On 2025-01-30 18:53, badgolferman wrote:

Over the weekend we upgraded my wife’s iPhone 12 to an iPhone 15. We went to T-mobile where they had that model for $730. They gave $300 trade-in
offer for her old phone so that dropped the iPhone 15 to $430. I wanted to pay it off then but they said the promotion is only valid if paid monthly
for two years. That makes it $18 / month for two years.

They activated the new phone and sent me home with both phones to perform
the transfer process myself. That took maybe 20 minutes in the store to get and activate a phone, and another 20 minutes at home to do the transfer. I got a return package sent in the mail a couple days later to send the old phone back.

It all was fairly simple and time efficient. Phone to phone transfer is
very convenient.

And if you're half way competent, you don't need the store to help you.

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On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 02:53:54 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Over the weekend we upgraded my wife's iPhone 12 to an iPhone 15. We went
to T-mobile where they had that model for $730. They gave $300 trade-in
offer for her old phone so that dropped the iPhone 15 to $430. I wanted to pay it off then but they said the promotion is only valid if paid monthly
for two years. That makes it $18 / month for two years.

They activated the new phone and sent me home with both phones to perform
the transfer process myself. That took maybe 20 minutes in the store to get and activate a phone, and another 20 minutes at home to do the transfer. I got a return package sent in the mail a couple days later to send the old phone back.

It all was fairly simple and time efficient. Phone to phone transfer is
very convenient.

Hi badgolferman,

I'm glad you had a good experience with T-Mobile replacing your wife's
iPhone 12 for an iPhone 15. I think maybe, if I recall correctly, you got
that iPhone 12 around the time I picked up my free A32-5G from T-Mobile
(way back in about April of 2021, right?). At that time, I picked up what
was essentially a half-price iPhone 12 mini from T-Mobile, as I recall.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android>

While I still have that free A32-5G (albeit I returned it to T-Mobile twice under warranty as I kept breaking it - so it's really the third one I have now), that iPhone 12 mini was also traded in a few months ago for an iPhone
15.

The iPhone 15 seems to have a brighter screen, and Dynamic Island (which,
as you taught me, is innovative technology that Apple pioneered). Of
course, it has the A16 instead of the A14 CPU. Where the iPhone 15 shines
over the iPhone 12 is the 48Mpx camera is better than that 12Mpx camera in
the iPhone 12. But what I like most is Apple ditched the proprietary non-standard Lightning garbage in favor of the industry standard USB-C.

Everything about that USB-C is better except poor ole' Apple doesn't get to lock people into their proprietary cabling anymore. I feel sorry for Apple.

As for the data transfer, did all your apps come over in the EXACT same
place on your homescreen that they were on the old phone (as mine did after T-Mobile replaced the broken A32-5G under warranty)?
<https://i.postimg.cc/3r0yNRcT/network02.jpg> network tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/BZwR6gXc/buy02.jpg> shopping tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/CMmSsgtN/maps01.jpg> map tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/CxTxzsfC/sys01.jpg> system tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/FFYqg9Dv/maps05.jpg> map tools apk archive
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRNg5hn0/audio01.jpg> audio tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/fTFcQ5d4/dock.jpg> dock tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/pLFpXfMP/maps07.jpg> maps offline/online sections
<https://i.postimg.cc/rmvDBN8Q/files01.jpg> file management tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/vTQ13DcK/apk01.jpg> installation tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/vZmTvPZx/maps02.jpg> map folder traffic section
<https://i.postimg.cc/WpM4FM5t/web01.jpg> web tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/XvN1Scvj/video01.jpg> video tools folder
<https://i.postimg.cc/Zn73yqm1/network03.jpg> network tools server section

Or did you have to manually re-organize your homescreen all over again?

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On 31.01.25 03:53, badgolferman wrote:

It all was fairly simple and time efficient. Phone to phone transfer is
very convenient.

It is. For 16 years now. But what's the news about it?
It is simply the benchmark.


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On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 10:47:49 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

As for the data transfer, did all your apps come over in the EXACT same
place on your homescreen that they were on the old phone (as mine did after >>
Or did you have to manually re-organize your homescreen all over again?

As far as I could tell when doing the transfer, everything seemed to be in place. I think she had to login again to certain apps, put the credit card CVV codes in again, redo Face ID, establish Bluetooth connections. It
really was quite seamless of a transfer process.

Yeah, I agree nowadays with both iOS & Android being mature platforms, the "cloning" of the old phone to the new phone is virtually seamless for us.

I devised a clever trick that only I use (as far as I'm aware) to make it
even easier for those with portable memory slots, which is to quick format every sd card to the same name (I use 0000-0001, but that doesn't matter).

Remember I said T-Mobile gave me 2 replacements for my original Galaxy
A32-5G? Well, when you clone them, the sd card isn't re-formatted, right?

So if you put, oh, say, your OSM offline maps on your sd card in, oh, say
\storage\A1B1-C1D1\maps\osm\osm.dat
When a less-clever person moves the sd card to a new phone, it ends up as
\storage\A2B2-C2D2\maps\osm\osm.dat
Which doesn't work in the new phone because the filespec is now wrong.

You'd have to fix *every app* to change the filespec from one to the other.
But if you format all the sd cards with the same name, you win big time.

That's why they call it "portable memory" after all, which means you can
pop it out of one phone and pop it into another phone & it just works.

What is really neat is eventually, after two years of using the 64GB sdcard
on those free T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy A32-5G phones, I bumped it to 128GB.

Since I formatted the new 128GB sdcard to the same "volume name" as the original, the phone had no idea that it was a different sd card altogether.

Everything "just worked".

It was beautiful.

Since I received a handful of these free T-Mobile phones, I picked up off
of Amazon Vine, for free, three 128GB sd cards, all of which I formatted to
the same volume name (the original default names are meaningless anyway).

1. For the 3 sdcards, I formatted each on Windows to the same volume name
2. On Windows I copied the old 64GB sdcard data to the new 128GB card
3. And I popped in the new (twice the size!) sdcard into each old phone

It just worked!
Ain't that beautiful!

It's too bad Apple hates us because there is no way Apple would ever allow something as beautiful as portable exist to happen on an iPhone or iPad.

Apple's entire marketing strategy is to fuck the customer first, and then
watch the customer squirm to desperately try to replace what Apple broke.

a. The Apple customer has to buy a new phone to double the memory
(Meanwhile, Android customers double the memory for about $10.)
b. Or, the Apple customer has to purchase 64GB of "cloud memory"
(Meanwhile, Android customers have no need for expensive cloud memory.)
c. The Apple customer needs to use cloning tools to bring over app data
(Well, at least these cloning tools pretty much work well on both.)

Since I use both platforms all day, every day, I see the tremendously huge difference between the two platforms - which - almost nobody understands.

You can't appreciate the difference until you use both platforms regularly. But, other than for "portable data", the cloning process is mature on both.

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On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:44:58 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Since I use both platforms all day, every day, I see the tremendously
huge difference between the two platforms - which - almost nobody >>understands.

Looks like you and Lorenz have something in common. Too bad you can't
work together with sms to improve his document.

Did you mean Joerg Lorenz or Steve Scharf?

Assuming you meant Steve, we do have a lot in common in that both of us
have EE degrees and both of us live in the Santa Cruz Mountains, and both
of us use both iOS & Android platforms all the time & we both post here.

Another thing both of us have in common is we're both one in thousands
(maybe even one in tens of thousands) who go to the immense trouble to
write detailed summaries to HELP people do technical things we can do.

I wouldn't be surprised if Steve also was invited to Amazon Vine, for
example, since their algorithms seek out intelligent HELPFUL people.

None of the Apple trolls (such as Joerg Lorenz) will ever do that.
Those Apple trolls are on Usenet merely for their own sadistic amusement.

Not to learn. Not to help people.
I help people all day, every day.

An example is the instant I wrote up the response for you prior, I modified
it so that it can be leveraged to thousands of Windows & Android users.
*Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=57086&group=comp.mobile.android#57086>

How many people are that kind hearted badgolferman? Not many, right.
How many people are that helpful for others badgolferman? Very few.

And, how many people are intelligent enough to KNOW all that stuff?
The vast majority of people are so incredibly stupid, it makes me puke.

Certainly not a single Apple trolls could even earn a college degree.
Which is why all they can do is troll.

Back to Steve and me with that as the important background:
a. Steve is intelligent, as am I.
b. Steve is well educated, as am I.
c. Steve cared to educate people, as do I.
And...
d. Steve uses iOS & Android every day - as do I.

Both Steve and I *know* the difference between iOS and Android.
And it's shockingly huge that difference.

The main difference is that Apple's basic marketing strategy is to fuck the customer in a way that forces that customer to buy something from Apple.

Note that the entire profit margin for Apple is predicated on that strategy
and yet, you won't hear any news outlet say it the way I just said it.

Why not?

I don't know why but I presume there are two fundamental reasons:
a. They make money by selling ads and products so they can't tell the truth
b. They probably don't even know the truth about Apple
(See my observation above that most people are incredibly stupid.)

With that in mind, to your point that Steve & I should collaborate, I've
tried that by emailing him my resume (which has my degrees on it) and
sending him the updates to his ios-android comparison document.

But Steve never responded.
I know his email address as he used to be the Mayor of Cupertino.

Notice that puts him in an awkward position, being Cupertino after all.

So what I did, multiple times, is create a throwaway email address, and
then I sent him similar updates but he didn't respond to those either.

The email didn't bounce. It was pulled off one of his old resumes.
What he *did* do once though, was COPY my images I gave him (which was fine
by me) so I *know* he got the emails correcting his document.

But to date, except for a rare correction that he couldn't contravene, he doesn't really update that document as much as he claims that he does.

As for Steve's document, it's not as bad as those like nospam have claimed
it is, as nospam's goal was merely to make excuses for Apple's many flaws.

The main problem, as I saw it, in Steve's document was:
a. Steve knows iOS better than I do, but,
b. I know Android far better than Steve does.

Steve knows what iOS can do because Steve actually enjoys using iOS.
I hate using iOS because it's so crippling to do the simplest of things.

But I love Android because it does thousands of things iOS can't do.

Mind you - there's no reason iOS can't do them other than Apple won't let
you do them - and therein lies the real problem of Apple's goal being to
first fuck the customer - and then - provide the squirming customer with a ready-made marketing solution to the problem that Apple itself created.

Like portable memory, for example.

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On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 19:22:49 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

I actually did mean you, Lorenz and sms.

Oh wow. Yikes. To be in any category with Joerg Lorenz is a sad thing.

Be advised, while my killfile has only a handful of entries ('cuz I have to
add them manually in my Telnet scripts given I don't use a newsreader), I
went to the trouble to plonk Joerg Lorenz long ago.

As with Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz never once said anything that added value. Almost everything either one of them posts, unfortunately, subtracts value.

Lorenz claims to use both android and ios.

I'm sure I don't need to explain to you that Jeorg Lorenz knows nothing
about anything, much like Alan Baker who "claims" to teach racing and yet
he knows not the most basic things about taking curves at speed.

He also claims to know everything about everything
when he tells the rest of we don't understand anything.

Oh. Now I get your point. But I don't claim to know everything.
I just claim to be able to learn.

The common trolls like Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz can't learn.
Their whole lives everyone told them that they were stupid.
But on Usenet, they feel powerful so that's why they do what they do.

Neither of them has ever added even a single iota of value.

The amount of
experience the two of you have could be very helpful to sms, but your
point is well taken.

Please don't lump me into any category with Joerg as that's just absurd.
As for Steve, yes, he and I could work together rather well if he wanted it
to happen - but he doesn't respond to any of my emails so it won't happen.

Again, I want to be clear that Steve actually knows iOS better than I do
for all the things that most people do (while I know iOS better than Steve
does for all the things that most people do not do - such as not log into
it for two years and see how long it takes Apple to brick the device).

Only one out of tens of thousands of people know what I know when it comes
to NOT doing exactly what Apple MARKETING tells people do to.

But for the stuff that Apple MARKETING feeds people to do, Steve knows that stuff inside and out - way (way!) better than I do.

It's Android that Steve doesn't know anything about.

Lorenz doesn't want to help anyone and sms doesn't want anyone's help.

That's astute. Funny. Apropos. Prescient. Concise. Well done.

Steve actually wants to help people but he doesn't want help in that.
The Apple trolls are simply sadistic people who don't want to help anyone.

But it's worse than that for the sadistic Apple trolls.
They obtain all their amusement by denying everything.

Look at Alan Baker for example.

You could discuss a topic at length and he'd participate in that
discussion, and then a month or three later you'd bring it up and Alan
Baker will claim he's never heard of the topic and he won't look it up.

You can't fix the Apple trolls.

No amount of facts will get to them because even if it did, they'd forget
it in a day (which is why none of them could possibly go to college).

That leaves you in the middle with no one be helpful to.

Heh heh heh... I often point to my tutorials when I volunteer at the senior citizens center in town to show people how to do things that I've written.

I'm all over the Internet writing articles day in and day out to help
people. It's only on the Apple newsgroup that the trolls hate that fact.

Apple users are, by and large, not the smartest of people in my opinion.
And yes, I use Apple products - but the reason I buy them is different.

I buy them as stocking stuffers.
And to learn about how Apple works.

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