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    From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Oct 7 17:27:27 2024
    On 2024-10-06 04:09, badgolferman wrote:
    The iPhone SE 4 launch will mark a major milestone for Apple in many ways. For one, the device will rock an OLED panel, which means that it will
    finally shift Apple from LCD displays to OLED panels on the iPhone. Additionally, it will also be the first device to incorporate the company's first custom 5G modem. A new report claims that the iPhone SE 4 will house Apple's latest A18 chip, custom 5G modem, and much more at launch early
    next year.

    We have previously covered that Apple plans to bring its custom 5G modem to the entire iPhone lineup, starting with the SE 4. Now, 9to5mac has corroborated the same information, suggesting that the company's custom 5G modem will house WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS capabilities. Additionally, the device is also slated to launch with the new A18 chip, which was introduced with the new iPhone 16 models.

    As mentioned, Apple has been working on its custom 5G modems for years, and next year, it could finally see fit to begin incorporating the modem into
    its different product lineup. We have previously covered that the company's custom modem will offer subpar performance compared to the current versions from Qualcomm, and it remains to be seen how the Cupertino giant will compensate for the loss. However, there will be some benefits as well, as
    it will be an all-in-one solution, allowing the chip also to house
    Bluetooth, WiFi, and GPS capabilities.

    https://wccftech.com/iphone-se-4-to-feature-apples-custom-5g-modem-and-a18-chip/

    How can they have "previously covered" the performance of something that
    exists only in Apple's labs?

    Did you read the article they linked where they made their claim
    initially? I did.

    They offer literally no substantiation for their claim.

    All they offer is a link to an article by Mark Gurman that doesn't even
    claim the performance will be "sub-par".

    But that Gurman article does say one thing that he actually CAN know
    something about:

    'The company’s chip designers are widely seen as the best in the
    industry, helping Apple products stand out with speed and battery
    efficiency. The team started with the A4 chip in the original iPad and
    now has technology in every major Apple device. It also helped customize suppliers’ components, such as displays and batteries.'

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Oct 8 17:07:44 2024
    On 2024-10-08, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-06 04:09, badgolferman wrote:
    The iPhone SE 4 launch will mark a major milestone for Apple in many
    ways. For one, the device will rock an OLED panel, which means that
    it will finally shift Apple from LCD displays to OLED panels on the
    iPhone. Additionally, it will also be the first device to
    incorporate the company's first custom 5G modem. A new report claims
    that the iPhone SE 4 will house Apple's latest A18 chip, custom 5G
    modem, and much more at launch early next year.

    We have previously covered that Apple plans to bring its custom 5G
    modem to the entire iPhone lineup, starting with the SE 4. Now,
    9to5mac has corroborated the same information, suggesting that the
    company's custom 5G modem will house WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS
    capabilities. Additionally, the device is also slated to launch with
    the new A18 chip, which was introduced with the new iPhone 16 models.

    As mentioned, Apple has been working on its custom 5G modems for
    years, and next year, it could finally see fit to begin incorporating
    the modem into its different product lineup. We have previously
    covered that the company's custom modem will offer subpar performance
    compared to the current versions from Qualcomm, and it remains to be
    seen how the Cupertino giant will compensate for the loss. However,
    there will be some benefits as well, as it will be an all-in-one
    solution, allowing the chip also to house Bluetooth, WiFi, and GPS
    capabilities.

    https://wccftech.com/iphone-se-4-to-feature-apples-custom-5g-modem-and-a18-chip/

    How can they have "previously covered" the performance of something
    that exists only in Apple's labs?

    They can't.

    Did you read the article they linked where they made their claim
    initially? I did.

    They offer literally no substantiation for their claim.

    It's Bloomberg. The same Bloomberg that claimed there were tiny chips
    smaller than grains of rice on SuperMicro server motherboards that were magically able to transmit hidden data from the servers to China without
    anyone being able to detect them - that was debunked by several
    different governments, tons of SuperMicro customers, and of course
    SuperMicro themselves after extensive investigation and zero
    corroboration by Bloomberg. That rag is a joke. Relying on them as a
    source without bothering to verify the claim makes WCCFTech a joke - not
    to mention badgolferman and Arlen

    All they offer is a link to an article by Mark Gurman that doesn't
    even claim the performance will be "sub-par".

    But that Gurman article does say one thing that he actually CAN know something about:

    'The company’s chip designers are widely seen as the best in the
    industry, helping Apple products stand out with speed and battery
    efficiency. The team started with the A4 chip in the original iPad and
    now has technology in every major Apple device. It also helped
    customize suppliers’ components, such as displays and batteries.

    As usual, this "subpar performance" is a typical baseless claim that
    trolls latch onto because: APPLE BAD. Nothing more. And you'll be
    labeled an "Apple religious zealot" by the anti-Applefor pointing this
    out.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Oct 8 20:07:53 2024
    On 2024-10-08, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    It's Bloomberg.

    Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.

    Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words "subpar performance" link to another WCCFTech article that references Bloomberg
    as the source of this claim. And if you follow that trail of articles,
    you see that the claim of supposed "subpar performance" is based on
    speculation rather than hard evidence (which is very typical of
    Bloomberg).

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Oct 8 14:52:12 2024
    On 2024-10-08 13:40, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    It's Bloomberg.

    Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.

    Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words "subpar
    performance" link to another WCCFTech article that references Bloomberg
    as the source of this claim. And if you follow that trail of articles,
    you see that the claim of supposed "subpar performance" is based on
    speculation rather than hard evidence (which is very typical of
    Bloomberg).


    Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in there blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple to recoup
    its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616


    Right.

    So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not basis
    in even rumour.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Oct 8 22:22:42 2024
    On 2024-10-08, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08 13:40, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    It's Bloomberg.

    Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.

    Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words
    "subpar performance" link to another WCCFTech article that
    references Bloomberg as the source of this claim. And if you follow
    that trail of articles, you see that the claim of supposed "subpar
    performance" is based on speculation rather than hard evidence
    (which is very typical of Bloomberg).

    Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in
    there blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple
    to recoup its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616

    Right.

    So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not
    basis in even rumour.

    BINGO

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Oct 8 16:11:36 2024
    On 2024-10-08 15:29, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08 13:40, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:

    It's Bloomberg.

    Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.

    Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words "subpar >>>> performance" link to another WCCFTech article that references Bloomberg >>>> as the source of this claim. And if you follow that trail of articles, >>>> you see that the claim of supposed "subpar performance" is based on
    speculation rather than hard evidence (which is very typical of
    Bloomberg).


    Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in there >>> blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple to recoup >>> its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616


    Right.

    So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not basis
    in even rumour.


    No. I posted a message about this:

    Apple’s Custom 5G Modem Will Be An All-In-One Connectivity Solution


    You chose what you wanted to post.

    You chose to include bullshit.

    Do better.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Oct 8 16:10:54 2024
    On 2024-10-08 15:31, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08 13:40, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:

    It's Bloomberg.

    Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.

    Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words
    "subpar performance" link to another WCCFTech article that
    references Bloomberg as the source of this claim. And if you follow
    that trail of articles, you see that the claim of supposed "subpar
    performance" is based on speculation rather than hard evidence
    (which is very typical of Bloomberg).

    Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in
    there blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple
    to recoup its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616

    Right.

    So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not
    basis in even rumour.

    BINGO


    Your dishonesty is so blatant. Why can’t you just have a normal conversation without making up lies about me?


    What lie?

    Did you copy and paste this:

    "We have previously covered that the company's custom modem will offer
    subpar performance compared to the current versions from Qualcomm"?

    Yes or no.

    Was there any support for that assertion anywhere in the chain of
    articles that you can follow from your quoted article?

    Yes or no.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Oct 8 23:35:58 2024
    On 2024-10-08, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08 15:31, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08 13:40, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-10-08, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:

    It's Bloomberg.

    Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.

    Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words
    "subpar performance" link to another WCCFTech article that
    references Bloomberg as the source of this claim. And if you follow >>>>>> that trail of articles, you see that the claim of supposed "subpar >>>>>> performance" is based on speculation rather than hard evidence
    (which is very typical of Bloomberg).

    Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in >>>>> there blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple >>>>> to recoup its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties. >>>>>
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616

    Right.

    So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not
    basis in even rumour.

    BINGO

    Your dishonesty is so blatant. Why can’t you just have a normal
    conversation without making up lies about me?

    What lie?

    Did you copy and paste this:

    "We have previously covered that the company's custom modem will offer
    subpar performance compared to the current versions from Qualcomm"?

    Yes or no.

    Was there any support for that assertion anywhere in the chain of
    articles that you can follow from your quoted article?

    Yes or no.

    Every accusation is a confession. They accuse the rest of us of lying
    when they are the ones who lie and post disinformation. They accuse us
    of being mean when we endure them calling us names like "low IQ" and
    "children" on a constant basis. They accuse us of being petty when they
    post trolls about Apple daring to make a YELLOW IPHONE and so on. They
    accuse us of being "Apple religious zealots" when they are the biggest religious zealots here. It's all projection, 24/7 for them.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Oct 17 13:36:30 2024
    On 10/6/2024 4:09 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    The iPhone SE 4 launch will mark a major milestone for Apple in many ways.

    <snip>

    Well technically it's not "all-in-one," though I guess for connectivity
    only it is.

    Qualcomm (Snapdragon), Mediatek (Dimensity), and Samsung (Exynos) have
    been shipping SOCs with the processor, the modem, and all the radios on
    a single chip. This reduces costs, saves space on the board, and
    increases system speed.

    Still, a working modem is the first step in Apple eventually doing a
    Bionic chip with an integrated modem.

    Even though Apple's modem won't be as fast or as capable as a Qualcomm
    modem, it will likely be good enough, just as the Intel modem was good
    enough in the pre-5G days.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Oct 17 20:47:13 2024
    On 10/17/2024 6:09 PM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    Are you sure your message is approved by Jolly Roger?

    LOL, I've had him filtered out for a long time so I have no idea what he approves or does not approve.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Oct 18 08:05:17 2024
    On 17.10.24 23:47, sms wrote:
    On 10/17/2024 6:09 PM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    Are you sure your message is approved by Jolly Roger?

    LOL, I've had him filtered out for a long time so I have no idea what he approves or does not approve.

    And *you* are in everyone's killfilter anyway. I can see you only
    because I'm servicing my filter sets.

    --
    "De gustibus non est disputandum."

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Oct 18 07:03:29 2024
    On 10/18/2024 5:30 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    Killfiles are only good for pretending you have control over someone
    else. You will still see their messages in someone else's reply.
    Might as well killfile everyone but yourself!

    The goal is not to control anyone, they can post whatever they want.

    There are so many posters that add no value to a newsgroup, or that are pathological liars, that to have those posts filling up the screen and
    having to scroll through them to find anything of value, is a waste of time.

    Yes, if someone follows up to someone in the filter list then I'd still
    see their reply, but the reality is often that filtered people are all
    only replying to each other.

    When a long off-topic thread starts up, I can filter by subject.

    I've build up Thunderbird filter lists over many years and I transfer
    the profile to new computers. I also share it to help others clean up
    their newsgroups.

    You can see my shared filter list for this group at <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WPGXgOjUHPDwWzFQ444zMfvciUfFLTsC6p7vk5IuPmE>

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Oct 18 08:50:43 2024
    On 10/18/2024 8:34 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    You can delete all those and start again. 90% of them aren’t here anymore.

    True, but I don't know when they've left. It doesn't hurt anything to
    leave them there.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Oct 18 19:50:49 2024
    On 18.10.24 08:30, badgolferman wrote:
    Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    And you are in everyone's killfilter anyway. I can see you only
    because I'm servicing my filter sets.


    Killfiles are only good for pretending you have control over someone
    else. You will still see their messages in someone else's reply.
    Might as well killfile everyone but yourself!

    No. You do not understand how a killfile with suppression of subthreads
    in TB work at all.

    --
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