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  • Cancellation for excessive crossposting on "fr" hierarchy

    From llp@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 26 22:12:11 2024
    Bonjour,

    Since 2021, there has been an FAQ on legitimate cancellations for the
    "fr" hierarchy. Its rules are sometimes different from those for big8
    or other hierarchies.

    Normally, there's no problem with this, as each hierarchy can define
    its own rules of operation.

    However, we currently have point 5 entitled "Cancellation for excessive crossposting", which may have repercussions on other hierarchies.

    The following can be cancelled on the "fr" hierarchy:
    - crossposts in at least three (3) groups without follow-up ;
    - articles with a follow-up in at least three (3) groups;
    - crossposts in at least two different hierarchies (one group in
    group in fr.* and another outside fr.*) without follow-up ;
    - articles with follow-up to at least two different
    hierarchies (one group in fr.* and one outside fr.*).

    For example, a message like: <ungjl4$1gn3i$[email protected]>
    would be voidable as posted on 3 groups without any follow-up.

    In other words, the "fr" hierarchy would impose its policy of
    to all usenet !

    I'd like to hear what you think:
    - do the current deletions via a cancel message seem legitimate to you?
    - would server administrators like to have spam-fr nocems for rules
    specific to the "fr" hierarchy?
    - other(s)?

    Thanks to the "fr" trolls for letting users of other hierarchies
    and internationals news server administrators respond.

    Sincerely,
    Jean-Paul

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  • From D@21:1/5 to llp on Wed Jun 26 22:02:22 2024
    On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:12:11 +0200, llp <[email protected]> wrote:
    Bonjour,
    Since 2021, there has been an FAQ on legitimate cancellations for the
    "fr" hierarchy. Its rules are sometimes different from those for big8
    or other hierarchies.
    Normally, there's no problem with this, as each hierarchy can define
    its own rules of operation.
    However, we currently have point 5 entitled "Cancellation for excessive >crossposting", which may have repercussions on other hierarchies.
    The following can be cancelled on the "fr" hierarchy:
    - crossposts in at least three (3) groups without follow-up ;
    - articles with a follow-up in at least three (3) groups;
    - crossposts in at least two different hierarchies (one group in
    group in fr.* and another outside fr.*) without follow-up ;
    - articles with follow-up to at least two different
    hierarchies (one group in fr.* and one outside fr.*).
    For example, a message like: <ungjl4$1gn3i$[email protected]>
    would be voidable as posted on 3 groups without any follow-up.
    In other words, the "fr" hierarchy would impose its policy of
    to all usenet !
    I'd like to hear what you think:
    - do the current deletions via a cancel message seem legitimate to you?
    - would server administrators like to have spam-fr nocems for rules
    specific to the "fr" hierarchy?
    - other(s)?
    Thanks to the "fr" trolls for letting users of other hierarchies
    and internationals news server administrators respond.
    Sincerely,
    Jean-Paul

    cross-posting really should be eliminated altogether, mainly because spammers/trolls have commonly used x-posting in addition to flooding
    popular newsgroups en masse to maximize their combined and ceaseless
    attempts to disrupt unmoderated usenet newsgroups till the cows come
    home . . . throttling servers that allow posting should be universal

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jun 27 04:49:49 2024
    D <[email protected]> writes:

    cross-posting really should be eliminated altogether, mainly because spammers/trolls have commonly used x-posting in addition to flooding
    popular newsgroups en masse to maximize their combined and ceaseless
    attempts to disrupt unmoderated usenet newsgroups till the cows come
    home . . . throttling servers that allow posting should be universal

    If this were a cross-post, an answer of me would at least have ha the
    chance to show up here without me needing to read this post twice.

    Pro cross-post for adults!

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@21:1/5 to llp on Thu Jun 27 09:00:08 2024
    llp <[email protected]> writes:
    In other words, the "fr" hierarchy would impose its policy of
    to all usenet !

    I'd like to hear what you think:
    - do the current deletions via a cancel message seem legitimate to
    you?

    I think if you’re posting to multiple hierarchies then you get to follow
    the rules of all of those hierarchies simultaneously.

    - would server administrators like to have spam-fr nocems for rules
    specific to the "fr" hierarchy?

    Personally, don’t care.

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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Richard Kettlewell on Fri Jun 28 00:05:10 2024
    Richard Kettlewell wrote:

    I think if you’re posting to multiple hierarchies then you get to follow the rules of all of those hierarchies simultaneously.

    Yep. And so the strictest rules apply.

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