• iPhone battery questions...

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 14 21:33:55 2024
    Hello,

    1. How come iOS doesn't automatically tell users of the battery health
    going under 80%? I never saw them in both old iPhone 11 Pro Max and 12
    mini.

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so far
    and how long between?

    3. How low did you let your iPhone's battery health go before replacing
    it?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jun 14 21:45:29 2024
    On 2024-06-14, Ant <[email protected]> wrote:
    Hello,

    1. How come iOS doesn't automatically tell users of the battery health
    going under 80%? I never saw them in both old iPhone 11 Pro Max and 12
    mini.

    Why should it? It's not like the device suddenly bursts into flames or
    becomes unusable. The fact that it occurred without you even noticing
    says it all. You're looking for a problem where there is none. People
    are already irrationally obsessed with their battery health - adding
    such a notification would actually be detrimental to the user
    experience. Relax and enjoy your iPhone. Leave the babysitting up to
    Apple.

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so
    far and how long between?

    Rarely. Several years (5-7).

    3. How low did you let your iPhone's battery health go before
    replacing it?

    As a rational adult, I don't let the battery health estimate (and yes,
    it's only an estimate and nothing more) dictate when I replace
    batteries. When my battery actually needs to be replaced, I know about
    it from the symptoms of an aged / dying battery. I don't need a battery
    health estimate to tell me that.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Any time. Sorry it's not what you're looking for. (Well, not really
    sorry.)

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Jun 15 02:13:10 2024
    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 Jun 2024 21:45:29 GMT :

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so
    far and how long between?

    Rarely. Several years (5-7).

    There is no iPhone with a modern-sized battery, period.

    We don't know why Apple cheaped out on batteries, but there are none that
    have anywhere near the size most modern Android batteries are.

    What this means is that the iPhone will always die sooner due to the
    battery health, assuming two devices used equally but with one using the
    cheap Apple crap batteries and the other using a modern capacity battery.

    Having said that, I'm well aware the uneducated Apple religious zealots
    will claim that Apple alone has magical battery chemistry that somehow
    doubles battery capacity without actually doing anything to battery
    capacity.

    But the fact is, Apple puts horridly crappy batteries in the iPhone.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Jun 15 02:15:41 2024
    Chris wrote on Fri, 14 Jun 2024 22:09:03 -0000 (UTC) :

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so far
    and how long between?

    Never

    If you're charging your phone nightly, it's an iPhone.
    Most modern Android batteries are so huge they last for days.

    And the charger that came in the box. Yes, that charger. The free one.
    It charges the Android battery back to full in about an hour or two.

    If that has not been your experience, then you're not on Android.
    You have the cheap iPhone batteries which are crap in terms of capacity.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jun 15 05:55:20 2024
    On 14.06.24 23:33, Ant wrote:
    Hello,

    1. How come iOS doesn't automatically tell users of the battery health
    going under 80%? I never saw them in both old iPhone 11 Pro Max and 12
    mini.

    Because this is not a killer criterion for anything?

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so far
    and how long between?

    Never. Even my wife's SE2020 which she has for three years now is still
    at 86%.

    3. How low did you let your iPhone's battery health go before replacing
    it?

    Not relevant because of 2.


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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat Jun 15 04:12:57 2024
    On 2024-06-15, Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 Jun 2024 21:45:29 GMT :

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so
    far and how long between?

    Rarely. Several years (5-7).

    There is no iPhone with a modern-sized battery

    Go troll play in the street, Arlen. The adults are talking.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Jun 14 22:26:58 2024
    On 2024-06-14 19:15, Andrew wrote:
    Chris wrote on Fri, 14 Jun 2024 22:09:03 -0000 (UTC) :

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so far
    and how long between?

    Never

    If you're charging your phone nightly, it's an iPhone.
    Most modern Android batteries are so huge they last for days.

    And now, facts:

    Asus ROG Phone 8 Pro: 18:48
    OnePlus 12R: 18:42
    Asus ROG Phone 7 Ultimate: 18:32
    Asus Zenfone 11 Ultra: 17:52
    OnePlus 12: 17:41
    Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra: 16:45
    Samsung Galaxy S24 Plus: 16:32
    Motorola Edge Plus (2023): 15:47
    Moto G Stylus 5G (2024): 15:01
    Nothing Phone 2a: 15:00
    Moto G 5G (2024): 14:36
    Nothing Phone 2: 14:21
    iPhone 15 Plus: 14:14
    iPhone 15 Pro Max: 14:02
    Samsung Galaxy S24: 13:28

    <https://www.tomsguide.com/us/smartphones-best-battery-life,review-2857.html>

    Precisely 12 "modern Android" phones out-lasted the best iPhone.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Jun 14 22:22:53 2024
    On 2024-06-14 19:13, Andrew wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 Jun 2024 21:45:29 GMT :

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so
    far and how long between?

    Rarely. Several years (5-7).

    There is no iPhone with a modern-sized battery, period.

    Battery size is determined by how long a device can operate.


    We don't know why Apple cheaped out on batteries, but there are none that have anywhere near the size most modern Android batteries are.

    Battery size is determined by how long a device can operate.

    What this means is that the iPhone will always die sooner due to the
    battery health, assuming two devices used equally but with one using the cheap Apple crap batteries and the other using a modern capacity battery.

    Battery size is determined by how long a device can operate.

    Having said that, I'm well aware the uneducated Apple religious zealots
    will claim that Apple alone has magical battery chemistry that somehow doubles battery capacity without actually doing anything to battery
    capacity.

    Battery size is determined by how long a device can operate.

    But the fact is, Apple puts horridly crappy batteries in the iPhone.

    Battery size is determined by how long a device can operate.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Jun 15 13:39:41 2024
    Chris wrote on Sat, 15 Jun 2024 09:05:20 -0000 (UTC) :

    Unsurprising as most have much larger batteries. If you compare
    efficiencies the difference is much smaller e.g.

    Chris,

    Alan Baker has zero education, let alone knowledge of battery chemistry.
    Alan Baker has absolutely no concept of what battery life actually means.

    The fact remains that the single most important determinant of overall
    battery life (I'm talking years, not hours) is the battery capacity.

    The fact remains that the iPhone uses cheap substandard capacity batteries.
    All the bullshit marketing in the world doesn't change that physical fact.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Jun 15 13:34:23 2024
    Jolly Roger wrote on 15 Jun 2024 04:12:57 GMT :

    The adults are talking.

    The fact is that the iPhone uses cheap crappy low-capacity batteries.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat Jun 15 09:33:26 2024
    On 2024-06-15 06:39, Andrew wrote:
    Chris wrote on Sat, 15 Jun 2024 09:05:20 -0000 (UTC) :

    Unsurprising as most have much larger batteries. If you compare
    efficiencies the difference is much smaller e.g.

    Chris,

    Alan Baker has zero education, let alone knowledge of battery chemistry.
    Alan Baker has absolutely no concept of what battery life actually means.

    The fact remains that the single most important determinant of overall battery life (I'm talking years, not hours) is the battery capacity.

    False.

    Battery draw is exactly as important as battery capacity.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Jun 15 10:00:53 2024
    On 2024-06-15 09:17, Chris wrote:
    Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:
    Chris wrote on Sat, 15 Jun 2024 09:05:20 -0000 (UTC) :

    Unsurprising as most have much larger batteries. If you compare
    efficiencies the difference is much smaller e.g.

    Chris,

    Alan Baker has zero education, let alone knowledge of battery chemistry.
    Alan Baker has absolutely no concept of what battery life actually means.

    Interesting that you chose to attack Alan rather that address the point.

    Clearly that means you have no argument against what he (and I) said.

    The fact remains that the single most important determinant of overall
    battery life (I'm talking years, not hours) is the battery capacity.

    Are you going for a record of the most wrong things stated in a week?
    You're doing great. Carry on!

    The fact remains that the iPhone uses cheap substandard capacity batteries.

    Not a fact.




    What's particularly hilarious is that Andrew/Arlen doesn't actually
    understand what the word "battery" means and how that relates to the
    term "battery capacity".

    Please reply to this so we can here him rage some more.

    ;-)

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jun 15 17:59:37 2024
    On 2024-06-14 17:33, Ant wrote:
    Hello,

    1. How come iOS doesn't automatically tell users of the battery health
    going under 80%? I never saw them in both old iPhone 11 Pro Max and 12
    mini.

    Because it generally takes years to get to that point - why waste (and
    have to test and maintain) code for such low priority function?

    When the phone stops lasting long on a charge - just check the health.

    2. How many times have you changed your batteries in each iPhone so far
    and how long between?

    Only on the iPhone 6+ - don't recall how deep in it was.

    iPhone 11: 4.5 years old, 90% per the Batt health (and has been there
    for quite a while).


    3. How low did you let your iPhone's battery health go before replacing
    it?

    WTFC? It's not like it's going to help anyone else.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    I already regret reading and replying.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jun 15 18:08:49 2024
    On 2024-06-15 12:33, Alan wrote:

    Battery draw is exactly as important as battery capacity.

    It doesn't understand why gas guzzler cars have larger gas tanks than
    efficient cars either.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Jun 16 17:47:26 2024
    Chris wrote on Sat, 15 Jun 2024 16:17:37 -0000 (UTC) :

    Alan Baker has zero education, let alone knowledge of battery chemistry.
    Alan Baker has absolutely no concept of what battery life actually means.

    Interesting that you chose to attack Alan rather that address the point.

    Ah, but I did. You missed all the facts.

    Interesting you missed that I _did_ address _exactly_ the point of battery
    life (in years, not hours) and that you missed that I addressed that point.

    All you understood was my comment that Alan Baker, Jolly Roger & Alan
    Browne are such morons that they do not understand that battery capacity is
    the single largest determinant of battery life (in years, not hours).

    Clearly that means you have no argument against what he (and I) said.

    While I get that you're literally desperate to find a flaw in the science
    that the battery life (in years, not hours) is determined mostly by the
    battery capacity, since you don't understand the science, you can be
    forgiven for being ignorant of that fact.

    Yes, I realize you claim a PhD in the medical sciences, but the fact you
    know nothing about battery chemistry tells me you lied about that degree.



    The fact remains that the single most important determinant of overall
    battery life (I'm talking years, not hours) is the battery capacity.

    Are you going for a record of the most wrong things stated in a week?
    You're doing great. Carry on!

    The fact you are ignorant of all facts about battery chemistry does not
    make the simple fact that the battery capacity being the single largest determinant of overall battery life (in years, not hours) wrong.

    It just means you are ignorant of battery chemistry fact.


    The fact remains that the iPhone uses cheap substandard capacity batteries.

    Not a fact.

    Only a fool denies facts, Chris. Hence, you are a fool.

    Because it is a fact. The fact you deny this well-known fact is actually
    proof of your desperation to deny all things you hate about Apple products.

    Show me a single iPhone that has a batter larger than my free Android for example, which as you well know is a January 2021 Galaxy A32-5G (5Ah).

    And that's not even a big battery in terms of Android battery capacities.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Jun 16 17:54:36 2024
    Alan Browne wrote on Sat, 15 Jun 2024 17:59:37 -0400 :

    Because it generally takes years to get to that point - why waste (and
    have to test and maintain) code for such low priority function?

    The main reason Apple puts el cheapo substandard batteries in the iPhone is that Apple designed in early failure of the iPhone years before their time.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jun 17 09:48:04 2024
    On 2024-06-17 04:07, Chris wrote:
    Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:
    Chris wrote on Sat, 15 Jun 2024 16:17:37 -0000 (UTC) :

    Alan Baker has zero education, let alone knowledge of battery chemistry. >>>> Alan Baker has absolutely no concept of what battery life actually means. >>>
    Interesting that you chose to attack Alan rather that address the point.

    Ah, but I did. You missed all the facts.

    Interesting you missed that I _did_ address _exactly_ the point of battery >> life (in years, not hours) and that you missed that I addressed that point.

    You did not...

    Show me a single iPhone that has a batter larger than my free Android for
    example, which as you well know is a January 2021 Galaxy A32-5G (5Ah).

    And that's not even a big battery in terms of Android battery capacities.

    ...and here's proof.

    Battery capacity is only one of several aspects that influences battery longevity. At any scale.




    Andrew is so ignorant that he doesn't realize that a device which uses (arguendo) 4 AAA cells in parallel inside a battery to operate a device
    which uses x watts will have precisely the same run time as a device
    which as 2 AAA cells in parallel and which draws x/2 watts.

    Run time: the same.

    Assuming a sufficiently larger charger, charge time: the same.

    Battery life: ...

    ...the same.

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