GPT to do so.
I'm sure everyone here is dying to know what your true super powers are.
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
Le samedi 28 septembre 2024 � 16:18 , Eric M, S'est exprim� :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives
access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on
random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can >> we do ?
Close Nemo because he is infested with pro Zionism and pro Ukrainian and
pro macron?
Fermer Nemo parce que il est infest� par des pros sionisme et pro ukraine
et pro macron ?
On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 15:01:40 -0000 (UTC), PËre Sonnes <[email protected]> wrote:
Le samedi 28 septembre 2024 ‡ 16:18 , Eric M, S'est exprimÈ :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives
access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on >>> random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can >>> we do ?
Close Nemo because he is infested with pro Zionism and pro Ukrainian and >>pro macron?
Fermer Nemo parce que il est infestÈ par des pros sionisme et pro ukraine >>et pro macron ?
those that live by the sword rule the world ... divine right of kings https://duckduckgo.com/?q=stand+for+the+flag+kneel+for+the+cross+meme (substitute the american flag with any other national flag and voil‡)
yet the problem of cross-posting and mass trolling is never discussed
in the broader sense...cross-posting is problematic should be stopped
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 15:01:40 -0000 (UTC), PËre Sonnes <[email protected]> wrote:
Le samedi 28 septembre 2024 ‡ 16:18 , Eric M, S'est exprimÈ :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives
access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on >>> random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can >>> we do ?
Close Nemo because he is infested with pro Zionism and pro Ukrainian and >>pro macron?
Fermer Nemo parce que il est infestÈ par des pros sionisme et pro ukraine >>et pro macron ?
those that live by the sword rule the world ... divine right of kings https://duckduckgo.com/?q=stand+for+the+flag+kneel+for+the+cross+meme (substitute the american flag with any other national flag and voil‡)
yet the problem of cross-posting and mass trolling is never discussed
in the broader sense...cross-posting is problematic should be stopped
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
Le dimanche 6 octobre 2024 à 17:17 , Thomas Alexandre, S'est exprimé :
Dear Eric Hamery, feel free to troll, spam and flood this group. I'm
very confident you won't even need Chat GPT to do so.
I'm sure everyone here is dying to know what your true super powers
are.
the problem is that you, for example, are anti-spiritualist
[stuff about snake]
FR :
[those] people [...] we can easily replace[d] [...] with robots, people
like me [can't]. /
Ses gens là on peux facilement les remplacer par des robots, des gens
comme moi non./
yet the problem of cross-posting and mass trolling is never discussed in
the broader sense...cross-posting is problematic should be stopped
Le Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:54:03 +0200, R Daneel Olivaw a �crit�:
As a total outsider who does not speak French in the first place, anyone
cross-posting to fr.soc.politique,fr.sci.maths,fr.misc.droit *has* to be
trolling.
Yes, indeed.
That was just one post (the one Re: M. Le Pen en 2004) but
many of the other cross-posted headers also look pretty inappropriate
for some of the groups they were posted to.
All of his cross-posts are inappropriate, he's trolling and flooding fr.*
for years.
The guy was banned from so many news servers (aioe, eternal-september,
solani - to name a few), even llp (aka news.usenet.ovh) refused to give him an account on his server and issued some NoCem.
Sadly it seems both sides make it a matter of opinion (free speech vs censorship) whereas it's just network abuse, plain and simple.
Thomas Alexandre a exprimé avec précision :
Sadly it seems both sides make it a matter of opinion (free speech vs
censorship) whereas it's just network abuse, plain and simple.
It's very curious, the people who are complaining are already using news servers that censor them or allow them to be censored.
Why come here to annoy everyone: continue to use these servers that
censor usenet-fr with the complicity of the Paganini server.
Le Sun, 06 Oct 24 15:57:57 +0000, Eric M a écrit :
Le 06/10/2024 à 17:17, Thomas Alexandre a écrit :
feel free to troll, spam and flood this group.
That was not the goal.
Yeah but it is his.
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
Sadly it seems both sides make it a matter of opinion (free speech vs censorship) whereas it's just network abuse, plain and simple.
Le 06/10/2024 à 17:17, Thomas Alexandre a écrit :
feel free to troll, spam and flood this group.
That was not the goal.
every human born east of eden is a-theist . . . that's why they invented politics and religion . . . christianity was invented by romans in order
to save the world from itself . . . that way all human beings are saints
so there's never any need for regret, guilt or shame ... all is forgiven
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
Le dimanche 6 octobre 2024 � 17:17 , Thomas Alexandre, S'est exprim� :
Dear Eric Hamery, feel free to troll, spam and flood this group. I'm very
confident you won't even need Chat GPT to do so.
I'm sure everyone here is dying to know what your true super powers are.
the problem is that you, for example, are anti-spiritualist and you would >like me not to publish my elucubrations any more like a certain call >spirituality like this, except that you are a serpent, you are not
avarice of BI, and I put a picture of you beside it to show you your
actions on Usenet: ><https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/t91243zdt8bg9iq8u0hx6/Thomas-Alexandre.jpeg?rlkey=f1xbnseqk77aw55rv3pco99il&dl=0>
Thomas Alexand and his BI...
we are seeing atheists wanting to prohibit spiritualist from publishing
on zetetics, is it crazy? especially hidden I the evidence of the
existence of spirits that I do not want to see. /
We will recognize you by this map: Snake: ><https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7ijxiocabdxb6a4xmkvv8/07-Serpent.jpeg?rlkey=cqo7u9kx24mfnrzrfldqiskj1&dl=0>
Snake near or far, Gar at your days, your good. You will see Hypocrit and >traitors appear
FR :
il est l� le probl�me c'est que toi par exemple tu es anti spiritualiste
et tu voudrais que je ne publie plus mes �lucubrations comme certain
appel la spiritualit� comme cela, sauf que tu es un serpent, tu n'est pas >avar de BI, et j'ai mis une photo de toi de cot� pour te montrer ton >agissement sur Usenet : ><https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/t91243zdt8bg9iq8u0hx6/Thomas-Alexandre.jpeg?rlkey=f1xbnseqk77aw55rv3pco99il&dl=0>
Thomas Alexand et son BI...
on en est a voir les ath�e vouloir interdire les spiritualiste de publier
sur z�t�tique, c'est fou non ? surtout cach� moi les preuves de
l'existence des esprits que je ne veux pas voir./
On vous reconnaitra par cette carte :
Serpent : ><https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7ijxiocabdxb6a4xmkvv8/07-Serpent.jpeg?rlkey=cqo7u9kx24mfnrzrfldqiskj1&dl=0>
Serpent proche ou lointain, Gare � tes jours, ton bien. Tu verras
apparaitre Hypocrite et tra�tres
D <J@M> wrote:
cross-posting is problematic should be stopped
I disagree.
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
the request to stop any crossovers without this asking the question why > there is crossovers is often the case of those who want to prohibit any
crossovers, in fact they have not understood the interest of crossovers
and may never understand this interest.
Le dimanche 6 octobre 2024 � 19:32 , D, S'est exprim� :snip
east of eden
sorry, but we
Wow, you change identity from one *minute* to another:
Le 6/10/24 à 20:49, Père Sonnes a écrit :
the request to stop any crossovers without this asking the question why > there
is crossovers is often the case of those who want to prohibit any
crossovers, in fact they have not understood the interest of crossovers
and may never understand this interest.
Hi, my little note: it seems to me that everyone could easily avoid the guy by
filtering him on the suffix of his address in From: or on the basis of his Organization: field, which have not changed for years if I remember well. Personally I put it in color so as not to miss it :-) I don't like his crossposts
but it's part of the character. Please stop censorship attempts, fortunately my
suppliers do not take cancellations into account.
We have long suffered abuse from a small group of
French-speaking cancellers, almost all of the participants in fr.soc.politique
have been targeted for a long time based solely on their opinions, this is unacceptable and we should not help them to do it again. I indicate a solution
above which seems sufficient to me. It should be noted that this group of people
who are still active use Usenet little or not but rather spend their time trying
to control it, and that irritates me.
Hello !
---
Le 6/10/24 à 20:49, Père Sonnes a écrit :
the request to stop any crossovers without this asking the question why > there is crossovers is often the case of those who want to prohibit any
crossovers, in fact they have not understood the interest of crossovers
and may never understand this interest.
Hi, my little note: it seems to me that everyone could easily avoid the
guy by filtering him on the suffix of his address in From: or on the
basis of his Organization: field, which have not changed for years if I remember well. Personally I put it in color so as not to miss it :-) I
don't like his crossposts but it's part of the character. Please stop censorship attempts, fortunately my suppliers do not take cancellations
into account.
We have long suffered abuse from a small group of
French-speaking cancellers, almost all of the participants in fr.soc.politique have been targeted for a long time based solely on
their opinions, this is unacceptable and we should not help them to do
it again. I indicate a solution above which seems sufficient to me. It
should be noted that this group of people who are still active use
Usenet little or not but rather spend their time trying to control it,
and that irritates me.
Hello !
---
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
Dans son message précédent, Eric M a écrit :
Wow, you change identity from one *minute* to another:
I move from "llp" to "Jean-Paul", but the change was not effective
in all situation. *But the "posting-account" is the same*
You just want to make noise...
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 14:29:51 +0000, Eric M wrote:
Le 28/09/2024 à 16:20, Marco Moock a écrit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
You told me never to speak to you again, but what can I do?
I have reviewed reports of 'death threats' from posters, etc., and I can
not see the contents of these messages as death threats.
I have recently (a couple of weeks ago) enforced no more than two groups without Followup-To set in fr.*
i2pn2.org sets 'posting-account=' in the Injection-Info header. This
should be the same no matter what 'From:' header the user provides as it
is based on the login authentication.
I have been told that I will be reported to French authorities. Please
do so, if they provide a valid reason to block certain posts based on
the laws of my locality, this can be done. I do not live in France.
I do not agree with censorship of opinions and "mean words". I do not
agree with censorship of political or other views that I personally do
not share.
Most newsreaders have filtering features which can be used, but from all
the emails I've received it seems that people want to filter what others
can read, which I do not agree with.
I DO agree with the use of NoCeM, as it can be used to offer a choice to admins on what to filter. Why doesn't someone set up a French server
that just blocks anything and everything offensive to anyone so that
nobody has to feel bothered?
Can you give some Message-IDs, please?
Just open fr.usenet.abus.rapports, absolutely every report is to cancel
a
message from this server*, you can watch the delirious crossposts from
one
user, another one never replies on the group the first message was
posted
to, and they change identity every other week. For the bullying it's the
same people but it's in french so maybe no one will understand here.
* Just a sample :
<[email protected]>
Re: suggestion: limiter les auteurs à 5 post par newsgroup
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:58:24 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
Re: Dupliquer une sortie péritel ?
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 12:41:35 -0000
fr.sci.electronique,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
[EXCLU] LE PREMIER ONE MAN SHOW D'UNE IA !
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:38:02 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.philo,fr.rec.humour
In your last email to me you stated:
NAZI NAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
I didn't reply as you told me not to in a previous email, but I will
now:
Allowing people to post their views does not make someone a Nazi. Or are
you of the belief that 'Nazi' now means anyone you disagree with? I'm assuming the latter.
Je crois pas, car je sais que c'est faux malgré tout...
Le 06/10/2024 à 23:11, Jean-Paul a écrit :
Wow, you change identity from one *minute* to another:
I move from "llp" to "Jean-Paul", but the change was not effective
in all situation. *But the "posting-account" is the same*
And before that you used "Samsung01", "La Libre Parole", "faq", "admin" and many
more, so it's no surprise you're getting confused.
You just want to make noise...
You are my master in this domain.
Bonsoir,
Dans le message <ve0fsk$1mmq8$[email protected]>, vryvry.bobo a écrit le
lundi 7 octobre 2024 à 13 h 15 :
https://www.cjoint.com/c/NBct0CEn7Lf
Et si tu apprenais à utiliser cjoint ?
Why not learn how to use cjoint?
https://www.cjoint.com/c/NBct0CEn7Lf
Why not learn how to use cjoint?
After you.
<https://www.cjoint.com/c/NBct0CEn7Lf>
Le 03/10/2024 � 15:42, Eric M a �crit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives accessOnly today :
to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on random >>> newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can we do ? >>
Only today (again) :
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les �v�nements
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 13:43:51 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les �v�nements
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 13:39:48 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Clown
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 12:53:18 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les �v�nements
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 12:22:32 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les �v�nements
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 12:22:34 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: [Pollution] Re: Probabilit� 1 ? ALEXANDRE et ERICA MUSRU[�]
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:54:37 -0000
fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.psychanalyse <[email protected]>
Re: When I see some people criticizing AI
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:35:53 -0000
fr.comp.ia,fr.sci.sociologie
<[email protected]>
Re: When I see some people criticizing AI
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:37:12 -0000
fr.comp.ia,fr.sci.sociologie
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les �v�nements
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:32:00 -0000
fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les �v�nements
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:22:12 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Probabilit� 1 ? ALEXANDRE et ERICA MUSRUCK
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:15:52 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Probabilit� 1 ? ALEXANDRE et ERICA MUSRUCK
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:18:33 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths <[email protected]>
Re: Tu veux ou tu veux pas ?
Cheack <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 11:16:39 +0200
fr.usenet.forums.evolution <[email protected]>
En Temps qu'Intellectuel
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Tue, 08 Oct 2024 23:41:50 -0000
fr.usenet.abus.d,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.misc.droit <[email protected]>
[Chat GPT] Re: Calculer son environnement et les �v�nements
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Tue, 08 Oct 2024 23:18:34 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Calculer son environnement et les �v�nements
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Tue, 08 Oct 2024 23:09:40 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths <[email protected]>
Re: Message � �{Aubrin} ? �{p�reconne}
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Tue, 08 Oct 2024 23:00:25 -0000
fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.zetetique
Le 03/10/2024 à 15:42, Eric M a écrit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now, gives accessOnly today :
to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour, crossposting on random >>> newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do NOTHING about it, what can we do ? >>
Only today (again) :
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les événements
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 13:43:51 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les événements
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 13:39:48 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Clown
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 12:53:18 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les événements
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 12:22:32 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les événements
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 12:22:34 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: [Pollution] Re: Probabilité 1 ? ALEXANDRE et ERICA MUSRU[…]
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:54:37 -0000
fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: When I see some people criticizing AI
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:35:53 -0000
fr.comp.ia,fr.sci.sociologie
<[email protected]>
Re: When I see some people criticizing AI
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:37:12 -0000
fr.comp.ia,fr.sci.sociologie
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les événements
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:32:00 -0000
fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.psychanalyse
<[email protected]>
Re: Calculer son environnement et les événements
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:22:12 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Probabilité 1 ? ALEXANDRE et ERICA MUSRUCK
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:15:52 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Probabilité 1 ? ALEXANDRE et ERICA MUSRUCK
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:18:33 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Tu veux ou tu veux pas ?
Cheack <[email protected]>
Wed, 09 Oct 2024 11:16:39 +0200
fr.usenet.forums.evolution
<[email protected]>
En Temps qu'Intellectuel
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Tue, 08 Oct 2024 23:41:50 -0000
fr.usenet.abus.d,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.misc.droit
<[email protected]>
[Chat GPT] Re: Calculer son environnement et les événements
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Tue, 08 Oct 2024 23:18:34 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Calculer son environnement et les événements
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Tue, 08 Oct 2024 23:09:40 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.maths
<[email protected]>
Re: Message à ¬{Aubrin} ∩ ¬{pèreconne}
Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Tue, 08 Oct 2024 23:00:25 -0000
fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.zetetique
Le 09/10/2024 � 20:16, D a �crit :
troll farm operatives have been systematically flooding active newsgroups
since day one . . . perhaps troll flooding is something relatively new to
subscribers of popular newsgroups in the fr.* hierarchy..could that be it?
It's not new, but it came to a point where there is a real menace that >nothing else will survive.
furthermore, the feeble content of these frequently cited (and oftentimes
cross-posted) troll-bait articles is unworthy of discussion in this group; >> how about discussing the global elimination of crossposting in newsgroups?
This is a too vast question for me, my problem is two accounts on one
server and it's already hard enough :)
Path: news..!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mailsnip
From: Boars Head <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.democrats,talk.politics.guns, >comp.os.linux.advocacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: Helene Survivors Cannot Apply for $750 Because They Do Not
Have a Phone or Computer
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 12:05:36 -0700
Message-ID: <ve6k5q$2ta6g$[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
...
On 10/9/2024 10:25 AM, John Smyth wrote:
Really?
Who could have thought.
'Sheriff: Helene Survivors Cannot Apply for $750 Because They Do Not
Have a Phone or Computer'
The entire Biden administration should be lined up in the streets and shot^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^
Le 09/10/2024 à 18:34, Eric M a écrit :
Only today (again) :
Today he says control fr.* is dead.
<http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C10dc9c24eb42c353e6b73cc3528c737f0378047c%40i2pn2.org%3E>
Le 11/10/2024 � 13:28, Eric M a �crit :
And today :Only today (again) :Today he says control fr.* is dead.
<[email protected]>
Re: [Chat GPT] Re: [Ancien] Probl�me sexagecimal ! (niveau 1[�]
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:28:17 -0000
fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: Imaginez un monde o� l'intelligence humaine n'est plus l[�]
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:25:07 -0000
fr.sci.philo,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: Imaginez un monde o� l'intelligence humaine n'est plus l[�]
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:20:18 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.politique <[email protected]>
Re: [Chat GPT] Re: [Ancien] Probl�me sexagecimal ! (niveau 1[�]
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:12:05 -0000
fr.sci.maths,fr.sci.zetetique
<[email protected]>
Re: Imaginez un monde o� l'intelligence humaine n'est plus l[�]
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:09:08 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.politique <[email protected]>
Re: Imaginez un monde o� l'intelligence humaine n'est plus l[�]
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
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Le 11/10/2024 à 13:28, Eric M a écrit :
Le 14/10/2024 à 00:39, Jean-Paul a écrit :
Stop slandering a news administrator who has nothing to be ashamed of.
Very funny from you, remember Marc Schaefer ?
What's more, you're using a server that filters Eric H. You really are
an evil troll.
It's only what I see in fr.usenet.abus.rapports, and everyone can see
it's massive.
Nobody takes you seriously on “fr” anymore.
You won't have any more success here.
Again, very funny :)
Le Thu, 03 Oct 2024 20:39:16 +0200, Every.body a �crit�:
These are compliant messages.
No they are not. Excessive Cross-Posting (ECP) is an abuse.
D <J@M> wrote:
cross-posting is problematic should be stopped
I disagree.
It's only what I see in fr.usenet.abus.rapports, and everyone can see it's massive.
Le 14/10/2024 � 17:46, Frank Slootweg a �crit :
FSVSVO "Excessive". For most servers, 3 newsgroups isn't anywhere
even close to excessive.
What you're probably referring to cross-posting between some specific groups which is 'not allowed' according to the group(s)' charter.
Such kind of cross-posting can not be enforced world-wide, because
there is no generic server support to prevent/filter/'cancel' such
posts [1].
Nobody (except one person here) wants crossposts to be forbidden, it's one very specific case with only two people heavily polluting for years.
Bottom line: You (plural) are trying to censor unmoderated Usenet.
That never worked and it never will.
Where is free speech when one person forbids all other to post on usenet because he appropriates groups for his business (because he's selling
things to, he claims he's a kind of a fortune-teller) ?
The problem is you don't understand the problem because you don't speak french and don't read this groups, nor does the newsmaster of the server
used to pollute. Everybody(not him, really everybody) here can watch somewhere else.
Le 15/10/2024 � 16:40, Frank Slootweg a �crit :
I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but your 'problem' is by no means unique. We all have our share of trolls, loons, jerks, creeps and
otherwise unwanted posters/postings. We just filter/ignore them and move on. If you can't handle that, get off unmoderated Usenet.
And again it's more than that.
The other account on i2pn2 even flooded a
newsgroup* with a server that had to close to stop him. He didn't do it
with i2pn2, maybe he can't, but it's not safe.
And I won't answer to you
again as it brings nothing new.
*I mean hundreds of messages in a day on the group debatting of abuses.
Le 15/10/2024 � 16:40, Frank Slootweg a �crit :
I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but your 'problem' is by no means
unique. We all have our share of trolls, loons, jerks, creeps and
otherwise unwanted posters/postings. We just filter/ignore them and move
on. If you can't handle that, get off unmoderated Usenet.
And again it's more than that. The other account on i2pn2 even flooded a >newsgroup* with a server that had to close to stop him. He didn't do it
with i2pn2, maybe he can't, but it's not safe. And I won't answer to you >again as it brings nothing new.
*I mean hundreds of messages in a day on the group debatting of abuses.
Le 15/10/2024 � 17:29, Frank Slootweg a �crit :
Translation: You can't deliver the goods and you can't be bothered to
do *your* bit to get rid of the alleged "abuse". All you do is complain
and expect others to somehow magically solve your 'problems'.
It can be done in 2 minutes, just 2 accounts to delete and it's over.
You're a good troll, I feel forced to answer :)
*I mean hundreds of messages in a day on the group debatting of abuses.
Not snipping but not reading, is this better ?
EOT for good, you won't change your mind and I won't change mine.
I just want to be heard,
Le 15/10/2024 � 23:10, noel a �crit :
I just want to be heard,
no you don't... becasue if you did you would be complaining in the right
place, which is not here.
I did, and it didn't go well, because the newsmaster didn't reply to what
I said.
what is your hope of posting it constantly in here? Do you think we will
take your word on it and depeer a server? Becasue that wont happen until
it hits critical mass like with google.
I don't want this server to stop. I want the newsmaster to realize that
his servers harms another hierarchy, and not caring about it is not a good >idea.
what you consider pollution may not be to another, if this pollution
violates a servers T&C's, then you should be contacting them directly,
pointing out the section it violates.
I already did that.
beating your chest in here wont get you anywhere as you have hopefully by
now found out, well, except for a whole lot of other people starting to
ignore your posts :)
I agree with that, this discussion can't lead anywhere, but it's a kind of >protest.
Le 15/10/2024 � 23:10, noel a �crit :
I just want to be heard,
no you don't... becasue if you did you would be complaining in the right place, which is not here.
I did, and it didn't go well, because the newsmaster didn't reply to what
I said.
what is your hope of posting it constantly in here? Do you think we will take your word on it and depeer a server? Becasue that wont happen until
it hits critical mass like with google.
I don't want this server to stop. I want the newsmaster to realize that
his servers harms another hierarchy, and not caring about it is not a good idea.
what you consider pollution may not be to another, if this pollution violates a servers T&C's, then you should be contacting them directly, pointing out the section it violates.
I already did that.
beating your chest in here wont get you anywhere as you have hopefully by now found out, well, except for a whole lot of other people starting to ignore your posts :)
I agree with that, this discussion can't lead anywhere, but it's a kind of protest.
Le 15/10/2024 à 23:10, noel a écrit :
I just want to be heard,
no you don't... becasue if you did you would be complaining in the right
place, which is not here.
I did, and it didn't go well, because the newsmaster didn't reply to
what
I said.
Maybe it's not the best I could do, I gave up because I felt I talked to
a wall, but maybe I was wrong.
Le 16/10/2024 � 20:21, Retro Guy a �crit :
I did, and it didn't go well, because the newsmaster didn't reply to
what I said.
This is not true. I replied to what was said, and I disagreed with the
view that the articles are abuse. You listed articles saying that at
least one was a death threat, but it was not. The rest were, at most,
boring but not abuse. You offered to report me to authorities and I
responded to go ahead. Have you done that?
I said that he threatened someone who said he would file a complaint, I
don't know if he did, but it already happened in the past.
I can only assume that "didn't reply to what I said" means, "didn't do
what I told him to do."
Usually, when I write an abuse listing many racist and antesimitic posts
the newsmaster says "ok, it violates the netiquette, I delete the
account", so I was a bit surprised. But maybe as Thomas Alexandre said I >should have spoken of technical abuses, because there is much to say too. >There are, as I said, two accounts (I suppose two people, but you never >know). One is cancelled automatically because he crossposted to 8 forums
each of his messages, but changed the groups between two messages, so his >messages can be seen everywhere. Maybe you have a limit, he apparently
only does it on three groups at a time now, but it's still quite
polluting. The other one flooded the hierarchy with incoherent posts on >random newsgroups with random texts, mainly insults but sometimes just >anything. For the record, llp (now Jean-Paul) had to delete his account >whereas he supported him, that is much to say. Both of them have an
history of abuse back to ten years at least, kicked out of many servers, >that's why they are so happy with yours.
You said I am complicit in racism and antisemitism, which is your view.
In France you would be. I'm not trying to impose french laws, but there it
is the contrary, even if fr.* is not french but french-speaking 99% of the >posters are French. We don't have the first amendment, we have different >laws. For the "nazi" part, maybe it was excessive, I don't know, the only >thing I knew of you before is that you made an excellent tool to search >NoCems. Maybe you think you have a kind of mission for free speech, but
this is not free speech, this is mainly insults and threats and incoherent >posts.
I replied that I do not decide what is abuse based on my personal
viewpoints on subjects.
In France this is a crime, we have a platform to file complaints about it >(Pharos).
In this article: <[email protected]> in
this thread, I mention how you might filter these, and how i2pn2
provides the headers to do so.
There are still people replying to him so it's not of great help, I'm
afraid. I haven't read him for a long time but it changes nothing.
I still have the email conversation.
Maybe it's not the best I could do, I gave up because I felt I talked to a >wall, but maybe I was wrong.
...
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phare_d%27Alexandrie
Phare d'Alexandrie
...
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHAROS
PHAROS (acronyme pour Plateforme d'harmonisation, d'analyse, de recoupement >et d'orientation des signalements) est un site web cr�� en 2009 par le >Gouvernement fran�ais pour signaler des contenus et comportements en ligne >illicites.
Histoire
La plateforme, cr��e en 2009, est mise en oeuvre par l'Office central de >lutte contre la criminalit� li�e aux technologies de l'information et de la >communication, une branche de la direction centrale de la Police judiciaire1. >Dix ans plus tard (fin 2019), PHAROS est constitu�e de 27 personnes. En >f�vrier 2020, 1 584 130 signalements avaient �t� trait�s par PHAROS depuis
sa cr�ation2, avec plus de 4 400 signalements re�us par semaine, en moyenne, >dont 57 % concernant des escroqueries et arnaques financi�res3.
� la suite de l'attentat de Conflans-Sainte-Honorine en octobre 2020, et >alors que certains messages mena�ants du tueur de Samuel Paty y avaient �t� >signal�s sans faire l'objet d'enqu�te approfondie4, le gouvernement ajoute >vingt policiers et gendarmes afin que la plateforme fonctionne toute l'ann�e >24 heures sur 245.
A titre d'exemple r�cent :
Nombre et type de signalements re�us par Pharos, au 2nd semestre 2023 >Contenus Nombre de demande de retrait
Contenus terroristes 13 281
Escroqueries & extorsions 35 250
Atteintes aux mineurs 16 473
Discriminations 17 067
Menaces diverses 8 289
Les agents de la plateforme filtrent les messages les plus inqui�tants pour >les transmettre en urgence aux services de police, de renseignement ou >antiterroristes (dont 326 en urgence aboslue � des fins de sauvegarde de la >vie humaine. Entre janvier et octobre 2021, 510 signalements ont �t� ainsi >transmis aux autorit�s judiciaires6. PHAROS collabore avec de grandes >plateformes comme Facebook et Twitter pour y faire supprimer les contenus >faisant l�apologie du terrorisme ou � caract�re p�dopornographique. Ainsi, >selon son bilan 2023, Pharos a, cette ann�e l�, demand� aux h�bergeurs le >retrait de 67295 contenus class�s "atteintes sexuelles sur mineurs", 2549 >contenus "terroristes" et 1137 contenus discriminatoires, haineux, etc.7 . . . [end quoted excerpt]
what you consider pollution may not be to another, if this pollution
violates a servers T&C's, then you should be contacting them directly,
pointing out the section it violates.
I already did that.
beating your chest in here wont get you anywhere as you have hopefully
by now found out, well, except for a whole lot of other people starting
to ignore your posts :)
I agree with that, this discussion can't lead anywhere, but it's a kind
of protest.
Le 17/10/2024 � 14:06, noel a �crit :
No, its not a protest, because nobody here can force change
I said what I had to say to the person that can do something about it, it's up to him to see now, EOT.
Le 17/10/2024 � 14:06, noel a �crit :
No, its not a protest, because nobody here can force change
I said what I had to say to the person that can do something about it,
it's up to him to see now, EOT.
. . .
"insults" - i.e. like *your* "NAZI", repeated umpteen times - are
speech, which may or may not have consequences. I don't consider "NAZI"
to be free speech, but won't get a fit about something like "moron". It
all depends.
Most "threats" are probably not free speech, but most of them are
probably not actionable (by law enforcement).
. . .
Le 16/10/2024 � 20:21, Retro Guy a �crit :[...]
You said I am complicit in racism and antisemitism, which is your view.
In France you would be. I'm not trying to impose french laws, but there it
is the contrary, even if fr.* is not french but french-speaking 99% of the posters are French. We don't have the first amendment, we have different laws.
For the "nazi" part, maybe it was excessive, I don't know, the only thing I knew of you before is that you made an excellent tool to search NoCems.
Maybe you think you have a kind of mission for free speech, but
this is not free speech, this is mainly insults and threats and incoherent posts.
I replied that I do not decide what is abuse based on my personal viewpoints on subjects.
In France this is a crime, we have a platform to file complaints about it (Pharos).
In this article: <[email protected]> in
this thread, I mention how you might filter these, and how i2pn2
provides the headers to do so.
There are still people replying to him so it's not of great help, I'm
afraid. I haven't read him for a long time but it changes nothing.
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
. . .
"insults" - i.e. like *your* "NAZI", repeated umpteen times - are
speech, which may or may not have consequences. I don't consider "NAZI"
to be free speech, but won't get a fit about something like "moron". It
all depends.
Congratulations. I finally got trolled into posting a followup into this thread that just won't die. This is reminiscent of the pondscum and
socmen herding attempts that exposed the Big 8 administrators as
complete and utter fools years ago.
I'm a Jew. I know full well that the Holocaust didn't occur because
people during the 1930s made lame insults in writing. It's laughable
that in post-WWII de-Nazification that certain countries passed laws
banning the Nazi party and even use of the word "Nazi" entirely. It's a complete and utter willful misunderstanding of recent history and
insulting to the memory of those who were murdered.
It's speech. If you want the government to oppress an idea, then you
oppose free speech. But you don't get to tell people that you don't
consider use of a word that stands for an idea you oppose "free speech".
You're wrong, and you truly need to rethink your position. Censorship is black and white. Either speech is repressed, or it's not. There is no
middle ground.
Most "threats" are probably not free speech, but most of them are
probably not actionable (by law enforcement).
A threat has an underlying criminal act, speech used in the crime of intimidation or coersion. It's not just words like a lame insult of
calling someone a Nazi.
Eric M a expos� le 17/10/2024 :
Le 17/10/2024 � 14:06, noel a �crit :
No, its not a protest, because nobody here can force change
I said what I had to say to the person that can do something about it, it's >> up to him to see now, EOT.
He's clearly already responded to you and hasn't been intimidated
by your threats: <[email protected]>
From: Retro Guy <[email protected]>[end quote]
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: Multiple abuses from i2pn2.
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 15:17:05 +0000
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <VWH_2ypup_sRKJJJHA6zPHlzZIo@jntp> <vd93bs$18enc$[email protected]> <B2YUiXCGRDhdzm-BUSYXdPbuh7Q@jntp>
Injection-Info: i2pn2.org;
...
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 14:29:51 +0000, Eric M wrote:
Le 28/09/2024 � 16:20, Marco Moock a �crit :
This server has been polluting the fr.* hierarchy for months now,
gives access to flooders, antisemites, bullying, bad behaviour,
crossposting on random newsgroups, the newsmaster decided to do
NOTHING about it, what can we do ?
You told me never to speak to you again, but what can I do?
I have reviewed reports of 'death threats' from posters, etc., and I can
not see the contents of these messages as death threats.
I have recently (a couple of weeks ago) enforced no more than two groups >without Followup-To set in fr.*
i2pn2.org sets 'posting-account=' in the Injection-Info header. This
should be the same no matter what 'From:' header the user provides as it
is based on the login authentication.
I have been told that I will be reported to French authorities. Please
do so, if they provide a valid reason to block certain posts based on
the laws of my locality, this can be done. I do not live in France.
I do not agree with censorship of opinions and "mean words". I do not
agree with censorship of political or other views that I personally do
not share.
Most newsreaders have filtering features which can be used, but from all
the emails I've received it seems that people want to filter what others
can read, which I do not agree with.
I DO agree with the use of NoCeM, as it can be used to offer a choice to >admins on what to filter. Why doesn't someone set up a French server
that just blocks anything and everything offensive to anyone so that
nobody has to feel bothered?
Can you give some Message-IDs, please?
Just open fr.usenet.abus.rapports, absolutely every report is to cancel
a
message from this server*, you can watch the delirious crossposts from
one
user, another one never replies on the group the first message was
posted
to, and they change identity every other week. For the bullying it's the
same people but it's in french so maybe no one will understand here.
* Just a sample :
<[email protected]>
Re: suggestion: limiter les auteurs � 5 post par newsgroup
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:58:24 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
Re: Dupliquer une sortie p�ritel ?
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 12:41:35 -0000
fr.sci.electronique,fr.usenet.abus.d
<[email protected]>
[EXCLU] LE PREMIER ONE MAN SHOW D'UNE IA !
P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:38:02 -0000
fr.sci.zetetique,fr.sci.philo,fr.rec.humour
In your last email to me you stated:
NAZI NAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZINAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
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NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI
I didn't reply as you told me not to in a previous email, but I will
now:
Allowing people to post their views does not make someone a Nazi. Or are
you of the belief that 'Nazi' now means anyone you disagree with? I'm >assuming the latter.
--
Retro Guy
Adam H. Kerman <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
. . .
"insults" - i.e. like *your* "NAZI", repeated umpteen times - are >>>speech, which may or may not have consequences. I don't consider "NAZI" >>>to be free speech, but won't get a fit about something like "moron". It >>>all depends.
Congratulations. I finally got trolled into posting a followup into this >>thread that just won't die. This is reminiscent of the pondscum and
socmen herding attempts that exposed the Big 8 administrators as
complete and utter fools years ago.
I'm a Jew. I know full well that the Holocaust didn't occur because
people during the 1930s made lame insults in writing. It's laughable
that in post-WWII de-Nazification that certain countries passed laws >>banning the Nazi party and even use of the word "Nazi" entirely. It's a >>complete and utter willful misunderstanding of recent history and
insulting to the memory of those who were murdered.
It's speech. If you want the government to oppress an idea, then you
oppose free speech. But you don't get to tell people that you don't >>consider use of a word that stands for an idea you oppose "free speech".
Don't be silly. Of course I get to tell people that I don't consider
calling someone "NAZI", repeated umpteen times, to be free speech.
That's *my* "free speech".
You're wrong, and you truly need to rethink your position. Censorship is >>black and white. Either speech is repressed, or it's not. There is no >>middle ground.
I'm not "wrong" and there's no need to "rethink my position".
Censorship may be black and white, but "free speech" isn't. The OP's
"free speech" ends/is_limited where it interferes with the free speech
of others. "free speech" isn't without consequences.
Most "threats" are probably not free speech, but most of them are >>>probably not actionable (by law enforcement).
A threat has an underlying criminal act, speech used in the crime of >>intimidation or coersion. It's not just words like a lame insult of
calling someone a Nazi.
Agreed. I didn't consider the OP's use of "NAZI" to be a threat. I
did/do consider it a - totally uncalled for - vile insult.
Bottom line: I think you chose the wrong 'opponent'. I'm *against* the
censoring which the OP wants the i2pn2 admin to implement. I.e. the OP
is the censor, not me.
On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 16:56:08 +0200, Jean-Paul <[email protected]> wrote: >>Eric M a expos?e 17/10/2024 :
Le 17/10/2024 ?4:06, noel a ?it :
No, its not a protest, because nobody here can force change
I said what I had to say to the person that can do something about it, it's >>> up to him to see now, EOT.
He's clearly already responded to you and hasn't been intimidated
by your threats: <[email protected]>
it seems incredible that any newsserver administrator would resort to
such puerile and hypocritical slanders (nazi, nationalsozialistische) >regardless of the context; if this "eric m" really did write and send
this "nazi nazi nazi" ugliness, maybe it was too much alcohol talking?
D <[email protected]> composa la prose suivante:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 16:56:08 +0200, Jean-Paul <[email protected]> wrote: >>>Eric M a expos?e 17/10/2024 :
Le 17/10/2024 ?4:06, noel a ?it :
No, its not a protest, because nobody here can force change
I said what I had to say to the person that can do something about it, it's
up to him to see now, EOT.
He's clearly already responded to you and hasn't been intimidated
by your threats: <[email protected]>
it seems incredible that any newsserver administrator would resort to
such puerile and hypocritical slanders (nazi, nationalsozialistische) >>regardless of the context; if this "eric m" really did write and send
this "nazi nazi nazi" ugliness, maybe it was too much alcohol talking?
Eric M. is not a newsserver administrator. It's just a french troll
who want to ban from usenet all thing he don't like.
And if you not agree with him: you are a nazi or far-right politics.
In France this is a crime, we have a platform to file complaints about
it (Pharos).
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Adam H. Kerman <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
. . .
"insults" - i.e. like *your* "NAZI", repeated umpteen times - are >>>speech, which may or may not have consequences. I don't consider "NAZI" >>>to be free speech, but won't get a fit about something like "moron". It >>>all depends.
Congratulations. I finally got trolled into posting a followup into this >>thread that just won't die. This is reminiscent of the pondscum and >>socmen herding attempts that exposed the Big 8 administrators as
complete and utter fools years ago.
I'm a Jew. I know full well that the Holocaust didn't occur because >>people during the 1930s made lame insults in writing. It's laughable
that in post-WWII de-Nazification that certain countries passed laws >>banning the Nazi party and even use of the word "Nazi" entirely. It's a >>complete and utter willful misunderstanding of recent history and >>insulting to the memory of those who were murdered.
It's speech. If you want the government to oppress an idea, then you >>oppose free speech. But you don't get to tell people that you don't >>consider use of a word that stands for an idea you oppose "free speech".
Don't be silly. Of course I get to tell people that I don't consider
calling someone "NAZI", repeated umpteen times, to be free speech.
That's *my* "free speech".
Free speech should belong to everybody as a moral right, even if it's
just a lame insult using a word that does get censored in parts of the
world.
You're wrong, and you truly need to rethink your position. Censorship is >>black and white. Either speech is repressed, or it's not. There is no >>middle ground.
I'm not "wrong" and there's no need to "rethink my position".
Of course you are. You believe use of a word may be censored without infringing upon free speech. That's the opposite of what free
speech means.
Censorship may be black and white, but "free speech" isn't. The OP's
"free speech" ends/is_limited where it interferes with the free speech
of others. "free speech" isn't without consequences.
The consequences -- defending against a lawsuit for defamation -- occur
after the speech. You argue that the speech be suppressed beforehand,
which is called prior restraint.
You're getting it wrong.
Most "threats" are probably not free speech, but most of them are >>>probably not actionable (by law enforcement).
A threat has an underlying criminal act, speech used in the crime of >>intimidation or coersion. It's not just words like a lame insult of >>calling someone a Nazi.
Agreed. I didn't consider the OP's use of "NAZI" to be a threat. I
did/do consider it a - totally uncalled for - vile insult.
It's his right to be an unrestrained ass upon Usenet. The consequence is
to his reputation.
Bottom line: I think you chose the wrong 'opponent'. I'm *against* the
censoring which the OP wants the i2pn2 admin to implement. I.e. the OP
is the censor, not me.
I'm limiting my participation in this thread to my objection to any form
of official censorship.
I am aware that you are not in the United States.
Here, censorship is anathema in law. Europeans don't understand that
there is no such thing as a moral basis for censorship.
Le 18/10/2024 � 15:49, Frank Slootweg a �crit :
If so, as I said, you should have chosen a different 'opponent'. *The
OP* is the one who wants "official censorship" to be carried out by the
i2pn2 admin,
No. It's hard not to reply when what I say is constantly twisted. I only
want two accounts to be destroyed, for technical reasons (I may say also
for technical reasons, but the netiquette seems to be completely ignored >now). I could give you another account on i2pn2 which supports Hezbollah,
but no technical abuse, so I don't say anything.
I'm sorry this thread got so long, but many trolls, french and US, came to >bash me. If you want to talk calmly my mail is valid as is. And I don't
think something else important was discussed here before, but I'm not for >flooding, so let's end this.
(For the "nazi" part it was a mail three months ago, in France you can't >quote a mail without the approval of the person who wrote it, but it's ok,
he could even file a complaint against me but then I would produce what
comes out of his server.)
but many trolls, french and US, came to bash me.
Le 18/10/2024 � 15:49, Frank Slootweg a �crit :
If so, as I said, you should have chosen a different 'opponent'. *The
OP* is the one who wants "official censorship" to be carried out by the i2pn2 admin,
No. It's hard not to reply when what I say is constantly twisted. I only
want two accounts to be destroyed, for technical reasons (I may say also
for technical reasons, but the netiquette seems to be completely ignored now).
I could give you another account on i2pn2 which supports Hezbollah,
but no technical abuse, so I don't say anything.
I'm sorry this thread got so long, but many trolls, french and US, came to bash me.
If you want to talk calmly my mail is valid as is. And I don't
think something else important was discussed here before, but I'm not for flooding, so let's end this.
(For the "nazi" part it was a mail three months ago, in France you can't quote a mail without the approval of the person who wrote it, but it's ok,
he could even file a complaint against me but then I would produce what
comes out of his server.)
Le 18/10/2024 � 19:30, Frank Slootweg a �crit :
You've shown no "technical reasons" for getting these accounts deleted.
<news:9bsgTIa0sdYSd0Yt_sVkVKSixeg@jntp>
Le 18/10/2024 � 19:30, Frank Slootweg a �crit :
You've shown no "technical reasons" for getting these accounts deleted.
<news:9bsgTIa0sdYSd0Yt_sVkVKSixeg@jntp>
Thomas Alexandre <[email protected]d> wrote:
Excessive Cross-Posting (ECP) is an abuse.
FSVSVO "Excessive". For most servers, 3 newsgroups isn't anywhere
even close to excessive.
What you're probably referring to cross-posting between some specific groups which is 'not allowed' according to the group(s)' charter.
Le 14 Oct 2024 15:46:09 GMT, Frank Slootweg a écrit :
Thomas Alexandre <[email protected]d> wrote:
Excessive Cross-Posting (ECP) is an abuse.
FSVSVO "Excessive". For most servers, 3 newsgroups isn't anywhere
even close to excessive.
What you're probably referring to cross-posting between some specific
groups which is 'not allowed' according to the group(s)' charter.
On the fr.* hierarchy, crossposting to 3 newsgroups (without a fu2) *is* >excessive and considered as a *network* abuse on all groups on fr.*
I'm really sorry for sniping the remaining of your message but that's the >point everyone is missing in this unreal thread.
Le 18/10/2024 � 20:32, D a �crit :
cross-posting, random cross-posting and troll flooding en masse has
always been acceptable and status quo across unmoderated newsgroups;
That's why people flew away from usenet as quick as they could.
A few years ago I never imagined I could post here because there were
enough people on my little hierarchy, now I can see all the posts (and as
I am forced to filter more and more, sometimes it's 50 a day only, in
which 3 present a kind of interest). See what happens with Twitter/X, Musk >tried exactly what you find normal and people are running away to social >medias that prevent bullying and bad practices. But I'm talking to someone >using Mixmin which was cancelled before because of general bad behaviour
of all the users. Less moderation means less people, before I opened that >thread there were 2 posts a week on nanau (Tim Skirvin's faq and your >answer). I'm not sure even you are happy about that. But I'm still
replying as it is useless, you're really good trolls :)
Thomas Alexandre <[email protected]d> composa la prose suivante:
On the fr.* hierarchy, crossposting to 3 newsgroups (without a fu2) *is* >>excessive and considered as a *network* abuse on all groups on fr.*
Yes.
But all the messages Eric M. [...]
See what happens with Twitter/X, Musk tried exactly what you find
normal and people are running away to social medias that prevent
bullying and bad practices.
Thomas Alexandre <[email protected]d> composa la prose suivante:
Le 14 Oct 2024 15:46:09 GMT, Frank Slootweg a écrit :
Thomas Alexandre <[email protected]d> wrote:
Excessive Cross-Posting (ECP) is an abuse.
FSVSVO "Excessive". For most servers, 3 newsgroups isn't anywhere
even close to excessive.
What you're probably referring to cross-posting between some specific
groups which is 'not allowed' according to the group(s)' charter.
On the fr.* hierarchy, crossposting to 3 newsgroups (without a fu2) *is* >>excessive and considered as a *network* abuse on all groups on fr.*
Yes. But all the messages Eric M. complains about include a
"followup-to".
So these messages are not a network abuse on fr.*
I'm really sorry for sniping the remaining of your message but that's the >>point everyone is missing in this unreal thread.
You don't read the example given by Eric M: all messages have a
followup-to.
And you omit the fact it's actually impossible on i2pn2 server to write
a
message on "fr" hierarchy to 3 newsgroups without a fu2.
I have users that post things I strongly disagree with, but I
don't not prohibit them from expressing these views.
Le Sat, 19 Oct 2024 15:45:32 +0000, Retro Guy a écrit :
Followup-To is required for more than 2 groups in fr.*
Then how did your server allow the following message without any Follow-
up ?
From: Père Sonnes <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.religion,fr.sci.philo
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
It's not the only one.
I also see earlier in this thread, "he crossposted to 8 forums", which
can not be done on i2pn2 so it must have been a different server. i2pn2
limits posting to a max of 6 groups.
As far as I remember, yes it was from a different server (and "Père
Sonnes"
was banned from it).
In addition to the above, i2pn2 limits number of posts per hour for all
users, and for my web interfaces that feed through i2pn2, the limit is
even more restricted.
That's great - and I really mean it.
These are all attempts to limit the amount of abuse that can happen on
my servers, and so far it seems to work well. As I find holes in the
filtering, I'll try to fix it. But I will not restrict ideas and
opinions. I have users that post things I strongly disagree with, but I
don't not prohibit them from expressing these views.
It's not a matter of ideas or opinions.
First it's a matter of technical abuse on the fr hierarchy. You cleary answered that your server forbid xpost to 2+ groups without fu2 (as you stated above). I guess the MID I mentioned was before you enforce
filtering.
Second, and this one is tricky, there are ground rules on fr. Xposting
to
fr.soc.politique (where I can assure you that free speech is totaly
alive)
is considered as an abuse. Posting off topic *on a regular basis* is
also
considered an abuse. It's NOT a matter of opinion, it's just a matter of being on topic.
Followup-To is required for more than 2 groups in fr.*
I also see earlier in this thread, "he crossposted to 8 forums", which
can not be done on i2pn2 so it must have been a different server. i2pn2 limits posting to a max of 6 groups.
In addition to the above, i2pn2 limits number of posts per hour for all users, and for my web interfaces that feed through i2pn2, the limit is
even more restricted.
These are all attempts to limit the amount of abuse that can happen on
my servers, and so far it seems to work well. As I find holes in the filtering, I'll try to fix it. But I will not restrict ideas and
opinions. I have users that post things I strongly disagree with, but I
don't not prohibit them from expressing these views.
Le Sat, 19 Oct 2024 15:45:32 +0000, Retro Guy a �crit�:
Followup-To is required for more than 2 groups in fr.*
Then how did your server allow the following message without any Follow-
up ?
From: P�re Sonnes <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: fr.sci.zetetique,fr.soc.religion,fr.sci.philo
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
It's not the only one.
I also see earlier in this thread, "he crossposted to 8 forums", which
can not be done on i2pn2 so it must have been a different server. i2pn2
limits posting to a max of 6 groups.
As far as I remember, yes it was from a different server (and "P�re Sonnes" >was banned from it).
In addition to the above, i2pn2 limits number of posts per hour for all
users, and for my web interfaces that feed through i2pn2, the limit is
even more restricted.
That's great - and I really mean it.
These are all attempts to limit the amount of abuse that can happen on
my servers, and so far it seems to work well. As I find holes in the
filtering, I'll try to fix it. But I will not restrict ideas and
opinions. I have users that post things I strongly disagree with, but I
don't not prohibit them from expressing these views.
It's not a matter of ideas or opinions.
First it's a matter of technical abuse on the fr hierarchy. You cleary >answered that your server forbid xpost to 2+ groups without fu2 (as you >stated above). I guess the MID I mentioned was before you enforce
filtering.
Second, and this one is tricky, there are ground rules on fr. Xposting to >fr.soc.politique (where I can assure you that free speech is totaly alive)
is considered as an abuse. Posting off topic *on a regular basis* is also >considered an abuse. It's NOT a matter of opinion, it's just a matter of >being on topic.
Nobody can claim that those ground rules are free speech related. I'm >perfectly aware that Europe and US have very different points of view on
this but the fact is : you can express any idea on any group on fr *as long >as you are on topic*.
And the regulations in *my* country (France - that forbid me, by law, to >express a few ideas) are **irrelevant** for this matter.
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Le lundi 29 juillet 2024 � 17:39 , P�re Sonnes, S'est exprim� :
Comment pourrions nous prouver l'existence de Dieu ?
Quelle type de preuves ?
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[...] Posting off topic *on a regular basis* is also
considered an abuse. It's NOT a matter of opinion, it's just a matter of being on topic.
Nobody can claim that those ground rules are free speech related. I'm perfectly aware that Europe and US have very different points of view on
this but the fact is : you can express any idea on any group on fr *as long as you are on topic*.
And the regulations in *my* country (France - that forbid me, by law, to express a few ideas) are **irrelevant** for this matter.
Le 19/10/2024 19:18, Thomas Alexandre a écrit :
[...] Posting off topic *on a regular basis* is also
considered an abuse. It's NOT a matter of opinion, it's just a matter of
being on topic.
I completely agree. Indeed, the two users who have now found refuge at i2pn2 >do this sort of abuse every day (and even every hour for one of them).
They even obtained a majority of votes for the cancellation of their articles: ><news:umh49a$jtn$[email protected]>
(...blabla..)
Out of 11 votes cast, 7 are for cancellation and 4 for not cancelling.
So there's a consensus to cancel.
In conclusion :
Out of 11 votes cast, 7 were in favor of cancellation and 4 against.
There is therefore a consensus in favor of cancellation.
Le Sat, 19 Oct 2024 15:45:32 +0000, Retro Guy a �crit�:[...]
Second, and this one is tricky, there are ground rules on fr. Xposting to fr.soc.politique (where I can assure you that free speech is totaly alive)
is considered as an abuse. Posting off topic *on a regular basis* is also considered an abuse. It's NOT a matter of opinion, it's just a matter of being on topic.
One(¹) has 9 votes against 4(³) for the cancellation of all his crossposts (with
or without followup-to), but not for the cancellation of all his non-crossposted
articles (only 5 votes against 8).
Le 20/10/24 � 11:54, Olivier Miakinen a �crit�:
One(�) has 9 votes against 4(�) for the cancellation of all his crossposts (with
or without followup-to), but not for the cancellation of all his non-crossposted
articles (only 5 votes against 8).
You are a small group of unbridled censors. The only thing that counts
is the rule of 80 more Yes votes than No votes which has always governed >usnet.
Vous etes un groupuscules de censeurs effr�n�s. Seule compte la r�gle de
80 votes Oui de plus que de Non qui a toujours r�gi usnet.
? ? Nursery rhyme for elephant-man:
https://youtu.be/Ns92r5TQH3k?t=116 Birth of a cancelbot : >https://youtu.be/_kKHCVIdUBk?t=21
However, I'm not going to ask i2pn2 to delete their accounts because
their nuisance, although very real on fr.*, doesn't really contravene
i2pn2's rules.
In this thread (and similar earlier ones), the word/term "abuse" is
often used in a context when it's mostly about undesired/unwanted posts
- a "nuisance" as Olivier mentioned - i.e. posts which some people do
not like for whatewver reason. So not abuse *of* the net (note "of", not "off") - abuse which hinders proper operation of the net itself (like
(real) flooding) -, but abuse *on* the net - posts which are a
"nuisance", but do not hinder proper operation of the net itself.
Also in the above example, Xposting to fr.soc.politique and frequent
off topic posting are likely to be abuse *on* the net, not abuse *of*
the net.
Anyway, as I said before, little can be done for both these cases,
other than client-side filtering (by software or just ignoring) and
restraint (not responding to such posts).
On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 17:18:57 +0000, Thomas Alexandre wrote:
Second, and this one is tricky, there are ground rules on fr. Xposting
to fr.soc.politique (where I can assure you that free speech is totaly
alive)
is considered as an abuse. Posting off topic *on a regular basis* is
also considered an abuse. It's NOT a matter of opinion, it's just a
matter of being on topic.
The filter for requiring Followup-To was simple to implement, and I only realized it was a rule for fr.* when I saw usenet.ovh NoCeM listing
articles for that reason. That's when I created the filter.
I'm aware there are other rules for fr.*, but as of now I have only
found a very long writeup of these rules in French. I don't plan to
translate and dig through all that. A simple and concise list in English would be useful if such exists.
I'm not going to create filters for every thing in any hierarchy, but
where it is simple (like the Fu2), I will consider it.
I'm aware there are other rules for fr.*, but as of now I have only
found a very long writeup of these rules in French. I don't plan to
antisemites
It can be done in 2 minutes, just 2 accounts to delete and it's
over.
I'm a Jew. I know full well that the Holocaust didn't occur
Usually, when I write an abuse listing many racist and antesimitic
posts the newsmaster says "ok, it violates the netiquette, I delete
the account", so I was a bit surprised.
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