nono le petit robot a exprim� avec pr�cision dans <uro04v$186$[email protected]> :

[cut]

[Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet]

This is a notice for a spam detected by a spamAssassin script.
The message referenced after NCM BODY is probably a spam.

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<https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html>
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#################################
<https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html>
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@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Issuer: [email protected]
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 1
Notice-ID: fr.20240228200501.1260
@@BEGIN NCM BODY
<uro03k$1dv2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
@@END NCM BODY

It doesn't look like spam

Same problem with nocem <uro1jq$4mk$[email protected]>:
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Issuer: [email protected]
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 3
Notice-ID: fr.20240228203001.4802
@@BEGIN NCM BODY
<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
@@END NCM BODY

It doesn't look like spam

Same problem with nocem <url9du$pvs$[email protected]>:
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Issuer: [email protected]
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 1
Notice-ID: fr.20240227192501.26602
@BEGIN NCM BODY
<url95q$3ba9t$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
@@END NCM BODY

It doesn't look like spam

Sincerely

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Thus spake llp <[email protected]>

It doesn't look like spam
Same problem with nocem <uro1jq$4mk$[email protected]>:
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Issuer: [email protected]
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 3
Notice-ID: fr.20240228203001.4802
@@BEGIN NCM BODY
<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
@@END NCM BODY

It doesn't look like spam

Same problem with nocem <url9du$pvs$[email protected]>:
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Issuer: [email protected]
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 1
Notice-ID: fr.20240227192501.26602
@BEGIN NCM BODY
<url95q$3ba9t$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
@@END NCM BODY
It doesn't look like spam

Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

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On Fri, 01 Mar 24 11:05:59 +0000, Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

Le 01/03/2024 a 07:04, Ray Banana a ecrit :

Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

usenet is autonomous and decentralized

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

01/03/2024 07:04, Ray Banana:

Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

I'd don't see any difference between this and the cancellers using
cancel messages as an abuse countermeasure. It's all about the reputation
of the person issuing them.

We've had thread after thread in which several of us pointed out both
false negatives and false positives. The various NoCeM issuers
participating in those threads took it seriously, addressing issues that
were raised. That's how you maintain your reputation.

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Hi,

I've just seen this thread,

llp a tapoté le 01/03/2024 01:00:

<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Nono, will not look at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ...

--
Stéphane
<http://pasdenom.info/news.html>

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Eric M a écrit :

Le 01/03/2024 à 07:04, Ray Banana a écrit :

Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

Thanks Éric

I do not have time at this time to read those bad posts

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

Le 01/03/2024 17:33, Adam H. Kerman:

I'd don't see any difference between this and the cancellers using
cancel messages as an abuse countermeasure. It's all about the reputation >>of the person issuing them.

Yes, but what about the newsmaster of a server depreciating what another >newsmaster does ? I thought usenet was a network where everyone was equal. >And now we have llp attacking three servers at a time (Nemo, PasDeNom ans >Paganini) and the newsmaster of ES participating in this campaign ? Do
they want to destroy the network ?

Ray has his own opinion. He's certainly disagreed with me many times
over the years. I do comment but I'm not a News administrator. I cannot
comment on the quality of yamo's NoCeMs, just making a general comment on reputation.

I take it Ray took a look and felt that some of them weren't issued as
abuse countermeasures.

We've had thread after thread in which several of us pointed out both
false negatives and false positives. The various NoCeM issuers >>participating in those threads took it seriously, addressing issues that >>were raised. That's how you maintain your reputation.

LLP is a troll, he can launch a new thread everyday, that's what he did
with Alphanet, but it appears he wants to kill all the servers that do not >agree with him, he is a danger to what is left of usenet.

Regardless of his desire, he has no such authority. Decentralization is Usenet's greatest virtue.

I don't agree with you. That's over the top.

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Thus spake Eric M <[email protected]>

Yes, but what about the newsmaster of a server depreciating what
another newsmaster does ?

That was not depreciation, but criticism. A NoCeM issuer who publishes a
NoCeM policy should stick to his own policy at all times. Declaring
three of Adam's posts in n.a.n-a.u as "spam" as opposed to "spam2",
"spam3" and "spam4" (cf. https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html) is clearly
in violation of his own published policy and hence detrimental for his reputation as a NoCeM issuer. The NoCeM message llp quoted is not an
individual case, there are more such dubious NoCeM messages;

<uro1jq$4mk$[email protected]>
<ursa4i$7bq$[email protected]>

Discussion and criticism of NoCeM messages in this group is explicitly encouraged by the use of the Followup-To: header in each NoCeM message
and essential to improving the quality of NoCeMs.

And now we have llp attacking three servers at a
time (Nemo, PasDeNom ans Paganini) and the newsmaster of ES
participating in this campaign ? Do they want to destroy the network ?

Straw man fallacy or Classical unsubstantiated pontification, as Tholen
used to say.

I do not participate in any campaigns and I did not mention Nemoweb, let
alone Paganini, my criticism was solely directed at the operator of "nono
le petit robot", for the reason given above.


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https://www.eternal-september.org

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Le 01/03/2024, yamo' a suppos� :

Hi,

I've just seen this thread,

llp a tapot� le 01/03/2024 01:00:

<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Nono, will not look at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ...

And so nocem <uro1jq$4mk$[email protected]> come from ?

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

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On 01 Mar 2024, "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]> posted some news:urt01e$1apr6$[email protected]:

Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

01/03/2024 07:04, Ray Banana:

Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

I'd don't see any difference between this and the cancellers using
cancel messages as an abuse countermeasure. It's all about the
reputation of the person issuing them.

We've had thread after thread in which several of us pointed out both
false negatives and false positives. The various NoCeM issuers
participating in those threads took it seriously, addressing issues
that were raised. That's how you maintain your reputation.

Never mind that some of the issuers use it as a personal weapon to
censor posters who rub them raw, re: the Edmond Wollmann era. Ed did
have a way of inviting it though.

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Thus spake yamo' <[email protected]d>

<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Hi, could you, please, check the following false positives:

2024-02-25 16:15:02 <urfp26$7lg$[email protected]> <urfp0j$f99$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
2024-02-25 21:15:02 <urgakm$bua$[email protected]> <urgajg$22g45$[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-25 21:55:02 <urgcvm$h62$[email protected]> <urgbs2$22t7u$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals
2024-02-25 23:15:03 <urghln$qtb$[email protected]> <urgh6d$24l7j$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals
2024-02-26 05:42:03 <urh8bb$2mi$[email protected]> <urh3g7$2mm6$[email protected]> news.admin.peering
2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 12:05:02 <urhupe$ej0$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 13:42:02 <uri4fa$pj7$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 16:15:02 <uride6$d2u$[email protected]> <urid51$2ke0h$[email protected]> news.admin.peering
2024-02-26 21:42:03 <urj0jb$k8t$[email protected]> <uriv0r$2oi5i$[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 23:42:02 <urj7ka$1lh$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-27 05:42:02 <urjsna$5pl$[email protected]> <urjnhl$30pvi$[email protected]> news.software.readers
2024-02-27 16:10:03 <url1gr$apn$[email protected]> <urknhu$37cem$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals
2024-02-27 18:25:02 <url9du$pvs$[email protected]> <url95q$3ba9t$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
2024-02-28 19:05:03 <uro04v$186$[email protected]> <uro03k$1dv2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
2024-03-01 10:20:02 <ursa4i$7bq$[email protected]> <ursa3g$rpl$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.misc
2024-03-01 17:42:03 <urt41b$sse$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

Thanks in advance.

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https://www.eternal-september.org

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On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 05:00:09 +0100, Ray Banana <[email protected]> wrote: >Thus spake yamo' <[email protected]d>

<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Hi, could you, please, check the following false positives:
2024-02-25 16:15:02 <urfp26$7lg$[email protected]> <urfp0j$f99$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

From: [email protected] (Scott Dorsey)

2024-02-25 21:15:02 <urgakm$bua$[email protected]> <urgajg$22g45$[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: HenHanna <[email protected]>

2024-02-25 21:55:02 <urgcvm$h62$[email protected]> <urgbs2$22t7u$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>

2024-02-25 23:15:03 <urghln$qtb$[email protected]> <urgh6d$24l7j$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 05:42:03 <urh8bb$2mi$[email protected]> <urh3g7$2mm6$[email protected]> news.admin.peering

From: Frankie <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: oldernow <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: D <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: Colin Macleod <[email protected]d>

2024-02-26 12:05:02 <urhupe$ej0$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: oldernow <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 13:42:02 <uri4fa$pj7$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: Colin Macleod <[email protected]d>

2024-02-26 16:15:02 <uride6$d2u$[email protected]> <urid51$2ke0h$[email protected]> news.admin.peering

From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >2024-02-26 21:42:03 <urj0jb$k8t$[email protected]> <uriv0r$2oi5i$[email protected]> news.software.readers
From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >2024-02-26 23:42:02 <urj7ka$1lh$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers
From: Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]>

2024-02-27 05:42:02 <urjsna$5pl$[email protected]> <urjnhl$30pvi$[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: RonB <[email protected]>

2024-02-27 16:10:03 <url1gr$apn$[email protected]> <urknhu$37cem$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

From: immibis <[email protected]>

2024-02-27 18:25:02 <url9du$pvs$[email protected]> <url95q$3ba9t$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>

2024-02-28 19:05:03 <uro04v$186$[email protected]> <uro03k$1dv2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>

2024-03-01 10:20:02 <ursa4i$7bq$[email protected]> <ursa3g$rpl$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.misc

From: The Doctor <[email protected]>

2024-03-01 17:42:03 <urt41b$sse$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: VanguardLH <[email protected]>

Thanks in advance.

only curious . . . looks random, not selective . . . muddying the waters?

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D <J@M> wrote at 15:30 this Saturday (GMT):

On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 05:00:09 +0100, Ray Banana <[email protected]> wrote:

Thus spake yamo' <[email protected]d>

<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Hi, could you, please, check the following false positives:
2024-02-25 16:15:02 <urfp26$7lg$[email protected]> <urfp0j$f99$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

From: [email protected] (Scott Dorsey)

2024-02-25 21:15:02 <urgakm$bua$[email protected]> <urgajg$22g45$[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: HenHanna <[email protected]>

2024-02-25 21:55:02 <urgcvm$h62$[email protected]> <urgbs2$22t7u$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>

2024-02-25 23:15:03 <urghln$qtb$[email protected]> <urgh6d$24l7j$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 05:42:03 <urh8bb$2mi$[email protected]> <urh3g7$2mm6$[email protected]> news.admin.peering

From: Frankie <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: oldernow <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: D <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: Colin Macleod <[email protected]d>

2024-02-26 12:05:02 <urhupe$ej0$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: oldernow <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 13:42:02 <uri4fa$pj7$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: Colin Macleod <[email protected]d>

2024-02-26 16:15:02 <uride6$d2u$[email protected]> <urid51$2ke0h$[email protected]> news.admin.peering

From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]>

2024-02-26 21:42:03 <urj0jb$k8t$[email protected]> <uriv0r$2oi5i$[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]>

? Why am I being flagged?

2024-02-26 23:42:02 <urj7ka$1lh$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]>

2024-02-27 05:42:02 <urjsna$5pl$[email protected]> <urjnhl$30pvi$[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: RonB <[email protected]>

2024-02-27 16:10:03 <url1gr$apn$[email protected]> <urknhu$37cem$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

From: immibis <[email protected]>

2024-02-27 18:25:02 <url9du$pvs$[email protected]> <url95q$3ba9t$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>

2024-02-28 19:05:03 <uro04v$186$[email protected]> <uro03k$1dv2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email protected]>

2024-03-01 10:20:02 <ursa4i$7bq$[email protected]> <ursa3g$rpl$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.misc

From: The Doctor <[email protected]>

2024-03-01 17:42:03 <urt41b$sse$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

From: VanguardLH <[email protected]>

Thanks in advance.

only curious . . . looks random, not selective . . . muddying the waters?

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Thus spake Eric M <[email protected]>

Le 04/03/2024 à 17:55, candycanearter07 a écrit :

From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >>> From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]>

? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports
about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage
his reputation.

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote at 17:40 this Monday (GMT):

Le 04/03/2024 à 17:55, candycanearter07 a écrit :

From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >>> From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]>

? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.
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Thus spake candycanearter07 <[email protected]>

Eric M <[email protected]> wrote at 17:40 this Monday (GMT):

Le 04/03/2024 à 17:55, candycanearter07 a écrit :

From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >>>> From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >>> ? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.

PMFJI, I think you made a mistake with your mail address. You got
permission to use nomail.afraid.org and not a non-existent subdomain of
it. The domain nomail.afraid does not exist, just like the top level
domain .afraid,

Does yamo issue NoCeMs for non-existent domain names in the from address?

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Пу́тін — хуйло́
https://www.eternal-september.org

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Ray Banana <[email protected]> wrote at 20:55 this Monday (GMT):

Thus spake candycanearter07 <[email protected]>

Eric M <[email protected]> wrote at 17:40 this Monday (GMT):

Le 04/03/2024 à 17:55, candycanearter07 a écrit :

From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >>>>> From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >>>> ? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.

PMFJI, I think you made a mistake with your mail address. You got
permission to use nomail.afraid.org and not a non-existent subdomain of
it. The domain nomail.afraid does not exist, just like the top level
domain .afraid,

Does yamo issue NoCeMs for non-existent domain names in the from address?

Oh maybe..
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user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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candycanearter07 a formul� ce lundi :

Ray Banana <[email protected]> wrote at 20:55 this Monday (GMT):

Thus spake candycanearter07
<[email protected]>

Eric M <[email protected]> wrote at 17:40 this Monday (GMT):

Le 04/03/2024 � 17:55, candycanearter07 a �crit :

From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >>>>>> From: candycanearter07 <[email protected]> >>>>> ? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.

PMFJI, I think you made a mistake with your mail address. You got
permission to use nomail.afraid.org and not a non-existent subdomain of
it. The domain nomail.afraid does not exist, just like the top level
domain .afraid,

Does yamo issue NoCeMs for non-existent domain names in the from address?

Oh maybe..

Or maybe not.
You're not the only contributor to this group to have been unwittingly
targeted by yamo nocems.

We'll probably never know as yamo said:
"Nono, will not look at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ..."

nota: "nono" is the name of his bot.

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

Le 04/03/2024 � 19:29, Ray Banana a �crit :

Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage
his reputation.

I repeat myself one last time, you are not a judge, yamo' can broadcast
any NoCems he wants, if you have a problem with them don't use them. EOT, there is really nothing to add.

Again, you defend the indefensible.

Face it, yamo' posts NoCems for perfectly legit articles, which
amounts to censorship. But he *claims* he only addresses 'spam' ("99.99%
spam" <https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html>).

He apparently refuses to stand behind what he's doing, while *he*
(correctly) directs "Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet" (see for
example <uro1jq$4mk$[email protected]>).

So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

Saying that Ray is free to not use yamo's NoCems is a copout to deflect
from the real issue.

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Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

04/03/2024 19:29, Ray Banana:

Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this >>>question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports >>>about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage >>>his reputation.

I repeat myself one last time, you are not a judge, yamo' can broadcast
any NoCems he wants, if you have a problem with them don't use them. EOT, >>there is really nothing to add.

Again, you defend the indefensible.

He cannot be forced to express an opinion about yamo's reputation if he
doesn't care to.

Face it, yamo' posts NoCems for perfectly legit articles, which
amounts to censorship. But he *claims* he only addresses 'spam' ("99.99% >spam" <https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html>).

Please don't go over-the-top. I'm affected by this, same as you and
others posting in NANAU. A censor acts on behalf of the state. Yamo' is
not acting on anyone's behalf but his own. Not all suppression of speech
and publication is censorship as an act of a public official.

He apparently refuses to stand behind what he's doing, while *he*
(correctly) directs "Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet" (see for >example <uro1jq$4mk$[email protected]>).

So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

Saying that Ray is free to not use yamo's NoCems is a copout to deflect
from the real issue.

I've said the same thing, that the reputation of the issuer of cancels
or NoCeMs as abuse countermeasures is what's important. Anybody can
issue these.

yamo' controls his own reputation.

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

Le 05/03/2024 � 14:26, Frank Slootweg a �crit :

So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

No, it's bullying. Nobody *has* to reply to you, you are not a judge, you
are not an authority, you are using Individual.net, so you are not even concerned.

Ray, others and I have legitimate questions/concerns on what yamo' is
doing. If anyone is bullying, it's you, because you are telling us what
we can and can not discuss in this group.

And please drop the "judge" nonsense and look in the mirror when you
don't.

As to authority: Pot, kettle, ... (Actually, I am more an 'authority'
than you are, but it doesn't matter. "Users are people too!")

And who says using News.Individual.Net means that it does not concern
me? Do you know which NoCems are (not) processed by NIN?

If you want usenet to close, go on like that.

You're supposed to give a beverage alert before things like that.

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

05/03/2024 14:26, Frank Slootweg:

So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

No, it's bullying. Nobody *has* to reply to you, you are not a judge, you
are not an authority, you are using Individual.net, so you are not even >concerned. If you want usenet to close, go on like that.

I'll make the same request of you that I made of Frank Slootweg: Don't
go over the top. You are not obligated to express an opinion about
yamo's reputation. That's your right. But commenting about whether yamo'
is maintaining a good reputation is not bullying.

There is actual judgment of yamo's reputation taking place by those who
run Usenet: the News administrators. If yamo' cannot maintain his
reputation with them, they won't accept his NoCeMs.

The rest of us are commenting without being News administrators
ourselves. We get to do that. It's unmoderated Usenet.

You post in NANAU. Weren't NoCeMs issued against your articles too?

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

Le 05/03/2024 � 17:25, Frank Slootweg a �crit :

Ray, others and I have legitimate questions/concerns on what yamo' is doing.

No, they are not, and it's not Ray, it's LLP who is mad because yamo' depeered him after Marc Schaefer left usenet because of the same bullying.

Well, you told Ray "you are not a judge", so apparently it *is* also
about Ray.

As to your tiff with llp, we don't care. Well, I don't, because it's
just your word and I've seen enough bullying from your 'side' (plural).

So, do you want to kill usenet :

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Whether I ticked either box, it wouldn't mean/change a thing, so I'm
afraid Silly Games R Not Us.

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

05/03/2024 17:58, Adam H. Kerman:

I'll make the same request of you that I made of Frank Slootweg: Don't
go over the top. You are not obligated to express an opinion about
yamo's reputation. That's your right. But commenting about whether yamo'
is maintaining a good reputation is not bullying.

I know who launched this stupid discussion.

I had disagreed with llp about cancels, but the NoCeMs include my
articles. There are no bright lines here separating sides as you are
trying to convince everyone of.

There is actual judgment of yamo's reputation taking place by those who
run Usenet: the News administrators. If yamo' cannot maintain his >>reputation with them, they won't accept his NoCeMs.

Well, ok, some of them won't, the same that already don't accept them,
what's the point ?

It's unmoderated Usenet. We're having a discussion.

The rest of us are commenting without being News administrators
ourselves. We get to do that. It's unmoderated Usenet.

Being a newsmaster doesn't make you a god, it just proves you have time to >lose :)

You post in NANAU. Weren't NoCeMs issued against your articles too?

I don't think so, LLP canceled some of my posts for no reason but he
denies it.

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Adam H. Kerman <[email protected]> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

04/03/2024 19:29, Ray Banana:

Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this >>>question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports >>>about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage >>>his reputation.

I repeat myself one last time, you are not a judge, yamo' can broadcast >>any NoCems he wants, if you have a problem with them don't use them. EOT, >>there is really nothing to add.

Again, you defend the indefensible.

He cannot be forced to express an opinion about yamo's reputation if he doesn't care to.

Of course he can't be forced, but that doesn't give him the right/
excuse to attack others who question yamo's actions. (Of course he *can*
attack others, but then he'll have to face the consequences. Which is
exactly what happened.)

Face it, yamo' posts NoCems for perfectly legit articles, which
amounts to censorship. But he *claims* he only addresses 'spam' ("99.99% >spam" <https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html>).

Please don't go over-the-top. I'm affected by this, same as you and
others posting in NANAU. A censor acts on behalf of the state. Yamo' is
not acting on anyone's behalf but his own. Not all suppression of speech
and publication is censorship as an act of a public official.

Censorship is not limited to the state or/and a public official, but
granted, censorship is normally not from a single individual. Your
"suppression of speech" is indeed better and hence fine by me.

He apparently refuses to stand behind what he's doing, while *he*
(correctly) directs "Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet" (see for >example <uro1jq$4mk$[email protected]>).

So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

Saying that Ray is free to not use yamo's NoCems is a copout to deflect
from the real issue.

I've said the same thing, that the reputation of the issuer of cancels
or NoCeMs as abuse countermeasures is what's important. Anybody can
issue these.

yamo' controls his own reputation.

Indeed. And we get to question it, in the face of facts. And that's
what we did.

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Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

05/03/2024 19:37, Adam H. Kerman:

I had disagreed with llp about cancels, but the NoCeMs include my
articles. There are no bright lines here separating sides as you are
trying to convince everyone of.

Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today it's >PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

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Le 05/03/2024 20:34, Adam H. Kerman a �crit :

Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:

Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today it's >>PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

You are right, let him talk and ignore him.

� As the saying goes, it takes two (or more) to Tango ;-) � (� Ray Banana)

--
Olivier Miakinen

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Ray Banana <[email protected]> wrote:

Thus spake Eric M <[email protected]>

05/03/2024 20:34, Adam H. Kerman:

Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today >>>>it's PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

I could take a look at his NoCems, I'm sure I would find many strange >>things too, but I don't have the time for this, not anymore.

You are not a judge ;-P

I, for one, test all NoCems from all sources, even
my own, before I accept them on E-S. My users will first complain to me,

I'm so glad we users have our uses.

when articles are missing on the server and I will then find out who
sent these NoCeMs. If it looks like false positives, I will alert the
issuer of the notices, just like other newsadmins will do with my
notices. Except yamo'. they all replied and took the necessary action.
Except yamo', we all know we are not infallible.

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Thus spake Eric M <[email protected]>

Le 05/03/2024 à 20:34, "Adam H. Kerman" a écrit :

Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today
it's PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

I could take a look at his NoCems, I'm sure I would find many strange
things too, but I don't have the time for this, not anymore.

You are not a judge ;-P

I, for one, test all NoCems from all sources, even
my own, before I accept them on E-S. My users will first complain to me,
when articles are missing on the server and I will then find out who
sent these NoCeMs. If it looks like false positives, I will alert the
issuer of the notices, just like other newsadmins will do with my
notices. Except yamo'. they all replied and took the necessary action.
Except yamo', we all know we are not infallible.


--
Пу́тін — хуйло́
https://www.eternal-september.org

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yamo' <[email protected]d> wrote:

I've just seen this thread,

Me too.

<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

So you don't have them flagged as spam in the logs, but your bot still
sent NoCeMs for them for some reason? It might be an issue worth investigating...

Nono, will not look at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ...

I don't think that whitelisting one group will fix this bug. It might
reappear on another groups.

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Hi,

I've been away from usenet since 1st march.

Ray Banana a tapot� :

Thus spake yamo' <[email protected]d>

<uro1cn$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Hi, could you, please, check the following false positives:

2024-02-25 16:15:02 <urfp26$7lg$[email protected]> <urfp0j$f99$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

I've seen it. Nono doesn't like crossposts and is trained on fr.
Already marked has ham.

2024-02-25 21:15:02 <urgakm$bua$[email protected]> <urgajg$22g45$[email protected]> news.software.readers

The style may be like a french troller...
Fixed but may be varying...

2024-02-25 21:55:02 <urgcvm$h62$[email protected]> <urgbs2$22t7u$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

I added exceptions.

2024-02-25 23:15:03 <urghln$qtb$[email protected]> <urgh6d$24l7j$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

The same.

2024-02-26 05:42:03 <urh8bb$2mi$[email protected]> <urh3g7$2mm6$[email protected]> news.admin.peering

Surely the neodome reputation...

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

Only spam3 and now when reread not seen as spam.

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

Only spam3, marked has ham.

2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

The same.

2024-02-26 12:05:02 <urhupe$ej0$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

Spam2 and now not seen as spam.

2024-02-26 13:42:02 <uri4fa$pj7$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

Only spam3 and now not seen as spam.

2024-02-26 16:15:02 <uride6$d2u$[email protected]> <urid51$2ke0h$[email protected]> news.admin.peering

Too much quote for nono so looked like as a spam and now not seen as spam. Probably because of precedent posts marked as ham.

2024-02-26 21:42:03 <urj0jb$k8t$[email protected]> <uriv0r$2oi5i$[email protected]> news.software.readers

An error in a rule for the flood writer.com.
Fixed.

2024-02-26 23:42:02 <urj7ka$1lh$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

Only spam3.
Reference to some loans like in many spams...
Fixed.

2024-02-27 05:42:02 <urjsna$5pl$[email protected]> <urjnhl$30pvi$[email protected]> news.software.readers

Only spam3. Loans and a bug on a rule on drugs.
Marked has ham.
Fixed.

2024-02-27 16:10:03 <url1gr$apn$[email protected]> <urknhu$37cem$[email protected]> news.groups.proposals

Fixed with an exception.

2024-02-27 18:25:02 <url9du$pvs$[email protected]> <url95q$3ba9t$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

Strange. Actually not seen as spam.

2024-02-28 19:05:03 <uro04v$186$[email protected]> <uro03k$1dv2$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

The same.

2024-03-01 10:20:02 <ursa4i$7bq$[email protected]> <ursa3g$rpl$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.misc

A guy who is often quoting spam...

2024-03-01 17:42:03 <urt41b$sse$[email protected]> <[email protected]> news.software.readers

Bugs in a rule, marked has ham.

Thanks in advance.

--
St�phane
Soory for my bad English.

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Thus spake yamo' <[email protected]d>

Hi,

I've been away from usenet since 1st march.

[...]

2024-03-01 10:20:02 <ursa4i$7bq$[email protected]> <ursa3g$rpl$[email protected]> news.admin.net-abuse.misc

A guy who is often quoting spam...

Well, he likes full quotes with WOL (Witless One Liners) added ;-)

Bugs in a rule, marked has ham.

Thank you for looking into these issues and fixing the rules.

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Salut,
Adam W. a tapoté le 07/03/2024 00:13:

I don't think that whitelisting one group will fix this bug. It might reappear on another groups.

My spamassassin is trained on fr.* and doesn't like non-french posts so
before finding the good solutions only looking fr.* is a solution...

--
Stéphane
<http://pasdenom.info/news.html>

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