You are my best bet for figuring this out, if you can spare a few milliseconds time:
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively, because I
like it. I often leave a tab containing a web page .eg. national
weather service, but could be any other web page. Usually, if I tap
the reload icon, it will reload the latest version of that web
page, exactly as it should.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be resurrected by
reloading directly from the bookmark. Even the crummiest browsers
on desktops never fail in this way.
Why does safari completely loose it's shit after a while? Is this a
bug? Is my iphone defective? Did I miss something about how it's
supposed to work? In settings, I have chosen to never close tabs
after any particular time, but close them only manually.
In article <sIBDL.86087$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
You are my best bet for figuring this out, if you can spare a few
milliseconds time:
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively, because I
like it. I often leave a tab containing a web page .eg. national
weather service, but could be any other web page. Usually, if I tap
the reload icon, it will reload the latest version of that web
page, exactly as it should.
the web page should automatically reload, although that's partly
dependent on the website itself.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be resurrected by
reloading directly from the bookmark. Even the crummiest browsers
on desktops never fail in this way.
Why does safari completely loose it's shit after a while? Is this a
bug? Is my iphone defective? Did I miss something about how it's
supposed to work? In settings, I have chosen to never close tabs
after any particular time, but close them only manually.
it's hard to remotely diagnose it. can you describe how to duplicate
it? i've not seen that happen, although i don't keep very many tabs
open. does it happen with other browsers?
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively, because I
like it. I often leave a tab containing a web page .eg. national
weather service, but could be any other web page. Usually, if I tap
the reload icon, it will reload the latest version of that web
page, exactly as it should.
the web page should automatically reload, although that's partly
dependent on the website itself.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be resurrected by
reloading directly from the bookmark. Even the crummiest browsers
on desktops never fail in this way.
Why does safari completely loose it's shit after a while? Is this a
bug? Is my iphone defective? Did I miss something about how it's
supposed to work? In settings, I have chosen to never close tabs
after any particular time, but close them only manually.
it's hard to remotely diagnose it. can you describe how to duplicate
it? i've not seen that happen, although i don't keep very many tabs
open. does it happen with other browsers?
Never happens with any browsers on desktop machines.
I only have
the one iphone, and rarely use any browser other than safari. If I
leave a web page open in safari, it may work for several days or
even a week, but eventually, safari quits working with that web
page. Can't reload the page. Nothing works except reloading it
directly from bookmarks. Safari just shits itself. It never gives
an error message. I can "share" it with firefox which works, but
I'd rather use safari if it didn't fuck up.
nospam wrote:
In article <ARDDL.100357$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers
<[email protected]d> wrote:
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively, because I
like it. I often leave a tab containing a web page .eg. national
weather service, but could be any other web page. Usually, if I tap
the reload icon, it will reload the latest version of that web
page, exactly as it should.
the web page should automatically reload, although that's partly
dependent on the website itself.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be resurrected by
reloading directly from the bookmark. Even the crummiest browsers
on desktops never fail in this way.
Why does safari completely loose it's shit after a while? Is this a
bug? Is my iphone defective? Did I miss something about how it's
supposed to work? In settings, I have chosen to never close tabs
after any particular time, but close them only manually.
it's hard to remotely diagnose it. can you describe how to duplicate
it? i've not seen that happen, although i don't keep very many tabs
open. does it happen with other browsers?
Never happens with any browsers on desktop machines.
desktop and mobile systems have very different memory constraints.
try different browsers on the iphone.
I only have
the one iphone, and rarely use any browser other than safari. If I
leave a web page open in safari, it may work for several days or
even a week, but eventually, safari quits working with that web
page. Can't reload the page. Nothing works except reloading it
directly from bookmarks. Safari just shits itself. It never gives
an error message. I can "share" it with firefox which works, but
I'd rather use safari if it didn't fuck up.
that doesn't sound normal.
tabs will reload if the memory was purged (which often happens) but it
shouldn't cause the app itself to crash.
It doesn't crash. It still works on other tabs. If I try to view
the tab that has gone bad, nothing happens. Tapping the reload icon
has no effect ( it doesn't change to an X (stop symbol), and the
tab stays black. But if I go to another tab, it works OK. Unless
that tab has also shit itself. When safari craps out like this, I
CAN hit the share symbol and send it to firefox, and it works just
fine. That's the only other browser on this phone, which I rarely
use. I want safari to work properly.
In article <ARDDL.100357$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively, because I
like it. I often leave a tab containing a web page .eg. national
weather service, but could be any other web page. Usually, if I tap
the reload icon, it will reload the latest version of that web
page, exactly as it should.
the web page should automatically reload, although that's partly
dependent on the website itself.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be resurrected by
reloading directly from the bookmark. Even the crummiest browsers
on desktops never fail in this way.
Why does safari completely loose it's shit after a while? Is this a
bug? Is my iphone defective? Did I miss something about how it's
supposed to work? In settings, I have chosen to never close tabs
after any particular time, but close them only manually.
it's hard to remotely diagnose it. can you describe how to duplicate
it? i've not seen that happen, although i don't keep very many tabs
open. does it happen with other browsers?
Never happens with any browsers on desktop machines.
desktop and mobile systems have very different memory constraints.
try different browsers on the iphone.
I only have
the one iphone, and rarely use any browser other than safari. If I
leave a web page open in safari, it may work for several days or
even a week, but eventually, safari quits working with that web
page. Can't reload the page. Nothing works except reloading it
directly from bookmarks. Safari just shits itself. It never gives
an error message. I can "share" it with firefox which works, but
I'd rather use safari if it didn't fuck up.
that doesn't sound normal.
tabs will reload if the memory was purged (which often happens) but it shouldn't cause the app itself to crash.
Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <ARDDL.100357$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers
<[email protected]d> wrote:
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively, because I
like it. I often leave a tab containing a web page .eg. national
weather service, but could be any other web page. Usually, if I tap >>>>>> the reload icon, it will reload the latest version of that web
page, exactly as it should.
the web page should automatically reload, although that's partly
dependent on the website itself.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be resurrected by
reloading directly from the bookmark. Even the crummiest browsers
on desktops never fail in this way.
Why does safari completely loose it's shit after a while? Is this a >>>>>> bug? Is my iphone defective? Did I miss something about how it's
supposed to work? In settings, I have chosen to never close tabs
after any particular time, but close them only manually.
it's hard to remotely diagnose it. can you describe how to duplicate >>>>> it? i've not seen that happen, although i don't keep very many tabs
open. does it happen with other browsers?
Never happens with any browsers on desktop machines.
desktop and mobile systems have very different memory constraints.
try different browsers on the iphone.
I only have
the one iphone, and rarely use any browser other than safari. If I
leave a web page open in safari, it may work for several days or
even a week, but eventually, safari quits working with that web
page. Can't reload the page. Nothing works except reloading it
directly from bookmarks. Safari just shits itself. It never gives
an error message. I can "share" it with firefox which works, but
I'd rather use safari if it didn't fuck up.
that doesn't sound normal.
tabs will reload if the memory was purged (which often happens) but it
shouldn't cause the app itself to crash.
It doesn't crash. It still works on other tabs. If I try to view
the tab that has gone bad, nothing happens. Tapping the reload icon
has no effect ( it doesn't change to an X (stop symbol), and the
tab stays black. But if I go to another tab, it works OK. Unless
that tab has also shit itself. When safari craps out like this, I
CAN hit the share symbol and send it to firefox, and it works just
fine. That's the only other browser on this phone, which I rarely
use. I want safari to work properly.
Are you using Private mode? Try using the regular mode and see if the same thing happens.
I only have
the one iphone, and rarely use any browser other than safari. If I
leave a web page open in safari, it may work for several days or
even a week, but eventually, safari quits working with that web
page. Can't reload the page. Nothing works except reloading it
directly from bookmarks. Safari just shits itself. It never gives
an error message. I can "share" it with firefox which works, but
I'd rather use safari if it didn't fuck up.
that doesn't sound normal.
tabs will reload if the memory was purged (which often happens) but it shouldn't cause the app itself to crash.
It doesn't crash. It still works on other tabs. If I try to view
the tab that has gone bad, nothing happens. Tapping the reload icon
has no effect ( it doesn't change to an X (stop symbol), and the
tab stays black. But if I go to another tab, it works OK. Unless
that tab has also shit itself.
You are my best bet for figuring this out, if you can spare a few milliseconds time:
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively, because I like
it. I often leave a tab containing a web page .eg. national weather service, but could be any other web page. Usually, if I tap the reload
icon, it will reload the latest version of that web page, exactly as it should.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be resurrected by reloading directly from the bookmark. Even the crummiest browsers on desktops
never fail in this way.
badgolferman wrote:
Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <ARDDL.100357$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers >>>><[email protected]d> wrote:
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively,
because I like it. I often leave a tab containing a web
page .eg. national weather service, but could be any
other web page. Usually, if I tap the reload icon, it
will reload the latest version of that web page, exactly
as it should.
the web page should automatically reload, although that's
partly dependent on the website itself.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be
resurrected by reloading directly from the bookmark. Even
the crummiest browsers on desktops never fail in this way.
Why does safari completely loose it's shit after a while?
Is this a bug? Is my iphone defective? Did I miss
something about how it's supposed to work? In settings,
I have chosen to never close tabs after any particular
time, but close them only manually.
it's hard to remotely diagnose it. can you describe how to >>>>>>duplicate it? i've not seen that happen, although i don't
keep very many tabs open. does it happen with other
browsers?
Never happens with any browsers on desktop machines.
desktop and mobile systems have very different memory
constraints.
try different browsers on the iphone.
I only have
the one iphone, and rarely use any browser other than safari.
If I leave a web page open in safari, it may work for several
days or even a week, but eventually, safari quits working
with that web page. Can't reload the page. Nothing works
except reloading it directly from bookmarks. Safari just
shits itself. It never gives an error message. I can "share"
it with firefox which works, but I'd rather use safari if it
didn't fuck up.
that doesn't sound normal.
tabs will reload if the memory was purged (which often happens)
but it shouldn't cause the app itself to crash.
It doesn't crash. It still works on other tabs. If I try to view
the tab that has gone bad, nothing happens. Tapping the reload
icon has no effect ( it doesn't change to an X (stop symbol), and
the tab stays black. But if I go to another tab, it works OK.
Unless that tab has also shit itself. When safari craps out like
this, I CAN hit the share symbol and send it to firefox, and it
works just fine. That's the only other browser on this phone,
which I rarely use. I want safari to work properly.
Are you using Private mode? Try using the regular mode and see if
the same thing happens.
Nope, regular mode. I'll see if it does that on private mode too.
I thought about removing it and re installing safari. Do you think
that might help?
In article <8GFDL.500590$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
I only have
the one iphone, and rarely use any browser other than safari. If I
leave a web page open in safari, it may work for several days or
even a week, but eventually, safari quits working with that web
page. Can't reload the page. Nothing works except reloading it
directly from bookmarks. Safari just shits itself. It never gives
an error message. I can "share" it with firefox which works, but
I'd rather use safari if it didn't fuck up.
that doesn't sound normal.
tabs will reload if the memory was purged (which often happens) but it
shouldn't cause the app itself to crash.
It doesn't crash. It still works on other tabs. If I try to view
the tab that has gone bad, nothing happens. Tapping the reload icon
has no effect ( it doesn't change to an X (stop symbol), and the
tab stays black. But if I go to another tab, it works OK. Unless
that tab has also shit itself.
ok, i thought by 'safari shits itself', you meant safari crashed, not
just the tab. either way, it's not normal.
is it always the same web pages that are problematic? or is it a
function of how long it's been since reloading?
In article <C9GDL.100358$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
I thought about removing it and re installing safari. Do you think
that might help?
no.
what you can do is try clearing history and website data and also
changing the close tabs option.
On 2023-02-04 18:17, Hank Rogers wrote:
You are my best bet for figuring this out, if you can spare a few
milliseconds time:
I use Safari on iphone (latest IOS) almost exclusively, because I
like it. I often leave a tab containing a web page .eg.
national weather service, but could be any other web page.
Usually, if I tap the reload icon, it will reload the latest
version of that web page, exactly as it should.
But eventually, it always dies, and can only be resurrected by
reloading directly from the bookmark. Even the crummiest browsers
on desktops never fail in this way.
I'll jump in too.
1) I've never had an issue with Safari on my iPhone 6 or 11.� I
don't use it a lot but I do use it to search for things when out
and about that I can't find through hospitality apps or Maps.
Can you provide 2 or 3 links to where this is more likely to occur?
While Safari _should_ be immune to bad code, it's not guaranteed to
be.
2) Not strictly on topic:� Why would you use Safari for the
weather? There are many apps for that that present better than a
webpage on a phone.
Indeed prompted by this thread, I just cleaned out some old, no
longer working links from the BMs in Safari on my phone.
nospam wrote:
In article <8GFDL.500590$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers
<[email protected]d> wrote:
I only have the one iphone, and rarely use any browser other than
safari. If I leave a web page open in safari, it may work for
several days or even a week, but eventually, safari quits working
with that web page. Can't reload the page. Nothing works except
reloading it directly from bookmarks. Safari just shits itself. It
never gives an error message. I can "share" it with firefox which
works, but I'd rather use safari if it didn't fuck up.
that doesn't sound normal.
tabs will reload if the memory was purged (which often happens) but
it shouldn't cause the app itself to crash.
It doesn't crash. It still works on other tabs. If I try to view the
tab that has gone bad, nothing happens. Tapping the reload icon has
no effect ( it doesn't change to an X (stop symbol), and the tab
stays black. But if I go to another tab, it works OK. Unless that
tab has also shit itself.
ok, i thought by 'safari shits itself', you meant safari crashed, not
just the tab. either way, it's not normal.
is it always the same web pages that are problematic? or is it a
function of how long it's been since reloading?
As far as I can tell, any web page can go bad. Some seem worse than
others, but maybe it's because I use them more and notice it more. .
It can happen in less than 24 hours, or it can work several days.
Some web pages seem to hang on and work longer than others. For
example, duck duck go rarely screws up. US weather service's pages
usually never last more than a few days at best.
I thought of deleting safari and downloading it again, but that isn't possible. You can only move it's icon to the app "library".
nospam wrote:
In article <C9GDL.100358$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers
<[email protected]d> wrote:
I thought about removing it and re installing safari. Do you think
that might help?
no.
what you can do is try clearing history and website data and also
changing the close tabs option.
I do that occasionally to clean things up, but it's never stopped the problem.
are you using any content blockers? if so, disable them.>
I have Hyperweb, Wipr, and Autarkey. I'll try disabling to see if any difference. It will take some time to know if any effect, but I'll
report back.
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