On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4, Jim Breen wrote:
Any ideas on how to stop the flood of Thai spam?
Who has the moderation ability in this group to actually delete spam? If
one of us normally reports it, it will hide it from the person who reports it, but not anyone else in the room. Google might look into it further, but there's no guarantee anything else will happen.
Someone with moderation ability should be able to actually delete these messages from the group, but without Google taking action to actually block these accounts, it would seem to require constant moderation to clear out
the spam.
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9792297?hl=en
I've reported literally thousands of the spam messages in this group lately, and I don't think it's accomplished much of anything. I'm open to ideas.
[ Crossposting to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ]
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 04:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
J Stressman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4, Jim Breen wrote:
Any ideas on how to stop the flood of Thai spam?
Who has the moderation ability in this group to actually delete spam? If
one of us normally reports it, it will hide it from the person who reports >> it, but not anyone else in the room. Google might look into it further, but >> there's no guarantee anything else will happen.
Someone with moderation ability should be able to actually delete these
messages from the group, but without Google taking action to actually block >> these accounts, it would seem to require constant moderation to clear out
the spam.
First things first : usenet is *** not *** googlegroups. googlegroups simply >provides a web interface to usenet.
sci.lang.japan is unmoderated. Even with a moderated newsgroup , after a >message gets approved by the moderator , it gets transmitted to many servers >around the world. Each server has its own filtering policies and only the >administrator of that particular server can delete messages , for whatever >reason. The original approving moderator no longer can affect the decision.
The right place to discuss usenet spam is news.admin.net-abuse.usenet and >indeed there have been dozens of posts on the issue in the last few weeks. I >note that sci.lang.japan is not the worst hit group.
But many people also raise the issue on some of the affected groups , either >because they don't know of the existence of news.admin.net-abuse.usenet or >because they are reluctant to venture beyond their usual usenet hang-outs. >This is a poor state of affairs because it means that the same discussions >get repeated again and again on many different groups (and it's off-topic for >most of them) and the transmission of useful information happens a lot more >slowly than it could otherwise.
I will summarise here the conclusions for the residents of sci.lang.japan ; >regular readers of news.admin.net-abuse.usenet won't learn anything new.
googlegroups seems to be abandonware and reports of spam using the >googlegroups facility have at most as a result to hide the spam from the user >who did the reporting when they are logged in to their Google account ; but >there don't seem to be in operation any googlegroups filters which get >trained by the reporting so that they prevent any new spam from being >injected. So reporting the spam through googlegroups is mostly a waste of >time. I don't expect this will change.
The only solution for people who use googlegroups to access usenet (or >sci.lang.japan in particular) is to switch to using a newsreader. Advice on >that can be had from news.software.readers .Most newsreaders offer filtering >facilities and using those it should be easy to remove most of the spam. But >even without using those , some servers already filter most of the spam. For >example news.i2pn2.org (but it occasionally goes too far ; for example it >has filtered the opening post of this thread).
Whether sci.lang.japan is going to die depends on various factors. The >group doesn't get many legitimate posts anyway. From the few it gets , my >estimate is that around 40% of the posters use googlegroups. If they are >willing to do the extra effort now and switch to using a newsreader , the >group will continue to do no worse (and possibly no better) than it does
now. If they can't be bothered to switch to using a newsreader , they may >eventually simply get fed up and stop using the group altogether. Even then
, sci.lang.japan won't die but it will be worse off. Naturally , I hope they >will choose the first option.
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9792297?hl=en
I've reported literally thousands of the spam messages in this group lately, >> and I don't think it's accomplished much of anything. I'm open to ideas.
Many people over the years have. They have all said that it's a waste of >time.
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on >sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter
the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters >off and you can form your own opinion.
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
In article <[email protected]>,
Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on >sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter >the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters >off and you can form your own opinion.
I am blocking GG on my server so I might have to use GG :-(
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 04:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
J Stressman <[email protected]> wrote:.
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9792297?hl=en
Is this [sci.lang.japan] like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
[ Crossposting to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ]
I will summarise here the conclusions for the residents of sci.lang.japan ; regular readers of news.admin.net-abuse.usenet won't learn anything new.
googlegroups seems to be abandonware and reports of spam using the googlegroups facility have at most as a result to hide the spam from the user who did the reporting when they are logged in to their Google account ; but there don't seem to be in operation any googlegroups filters which get trained by the reporting so that they prevent any new spam from being injected. So reporting the spam through googlegroups is mostly a waste of time. I don't expect this will change.
The only solution for people who use googlegroups to access usenet (or sci.lang.japan in particular) is to switch to using a newsreader. Advice on that can be had from news.software.readers .Most newsreaders offer filtering facilities and using those it should be easy to remove most of the spam. But even without using those , some servers already filter most of the spam. For example news.i2pn2.org (but it occasionally goes too far ; for example it has filtered the opening post of this thread).
Whether sci.lang.japan is going to die depends on various factors. The group doesn't get many legitimate posts anyway. From the few it gets , my estimate is that around 40% of the posters use googlegroups. If they are willing to do the extra effort now and switch to using a newsreader , the group will continue to do no worse (and possibly no better) than it does
now. If they can't be bothered to switch to using a newsreader , they may eventually simply get fed up and stop using the group altogether. Even then
, sci.lang.japan won't die but it will be worse off. Naturally , I hope they will choose the first option.
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9792297?hl=en
I've reported literally thousands of the spam messages in this group lately, >> and I don't think it's accomplished much of anything. I'm open to ideas.
Many people over the years have. They have all said that it's a waste of time.
On 23/10/2023 15:20, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 04:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
J Stressman <[email protected]> wrote:.
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9792297?hl=en
That has a "Was this article helpful (y/n)?" at the bottom.
Say "no" and use the feedback form to explain to GG what usenet is.
Maybe it'll get someone at Google's attention. (Probably just get
ignored like everything else)
In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet The Doctor <[email protected]> wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
If it's Thai then probably like pl.soc.polityka. It's getting spammed in >large amounts in some Asian language. Spamassassin on E-S (propagated with >NoCeMs) catches many such posts, but some still get through. I took a look
at sci.lang.japan and it looks similar to what's on pl.soc.polityka.
The rule to remove these messages should be simple (just detect some >characters from that alphabet in subject, that's one thing these posts
have in common) and some posters already do it on their side. I'll play
with it on my server. I'll check if these posts have References or not. If >not, then I'll probably make a rule to exclude posts with References from
the filter (to avoid killing a post if a legitimate poster responds to a
spam -- it's not advisable, but shouldn't be punishable).
Note to Google Groups users from SLJ: you should consider installing a >newsreader (a program for reading Usenet) and getting access to one of >newsservers (many are free, run by volunteers, and some even don't require >any registration). Then at least you'll be able to filter these messages
with a rule in the newsreader program (if they're not already filtered on
the server you choose). If you don't find a suitable server, let us know
in this thread (many newsadmins read the group this message was
crossposted to).
I have a feeling that Google Groups will be killed one day anyway (to the >great relief of many newsadmins), like many other Google products before >them.
and actually most of the code is from Jurgen Haible's excellent local mail- >and newsserver Hamster.[end quote]
What is Scoring?
Scoring is the process of assigning a number between -9999 and +9999 to a >message by applying scoring rules to the message. A scoring rule usually >analyzes one header field of the message and if it this header field matches >a certain text, a score value is assigned. For example, you can create a >scoring rule that assign the highest score value +9999 to all messages that >have your email address in the From header field, so that your messages >always receive a score of +9999.
The score value is shown in the header list in green for positive scores
and in red for negative scores:
Note that the list of headers can be sorted by score (with or without >threading), so scoring can be used to visually organize and separate >important from unimportant messages...."
In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet The Doctor <[email protected]> wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
If it's Thai then probably like pl.soc.polityka. It's getting spammed in >large amounts in some Asian language. Spamassassin on E-S (propagated with >NoCeMs) catches many such posts, but some still get through. I took a look
at sci.lang.japan and it looks similar to what's on pl.soc.polityka.
The rule to remove these messages should be simple (just detect some >characters from that alphabet in subject, that's one thing these posts
have in common) and some posters already do it on their side. I'll play
with it on my server. I'll check if these posts have References or not. If >not, then I'll probably make a rule to exclude posts with References from
the filter (to avoid killing a post if a legitimate poster responds to a
spam -- it's not advisable, but shouldn't be punishable).
Note to Google Groups users from SLJ: you should consider installing a >newsreader (a program for reading Usenet) and getting access to one of >newsservers (many are free, run by volunteers, and some even don't require >any registration). Then at least you'll be able to filter these messages
with a rule in the newsreader program (if they're not already filtered on
the server you choose). If you don't find a suitable server, let us know
in this thread (many newsadmins read the group this message was
crossposted to).
I have a feeling that Google Groups will be killed one day anyway (to the >great relief of many newsadmins), like many other Google products before >them.
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
Note to Google Groups users from SLJ: you should considerinstalling a
newsservers (many are free, run by volunteers, and some even don'trequire
any registration). Then at least you'll be able to filter thesemessages
with a rule in the newsreader program (if they're not alreadyfiltered on
the server you choose)
Note to Google Groups users from SLJ: you should consider installing a newsreader (a program for reading Usenet) and getting access to one of newsservers (many are free, run by volunteers, and some even don't require any registration). Then at least you'll be able to filter these messages
with a rule in the newsreader program (if they're not already filtered on
the server you choose). If you don't find a suitable server, let us know
in this thread (many newsadmins read the group this message was
crossposted to).
[email protected]d (Adam W.) wrote:
Note to Google Groups users from SLJ: you should considerinstalling a
newsreader (a program for reading Usenet) and getting access to one
of
newsservers (many are free, run by volunteers, and some even don'trequire
any registration). Then at least you'll be able to filter thesemessages
with a rule in the newsreader program (if they're not alreadyfiltered on
the server you choose)
eternal-september.org is free and seems to be successfully filtering
the spam - I've seen none of the spam being referred to on slj.
(Just a shame there's almost no real traffic these days either!)
On 23/10/2023 15:20, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
[ Crossposting to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ]
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 04:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
J Stressman <[email protected]> wrote:.
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9792297?hl=en
That has a "Was this article helpful (y/n)?" at the bottom.
Say "no" and use the feedback form to explain to GG what usenet is.
Maybe it'll get someone at Google's attention. (Probably just get
ignored like everything else)
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 18:55:32 +0100snip
Richard Harnden <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 23/10/2023 15:20, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:The link has things like "To locate a group that you don't own" and also
[ Crossposting to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ]
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 04:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
J Stressman <[email protected]> wrote:.
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9792297?hl=en
If you're the owner of a group that has been marked as spam or has a lot
spam content, you might want to delete the whole group. You can't restore
a group after you delete it.
.This suggests that the page is intended for the googlegroups message boards >rather than the googlegroups interface to usenet. The last piece of advice is >so ludicrous that it suggests that Google also considers its own message >boards abandonware.
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 00:11:19 -0000 (UTC) >[email protected]d (Adam W.) wrote:
Note to Google Groups users from SLJ: you should consider installing a
newsreader (a program for reading Usenet) and getting access to one of
newsservers (many are free, run by volunteers, and some even don't require >> any registration). Then at least you'll be able to filter these messages
with a rule in the newsreader program (if they're not already filtered on
the server you choose). If you don't find a suitable server, let us know
in this thread (many newsadmins read the group this message was
crossposted to).
Even simpler , they should save the thread "Free News Servers Listing" from >April 2023 on news.admin.peering .
A list of free news server providers now lives at: >https://sybershock.com/#usenet[end quote]
Peer operators and usenetizens: if there are more that may be added to
the list please post them here or send to the sysop email on the site
or in this message header.
I would like to find and list every free NNTP host possible. This
should include local niche sites that don't feed yet do allow public
access.
The Doctor <[email protected]> wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
If it's Thai then probably like pl.soc.polityka. It's getting spammed in large amounts in some Asian language. Spamassassin on E-S (propagated with NoCeMs) catches many such posts, but some still get through. I took a look
at sci.lang.japan and it looks similar to what's on pl.soc.polityka.
The rule to remove these messages should be simple (just detect some characters from that alphabet in subject, that's one thing these posts
have in common) and some posters already do it on their side. I'll play
with it on my server.
I have a feeling that Google Groups will be killed one day anyway (to the great relief of many newsadmins), like many other Google products before them.
There’s a _lot_ of other spam left in comp.lang.c even after eliminating
the Thai-characters messages though. I’ve not yet identified enough
commonality to kill it.
The Doctor <[email protected]> wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
If it's Thai then probably like pl.soc.polityka. It's getting spammed in
large amounts in some Asian language. Spamassassin on E-S (propagated with >> NoCeMs) catches many such posts, but some still get through. I took a look >> at sci.lang.japan and it looks similar to what's on pl.soc.polityka.
The rule to remove these messages should be simple (just detect some
characters from that alphabet in subject, that's one thing these posts
have in common) and some posters already do it on their side. I'll play
with it on my server.
It needs RFC2047-decoding if you’re doing it in a server-side filter,
which is annoying but doable.
There’s a _lot_ of other spam left in comp.lang.c even after eliminating >the Thai-characters messages though. I’ve not yet identified enough >commonality to kill it.
I have a feeling that Google Groups will be killed one day anyway (to the
great relief of many newsadmins), like many other Google products before
them.
Google products do tend to get withdrawn...
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On 24.10.2023 19:06, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
There’s a _lot_ of other spam left in comp.lang.c even after eliminating >>the Thai-characters messages though. I’ve not yet identified enough >>commonality to kill it.
HTH, e.g., in the subject line:
(1)
จจ่าย "to pay"
ทางเข้า "access; get in"
ฟรีเครดิต "free credit"
สล็อต "slots", i.e. "slot machines", for gam(bl)ing ชื่อเกม "game/play name"
(2)
Some emojis used in the subject line, such as:
✳️ ✅ ➡️ 👉 👑 🏰
(3)
Among the most relevant words used in the subject line as well as
in the text body:
(4)
Yet way better to put "ignore" on the start-figures of the used ISP
numbers (under "NNTP-Posting-Host" and/or in the "Injection-Info"),
such as:
"103.138.1"
"2a0e:a942:"
"2a0d:5600:"
"47.185.2"
"45.114."
"96.9." (in Phnom Penh)
"103.55.3" (in Djakarta)
In article <[email protected]>,
Richard Kettlewell <[email protected]d> wrote:
[email protected]d (Adam W.) writes:
I have a feeling that Google Groups will be killed one day anyway (to the >>> great relief of many newsadmins), like many other Google products before >>> them.
Google products do tend to get withdrawn...
Google+ is more successful than Google Groups!
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on >sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter
the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters >off and you can form your own opinion.
In article <[email protected]>,
Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on >>sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter >>the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters >>off and you can form your own opinion.
It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on >comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal >problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or >dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
--scott
On 25 Oct 2023 17:09:12 -0000, [email protected] (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on >>>sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I >>>don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter >>>the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters >>>off and you can form your own opinion.
It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on >>comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal >>problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or >>dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
--scott
plus ones . . . particularly the part about "dump all Google postings"
^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
In article <[email protected]>, D <J@M> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2023 17:09:12 -0000, [email protected] (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on >>>comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal >>>problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or >>>dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on >>>>sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I >>>>don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter >>>>the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters >>>>off and you can form your own opinion.
--scott
plus ones . . . particularly the part about "dump all Google postings"
I do that!
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HTH, e.g., in the subject line:
I'm testing filtering based on existence of Thai characters in the
subject. I'll see how it works.
I'm testing filtering based on existence of Thai characters in the
subject. I'll see how it works.
Lou Bert <[email protected]d> wrote:
HTH, e.g., in the subject line:
I'm testing filtering based on existence of Thai characters in the
subject. I'll see how it works.
Le 26/10/2023 a 04:05, [email protected]d
(Adam W.) a ecrit :
I'm testing filtering based on existence of Thai characters in the
subject. I'll see how it works.
This is a good idea but will there still be legitimate posters on GG >according to the fact that you can't even read groups properly there as >everything is spam ?
On 26.10.2023 04:05, Adam W. wrote:
I'm testing filtering based on existence of Thai characters in the
subject. I'll see how it works.
But add several of the most relevant words (in Malayan and Indo-
nesian as well as in English) in the subject and from line.
Almost all of them from the jargon of the gam(bl)ing world
and that of the sports punters (cf. incl. "rugby, cricket, sailing,
swimming, fencing" & the like. Along with the spelling "futsal" for "football").
And the misspellings "jonh", "oktaviani", "natasya" in the from line.
(The latter presumable created by the spammer's own brain out of
"natalie" and "asya".) Worth adding further misspellings if
systematically used instead of the correct spellings.
Plus some of the most frequent occurring emojis in the subject line.
Useful the including of these figures 303, 55, 77, 88, 99 in both lines. (Esp. 88 seems to be part of various Indonesian and Malaysian names for gaming / slot machine schemes.)
Thus a newsreader won't download over 90% of the crap (if the "ignore" selected).
Lou
Le 26/10/2023 à 04:05, [email protected]d
(Adam W.) a écrit :
I'm testing filtering based on existence of Thai characters in the
subject. I'll see how it works.
This is a good idea but will there still be legitimate posters on GG according to the fact that you can't even read groups properly there as everything is spam ?
Not all groups get spam. For example comp.os.cpm is completely clean and has several users posting from googlegroups
This is a good idea but will there still be legitimate posters on GG according to the fact that you can't even read groups properly there as everything is spam ?
Not all groups get spam. For example comp.os.cpm is completely clean and has several users posting from googlegroups ; comp.lang.forth is similar (it has a bit of spam). But even with comp.lang.fortran which gets a lot of spam , there are persistent users posting (and presumably also reading) from googlegroups.
Eric M <[email protected]> wrote:
This is a good idea but will there still be legitimate posters on GG
according to the fact that you can't even read groups properly there as
everything is spam ?
Some groups get spammed, some don't (or very rarely). I don't know what
the key is.
Looking at hierarchies I carry:
- pl.*: only pl.soc.polityka is attacked by this Thai spam
- alt.*: only alt.chinese.text (but I don't carry certain binary groups,
so maybe spam is there too)
- comp.*: I see mostly comp.protocols.dicom, comp.lang.c,
comp.cad.cadence, comp.lang.fortran, comp.lang.c++
Some groups get spammed, some don't (or very rarely). I don't know what
the key is.
Looking at hierarchies I carry:
- pl.*: only pl.soc.polityka is attacked by this Thai spam
- alt.*: only alt.chinese.text (but I don't carry certain binary groups,
so maybe spam is there too)
- comp.*: I see mostly comp.protocols.dicom, comp.lang.c,
comp.cad.cadence, comp.lang.fortran, comp.lang.c++
- rec.*: rec.arts.tv, sometimes rec.sports.golf and occasionally other
groups
- sci.*: mostly sci.crypt, sometimes sci.lang, what's interesting I can't
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What happened to the onslaught in comp.protocols.time.ntp, which has
recently switched to latinized subject lines.
All in all, this looks like a targeted attack with spammers eithe >uninterested in getting readers or tricked into participating in the
attack
What happened to the onslaught in comp.protocols.time.ntp, which has
recently switched to latinized subject lines.
All in all, this looks like a targeted attack with spammers either >uninterested in getting readers or tricked into participating in the
attack
Jakob Bohm <[email protected]d> wrote:
All in all, this looks like a targeted attack with spammers either >uninterested in getting readers or tricked into participating in the
attack
They have no interest in getting direct readers, they are only interested
in poisoning the Google search engine so that google searches find their postings on Google Groups.
On 29 Oct 2023 00:04:12 -0000
[email protected] (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Jakob Bohm <[email protected]d> wrote:
All in all, this looks like a targeted attack with spammers either
uninterested in getting readers or tricked into participating in the
attack
They have no interest in getting direct readers, they are only interested
in poisoning the Google search engine so that google searches find their
postings on Google Groups.
I wonder if the spammers have any hope of achieving this. I would imagine >that Google cares about their search results being influenced even though it >doesn't care about usenet so Google must have measures in place against this >sort of thing. Perhaps the spammers care about influencing other search >engines (which they believe or hope to be less sophisticated) since some >websites reproduce in HTML form usenet content.
--
vlaho.ninja/menu
On 29 Oct 2023 00:04:12 -0000
[email protected] (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Jakob Bohm <[email protected]d> wrote:
All in all, this looks like a targeted attack with spammers either
uninterested in getting readers or tricked into participating in the
attack
They have no interest in getting direct readers, they are only interested
in poisoning the Google search engine so that google searches find their
postings on Google Groups.
I wonder if the spammers have any hope of achieving this. I would imagine >that Google cares about their search results being influenced even though it >doesn't care about usenet so Google must have measures in place against this >sort of thing. Perhaps the spammers care about influencing other search >engines (which they believe or hope to be less sophisticated) since some >websites reproduce in HTML form usenet content.
In article <[email protected]>,
Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]> wrote:
On 29 Oct 2023 00:04:12 -0000
[email protected] (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Jakob Bohm <[email protected]d> wrote:
All in all, this looks like a targeted attack with spammers either
uninterested in getting readers or tricked into participating in the
attack
They have no interest in getting direct readers, they are only interested >>> in poisoning the Google search engine so that google searches find their >>> postings on Google Groups.
I wonder if the spammers have any hope of achieving this. I would imagine >>that Google cares about their search results being influenced even though it >>doesn't care about usenet so Google must have measures in place against this >>sort of thing. Perhaps the spammers care about influencing other search >>engines (which they believe or hope to be less sophisticated) since some >>websites reproduce in HTML form usenet content.
So far I don't think it's working very well, at least a google search on >"Black Magic In Karnatika" failed to find any of it. Have not tried other >engines.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Jakob Bohm <[email protected]d> wrote:
What happened to the onslaught in comp.protocols.time.ntp, which has
recently switched to latinized subject lines.
That's a different spammer. It's Bhasa Indonesia, advertising some
sort of online gambling service.
All in all, this looks like a targeted attack with spammers either
uninterested in getting readers or tricked into participating in the
attack
They have no interest in getting direct readers, they are only interested
in poisoning the Google search engine so that google searches find their postings on Google Groups.
--scott
In article <[email protected]>,
Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on
sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter
the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters >> off and you can form your own opinion.
It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
--scott
On 10/25/2023 10:09 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on
sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter >>> the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters >>> off and you can form your own opinion.
It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on
comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal >> problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or
dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
so you think Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?
In article <v5seg5$m194$[email protected]>,
HenHanna <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/25/2023 10:09 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Spiros Bousbouras <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
[email protected] (The Doctor) wrote:
Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on >>>> sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter >>>> the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters
off and you can form your own opinion.
It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on
comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal >>> problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or >>> dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
so you think Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?
I didn't see spam being a problem in technical groups because they had so
few Google Groups users that everybody just dropped all Google postings
in the past decade anyway, and of course all the spam came through Google.
Whether it was a problem in s.l.j or how it was a problem or whether
Google being dropped off usenet voluntarily affected s.l.j I have no idea about because I never read the group.
But currently there is no connection between Google Groups and Usenet and there is very little spam. Many groups that were inundated with spam and
had a small number of Google users are doing well today.
--scott
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