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On 2/23/2022 7:29 AM, Lazarus Cain wrote:
On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 7:15:27 AM UTC-6, Lazarus Cain wrote:
In face of overwhelming odds, sometimes strategic withdrawal is best option. >>
“The Ukrainian Armed Forces are increasing their forces and gathering heavy equipment and personnel. The number of Ukrainian troops in the conflict zone has already reached 125,000, which represents half of the total composition of its Armed Forces,
”she said.
Not that we would wish to speculate on the best strategic strategy to be used to force the removal of all those troops specially in a time of war, there are numerous strategies that will all be able to force a Ukrainian retreat which incur a variety
of costs.
There is considerable dispute concerning the validity of any alleged invasion concerning this civil war. Perhaps the British may feel that US only gained independence because French fleet invaded coast of Yorktown, or because the French supported the
rebellion.
Nationalistic politics drowns us with propaganda as people gather around the flag and jingoism resounds, just like 1962. One President overwhelms the Big Lies of the last President with his own set of lies, using logic of a different flavor, but
flawed logic nonetheless.
However, I do consider the lives of the 125,000 and suggest their leadership to retreat forces out of Donbass to avoid being targets of Russian military.
Then, we can truly see if threats to invade Ukraine are truly valid. Many believe that if Ukraine and USA agree to respect Donbass sovereignty , the crisis will end. Never mind about US elections, Biden and Dems are doomed to pay at the polls now
regardless: it is sad; it is a shame; could have turned out different; etc.
No, not same as Sudetenland where Hitler used ethnic Germans as an excuse. Sudetenland never held referendum while Donbass did, but Ukraine did not honor and sent in troops. Putin is not Hitler. Hitler was a Nazi. Hitler was right wing extremist.
Putin's enemies are now right wing Ukrainians.
US citizens are clueless, as is Biden, to Ukrainian history while Russians are not. But past is past and many things from then are no longer acceptable, even in Russia.
We expect Ukrainian army and US are not going to beat a retreat, so we are expecting to see things play out the hard way.
Either way, the Ukrainian army is soon going to be forced back out of the Donbass and allowed to peaceably secure position on other side of border.
Really do not expect Russia to roll tanks through Chernobyl to Kiev.
Problem is that Russia may very well use near 125,000 troops with overwhelming force to create a Ukrainian retreat, if possible.
With WWI style trenches dividing the economic heart of Donbass, the local population simply wish the stagnant army positions to disappear
Russians promising to end this stagnation
Similar situation when China surprised McArthur and drove US forces out of North Korea.
Truman royally fucked up Korea from the very beginning. It was a war
that need not to have happened. Red China could have been simply asked
to asked to control its runaway satellite. China has never liked Korea
very much. Truman mini-managed a conflict that he had no talent for.He
shorted the troops of the necessary logistics. He fired the General that
would actually do what it takes to win. Even the Democrats mistrusted
him. That is why he was kept in total darkness about the Atomic Bomb
until after FDR died. P)resident Eisenhower had no options other to pull America out of the damned mess the Democrat war mongers got us into. It
was never resolved as America had no bargaining chips other then
continued blood letting. Truman screamed that General MacArthur was
trying to start a war. The dumb bastard thought the Korean conflict was
just a itty bitty police action. But the Democrats made up for it by
ignoring President MacArthur's advice about a land war in Asian Jungles.
They promptly set the stage for a bloody mini-managed war in Vietnam.
Using of course Hollywood Camera freaks like General Westmorlen and
other commissioned Democrat rejects. Truman had ordered Military on site observation in 1949 and ignored Ho Chi Mins pleas to make the French
honor the agreement not interfere with Vietnam's independence. In fact
the stupid bastard made deal with the French to back any military
action. President Eisenhower cut that deal and actually helped a
bloodless retreat out of Vietnam when the French got their asses kicked. Vietnam did not have to allow the French to leave unscathed, but did.
How many millions of Asians died in the following conflict demanded by
the War Profiteering LBJ family. LBJ profited over $4Billion and we
profited with 56 thousand American casualties,, Plus sever hundred
thousand wounded and disabled. Agent Orange etc. The CIA should have
been punished for war crimes.
So Lazarus, You can kiss my American Ass!
https://www.sofmag.com/westmoreland-the-general-who-lost-vietnam/
I wonder where China Joe is going to get another loser Lefty General to
handle the mess in the Ukraine? Or is he going to go out for a cocktail
with his son and maybe a good Chinese Bribe meal. I can't imagine that
the Democrat War profiteers will allow him to pass up a really good
profitable war though.
Mr Trump is very lucky to NOT being in the position to have to do
something about this insolvable mess.
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